<p>PosterX should get a life because we all know yale sucks--- and I know cause my sister went there. She got mugged twice in a year. </p>
<p>AND yale is OBVIOUSLY decreasing in status seeing as it's the only Ivy to see a drop in applications. Oh by the way... did I mention that Yale's apps decreased by 10%??? Damn, talk about a slippery slope.</p>
<p>I'd go to Wharton/Columbia over Yale anyday.</p>
<p>Wow posterx, you have a lot of time on your hands and an obvious need to criticize others in an attempt to feel better about yourself....analyze that why don't you.</p>
<p>Let's analyze that, truazn. I'm sorry you seem to hate Yale so much - but keep in mind that "sucks" isn't a word that's really allowed on this discussion board. In any case, applications to Yale dropped this year because it was by far the most selective college in the country last year. People were just readjusting their expectations. The fact is, even after the small readjustment/decrease in number of apps this year, Yale still gets more applications per spot in the class than any other Ivy. If you look over a period of several years, applications to Yale have increased much more rapidly than applications to any other Ivy League School. So I wouldn't be surprised if applications dropped again, considering that it is arguably the hardest college in the country to get into still. I'm not affiliated with Yale, I'm just pointing out the facts. Now let's get back to the subject on this thread.</p>
<p>You're not affiliated with Yale? And yet you spend so much time rah-rah-ing it?</p>
<p>This is a new level of sad.</p>
<p>And mr posterx, what is your period of 'several years?' In the last decade the most spectacular growth in applications has come from Penn--how else could they go from an acceptance rate of 45% to 15%? As you seem to have plenty of time on your hands, you can crunch the numbers yourself.</p>
<p>The point of the thread of course was that Penn has a crime problem. Wow, and here I was thinking it was bucolic utopia when I applied...It's no secret that John Street is an embarrassment to Philadelphia and loathed by most, which is why the most 'anti-Street' candidate won the Dem primaries handily (Nutter, a Penn alum no less).</p>
<p>Frankly I'd rather have Philadelphia and its crime (which thanks to the inevitable election of Michael Nutter, a penn alum of course, will surely decrease). Crime is much easier to fix than the eternal mediocrity and terminal insignificance that hangs over New Haven.</p>
<p>Lol. Truly, it's quite sad. PosterX is another example of the "college fanboy" - the main source of problems on this board.</p>
<p>Mediocrity and insigificance? Should people living in glass houses throw stones?</p>
<p>Patents per capita (U.S. Patent and Trademark Office, Technology Assessment and Forecast data base, as reported in <a href="http://www.metrocouncil.org/metroarea/econp-4-00/ep-4-00.htm%5B/url%5D">http://www.metrocouncil.org/metroarea/econp-4-00/ep-4-00.htm</a>)</p>
<ol>
<li>San Jose (Silicon Valley) CA: 20</li>
<li>New Haven CT: 15</li>
<li>Rochester NY: 12</li>
<li>Austin TX: 8</li>
<li>Middlesex NJ: 8</li>
<li>San Francisco CA: 7</li>
<li>Minneapolis MN: 6</li>
<li>Boston MA: 5</li>
<li>San Diego CA: 5
(gap with a number of other cities)
Detroit MI: 4
Philadelphia PA: 3</li>
</ol>
<hr>
<p>Per Capita Incomes in 2001 - U.S. Department of Commerce Bureau of
Economic Analysis</p>
<p>United States Average $30,413</p>
<p>Top 5 wealthiest urban areas in the U.S.:</p>
<ol>
<li>San Francisco, CA 57,714</li>
<li>San Jose, CA 51,579 (Silicon Valley)</li>
<li>New Haven, CT 48,453</li>
<li>Bergen-Passaic, NJ 43,856</li>
<li>West Palm Beach-Boca Raton, FL 43,626</li>
</ol>
<p>Other selected Northeastern/Mid-Atlantic urban areas:</p>
<p>Washington, DC-MD-VA-WV 41,754
New York City, NY 40,949
Boston, MA 39,873
Philadelphia, PA 33,750
Providence, RI 29,824</p>
<p>Of course per capita things are going to make New Haven look good. Philadelphia is several times the size.</p>
<p>Who else do you think is filing for those patents in New Haven? Toads?</p>
<p>I'd love to find anyone who (temporary aberration of crime rate aside) would consider New Haven a more vibrant and attractive city than Philadelphia.</p>
