<p>Does anyone ever look around at their peers and wonder how people so stupid are in college?</p>
<p>Maybe the problem is I am at the wrong school, I go to UNCC and they have accepted pretty much everyone in an effort to expand the school, but whenever I look at some of the people I am surrounded by at my school, I see major underachieving students. Kids just drink and party and I barely see anybody put much effort towards school. Kids in easy majors seem to average 2.5 GPA. This blows my mind because I would have to try to fail to do as bad as some of these kids.</p>
<p>Don't get me wrong, there are a lot of very bright minds here and I am friends with many them. I have noticed that science based majors engineering and computer science have great students but that is a very small part of the population. Most of the kids have absolutely no sense of priorities and they seem to not even care that most of them will not graduate in 4 years. </p>
<p>Am i full of myself? Maybe. I just have a low tolerance of people I perceive to be stupid. I can't believe colleges allow greek life to continue when they are just organizations that pretty much promote casual sex, underage drinking and drugs. </p>
<p>Now before I get my head bitten off by some intelligent frat boy/sorority girl let me just say that I realize that I generalized greek life, but there is no way that you can argue that the majority of people don't follow the typical frat ******/sorostitute.</p>
<p>Thanks for anyone that actually read my rant; I think I am just frustrated that I am at a school where I dont feel like I fit in very well.</p>
<p>I’m not even part of Greek life (that **** is too expensive for me), but I know that not all Greek organizations are about casual sex, underage drinking, and drugs. Professional Greek organizations like the pre-med, pre-law, pre-engineering, etc. ones prohibit those kinds of activity in order to maintain their professional status. All the professional Greek organizations also have a set GPA standard too–one of the pre-health organizations at my school requires a 3.5 GPA to even be considered eligible for an interview during Rush Week before the biddings begin! Social Greek organizations may be like that, yes, but not professional ones. </p>
<p>Also, those people may not necessarily be stupid (though if they are always skipping classes and don’t study or do schoolwork if there are any assigned, then yeah, that’s just stupid and a waste of money). They could just be having a hard time grasping concepts the first time, or even have a documented learning disorder that prevents them from learning at the same rate as their peers! They also might have come from a high school that didn’t prepare them well in certain subjects like chemistry. Should they be deprived of a college experience because they don’t learn at the same rate as their peers/have a learning disability? No! Science majors can also put in all their efforts (going to office hours, asking questions, studying both alone and in a group, going to review sessions, etc), but still only end up with, say, a 2.5 GPA.</p>
<p>You’re completely mistaking me. I have all the respect in the world for people who atleast try hard. Also I would absolutely love to have that pre health frat at my school. I’ve never even heard of a frat like that except the engineering frat at where I am.</p>
<p>As it just so happens, I am currently deciding on whether to attend Appalachian State or UNCC. As a UNCC student, is there anything you could say to sway my opionion of the school (for the better OR worse)?</p>
<p>I’m pretty sure it is just due to the lack of selectivity at your school. The average UNCC applicant had a HSwGPA of 3.5 (To people outside NC: HSwGPAs in NC can get to ridiculously stratospheric heights, where weighted of 4.0s will not even put you in the top 20%) and a CR+M SAT of 1060, which is pretty much akin to the average high school. The more serious kids are likely at more selective institutions such as NCSU, UNC-CH, WFU, Davidson, and Duke.</p>
<p>It definitely sounds to me like you are not at the right school for you. Is this your first year? You might want to consider applying to several more selective colleges in hopes that you could transfer. Why waste your time at a college that isn’t a good match for you.</p>
<p>@blue that’s funny because that i was dead set on going to app state but my mom wouldn’t let me go there. Uncc’s education is actually great and I’d say its even better than app but the social life here really sucks. No school spirit, school is ruled by dumbass frat boys… Basically the opposite of what App is. Basically it comes down to this, if you’re social but don’t want to be in Greek life, then go to app. If you’re antisocial or want to do Greek life, Charlotte is great. </p>
<p>Also I feel pretty much stuck here. I am doing premed and if I transfer, I would have to transfer my junior year. Now that gives me only a single year to build relationships before I apply to medical school. I think I’ll just have to tough it out here; I was hoping it would get better as some of the stupider kids drop out and my higher level science classes will be a haven from the underachieving students. I am really hoping its just freshman year</p>
<p>@Afujiwa3:
From what I’ve heard, whether you will find the lower students in higher-level courses depends on whether the institution has a “weeding-out” philosophy, or whether they are notorious for inflating grades/dumbing down content for the sake of retaining students. Since UNCC is a public non-profit institution, I’d believe there would be more weeding-out than inflating grades.</p>
<p>Lower level science courses tend to scare away the less serious students. Because of the sequenced prerequisite nature of science courses, the introductory ones automatically have a “weeding” effect.</p>
<p>Fugi-What are you learning in college besides a little math and science? Are you learning about how to get along with people? Can you carry a conversation? Will you be able to sell yourself when interviwing for a job? Let’s say you invent something truly great. Will you have the ability to knock on doors and look for investors to start your own business? If you can get a business off the ground will you be able to motivate your employees or will you simply call them dumb and lazy? There’s a lot of things to learn in college, The easiest of which is what you learn in a classroom. GL.</p>
<p>A good quote that I think summarizes OP’s predicament: “If you meet an ******* in the morning, you met an ***<strong><em>. If you meet </em></strong><strong><em>s all day, you’re the </em></strong>.”</p>
<p>@soso okay maybe i overly exaggerated how bad it is. I have a pretty large friend group and I am nowhere near as antisocial as I sound. Lately, Ive been hanging more with my teammates at my MMA gym since they are a lot older and they have gotten past that whole immature phase</p>
<p>@obama I’m not saying i am knee deep in <strong><em>bags since I do meet some genuinely cool people. Just the proportion of cool:</em></strong> is pretty bad where Im at. I did think for a while maybe it was just me, but i talked to a few of my friends that transferred to NCSU and UNC from where i am and they talked about how much better it is over there.
I like the very subtle way you called me an *******</p>
<p>Some of those so-called ‘stupid people’ and ‘dumbass frat boys’ might become your bosses or superiors one day. Can’t wait to see your face then. Life isn’t all about academics or grades, sometimes those other life skills (conversational skills, networking, tolerance, peer interactions) mean more</p>
<p>I’m not saying life is only about academics, but my argument is there is absolutely nothing productive about partying half the week, except maybe a morale boost. My issue is when people completely forfeit their academic life and party non stop. It’s not my business unless these are the people that are always drunk in the lobbies doing dumb **** or making it impossible to park my car because there are ambulances at my dorm every Thursday, Friday and Saturday night. It just makes me think why they are here. </p>
<p>Also I’m a premed student so it really is all about academics for me right now. The difference is in my free time I am getting that extra bit of studying in, training mma, or volunteering instead of getting **** faced.</p>
<p>I hate to sound like “that guy,” but I do agree with this in a big way. I’m in a community college right now, and I’d imagine that this is even worse here. Granted there are a lot of very bright, very intelligent people here, but I see a lot of people that really just don’t care too. There are at least a few people in each of my classes that are only there about half the time…they never study, and are never prepared for the tests. They miss most of the lecture material, and in several of my classes, the lecture is vastly more important than the reading. </p>
<p>Some of the people in my chemistry and math classes should probably get bumped down a few classes lower, because they just don’t seem to have a handle on even the most basic concepts of the class. I made the mistake of telling my entire math class that I was forming a study group, and now the day before test day I have half the class showing up, which inevitable turns into me running around the table helping everyone. The regulars that I study with every time this group meets though are the people that genuinely care about it. A few of the people that are regulars in my study group aren’t necessarily the strongest students, but they put a lot of effort into it, and genuinely care about their grades. I don’t mind helping people when they’re willing to help themselves…but if you’re just there to try and learn an entire chapters worth of material in a couple hours right before the test, then I’m not really interested in helping you. I have better ways of spending my time.</p>
<p>I don’t understand why people would even be in college if they don’t care about their education. I sometimes resent the “everyone should get a college education” idea that is so common these days. Showing up for a study group that you aren’t prepared for, when you’re still hungover from last nights binge drinking is NOT a constructive way to study.</p>
Professional Greek organizations like the pre-med, pre-law, pre-engineering, etc. ones prohibit those kinds of activity in order to maintain their professional status. All the professional Greek organizations also have a set GPA standard too–one of the pre-health organizations at my school requires a 3.5 GPA to even be considered eligible for an interview during Rush Week before the biddings begin! Social Greek organizations may be like that, yes, but not professional ones. </p>