<p>Jonny, obviously the people with money do. Given that the per capita income is $48K in the New Haven urban area versus just $34K in the Philadelphia urban area. Perhaps you have never seen the multi-million dollar mansions or downtown luxury condos around New Haven. Also, the restaurant scene in New Haven puts Philadelphia to shame, unless you like those revolting cheesesteak things (and even if you do, NYC has better cheesesteaks than Philly). The New York Times, Wine Spectator and Esquire all separately named New Haven's Ibiza, for example, the best Spanish restaurant in the United States.</p>
<p>PosterX - you're using a rigged yardstick - comparing Philadelphia city with the area "around New Haven". Philadelphia has plenty of multi-million $ mansions - have you ever heard of the Main Line? For historic reasons, many of Philadelphia's nearby suburbs are not within its jurisdiction - some are in another state (NJ). A downtown core is not the best place to put a modern research center (where patents come from) but Philadelphia is ringed by hi-tech research campuses, especially in the pharmaceutical industry.</p>
<p>It's obvious from your assessment of the restaurant scene that you are not an objective observer - no one sane would compare the New Haven restaurant scene with what is available in Phila and pronounce NH the winner, even though you do have one decent restaurant. Next thing you will tell us the sky is bluer in NH, water tastes better, etc. You should have quit while you were ahead - Yale has a lot to offer (the right kind of weird person who would want to attend) but no one in their right mind goes to Yale BECAUSE of NH - they go in spite of it.</p>
<p>
FYI, Philly's Center City has had an incredible luxury condo building boom (new and rehab) in the past decade, still going strong. In fact, it now has the second most populous downtown population in the country (after New York). Literally thousands of new condos have been or are being built in Center City, with several 30+ and 40+ story buildings featuring condos selling for several million dollars each.</p>
<p>And in terms of restaurants, check out Gourmet Magazine's recent list of the top 50 restaurants in the US:</p>
<p>I count 2 in Philly, and 0 in New Haven. But maybe I'm missing one? Tens of thousands of multi-millionaires wouldn't be moving into Philly if it didn't have a great restaurant scene, and in fact Philly's so-called second "Restaurant Renaissance" (the first was in the '70s and '80s) has been garnering lots of national press.</p>
<p>PosterX is on tow payrolls, one with Yale and one with New Haven Tourist Association. So technicly, he's affiliated with Yale.</p>
<p>No, I'm not on Yale or New Haven's payroll. Yes it is true that both cities have had somewhat of a downtown rebirth in recent years in terms of luxury apartments. Of course, Yale is right downtown while UPenn is in a marginal neighborhood about a mile away from it, which is a major difference. The main differences though, are outside of downtown - New Haven is doing pretty well in many different "yuppified" and middle-class neighborhoods, while Philadelphia still has 60,000 empty lots (more vacant buildings than the rest of the East Coast combined, and even more than Detroit) and over 150 murders so far this year. New Haven has had just one and vacant buildings are quite rare. My comparisons above don't compare Philadelphia city with New Haven "area". They compare both urban areas on an equal basis, using the "by-the-book" Census Bureau or US Bureau of Economic Analysis measures of each urban area. I've cited the sources many times before. This includes the central city as well as immediately surrounding communities which, if they were located anywhere outside the Northeast (which is the only area of the U.S. with confusing government boundaries because it dates from the 1700s), would also technically be part of the central municipal boundaries.</p>
<p>"Of course per capita things are going to make New Haven look good." That's how you compare cities or countries -- it's the amount of money available per person. Luxembourg and Switzerland aren't considered to be the wealthiest countries in the world just because they are small. The United States is one of the top five wealthiest countries, but it is huge. I mean, look at Lesotho or Swaziland for the opposite effect.</p>
<p>Honestly, both cities have great restaurant scenes, but having spent time in both places recently, I would give the edge to New Haven. If you had asked me 5 years ago, obviously Philadelphia would have won out. But if you go to New Haven now on a weekend evening, the place is packed with crowds so thick with wealthy restaurant patrons that they have to literally close off some streets, since there are literally about 150 places to eat within a few blocks of the central town square. Many of the restaurants there, however, are way too new to make a publication like Gourmet Magazine. Almost all the good restaurants there have opened in about the past 5 or 6 years, or even more recently. This is an outdated review: <a href="http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/articles/A60902-2004Jan7.html%5B/url%5D">http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/articles/A60902-2004Jan7.html</a> ... which doesn't even mention half of the new restaurants that have opened in that city since 2000. Philly has some great places but a lot of the places considered to be the best are somewhat "hyped-up" by the media because it is such a large city.</p>
<p>About those blue skies. It's not nearly as bad as Los Angeles IMHO, but Forbes says Philadelphia consists of a "yellow haze." A more impartial source than the Forbes writers, perhaps: <a href="http://www.blurtit.com/q516647.html%5B/url%5D">http://www.blurtit.com/q516647.html</a></p>
<p>^You have way too much free time. Get a life. Get a girl. Do something fun or productive with your time.</p>
<p>I'd love for you to ask any NY Times food reporter to say which is a better restaurant city. Or a better city. Or even a city, period.</p>
<p>Given that the area with the most empty lots (north philadelphia) is farther away from Penn than the entire length of New Haven, it is not really a valid comparison (Philadelphia is sadly a true microcosm of faux-populist windbag john edwards' "two americas" as one part of philadelphia is booming in development, jobs, etc and one remains the epitome of urban decline. While unfortunate, it should be noticed that this place is literally and figuratively miles away from Penn)</p>
<p>Nor is per capita measurement appropriate when it comes to arcane measurements like 'patents per capita.' Everyone needs an income. Not everyone needs to be filing patents (though two of my Penn friends have).</p>
<p>New Haven's population is, as of the US 2000 census, 123,626. Philadelphia's is 1,455,807. That would mean New Haven (read: Yale) would need to churn out less than 1 TENTH of the patents Philadelphia would need to. New Haven's economy is lopsided towards academia/research (which is what you'd expect from a city where a university is the only real game in town). Philadelphia, meanwhile, has its capita divided up into academia/research, financial services, law firms, various federal agencies, 7 Fortune 500 Companies (which is 6-8 more than New Haven), and they are not in the business of applying for patents.</p>
<p>It's going to take someone with better arguments than this to get into Yale...</p>
<p>Johnny - the places where people are getting killed are figuratively miles away but literally speaking they are really quite close - a 3 mile circle around the BF statue would take in most of them - a 15 minute bike ride, if you dared ride your bike onto some of those blocks. That same 3 mile circle of course, would also take in all those multi-million $ condos and billion $ office skyscrapers - it's always been the nature of great cities, from Roman times onward, thru Victorian London and modern day Mumbai, that the very rich and the very poor and the middle class all get to rub elbows with each other on the street. Usually (but not always - like the purse snatching that started this thread) people respect the invisible fence that keeps the social classes separate - in a way what's surprising isn't the amount of crime on campus but that it's not the LA riots every day of the week. But usually the center does hold, not in small part due to the huge amount of $ that Penn spends on security which makes it so that Penn is both a huge temptation to the have-nothings on the other side of 40th St. but also a huge risk of getting caught vs. the rest of Philly where the Philly cops are much less present and there isn't a camera and a blue light phone on every lamp post.</p>
<p>i'm with venkz. </p>
<p>but thanks for the, um, input.</p>
<p>I guess my name is venkz now...</p>
<p>And why does it seem like Penn and WashU get bashed so much on CC? Do people think that the quality of a college is static since the mid 80s?</p>
<p>Yes, because it makes thinking easier and doesn't upset the settled beneficiaries of the status quo.</p>
<p>i like venkz; sounds hip.
haha</p>