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<p>“I have 3 good friends at Berkeley at this point in time and they were all rejected outright from Duke.
I wonder if this is out of arrogance, because I fail to see how this piece of information is helpful.”</p>

<p>This is true of many colleges. I know for sure the Sternies are sneered at by others as Wharton rejects. But the truth of the matter the Prestige of the school has to be seen with respect to the strength and variety of program, the location, the opportunity, the work/life balance/ the weather, the amenities, the faculty, the diversity-- it is the whole package . One size does not fit all.</p>

<p>Oh yes, arrogance is big part of it and the prestige and the fallacy that if one gets there one acquires that prestige forgetting prestige has to be earned. Also one forgets that people who apply to all these colleges do not necessarily qualify for it, just do it for the “heck” of it or to please their parents or to "belong’ to a peer group, my D for eg. applied and did not make it and it is OK, because her reasons for applying were not hers to begin with, but she was in the competitive category, definitely not a ‘nerd’ but…</p>

<p>And I know of people who have made it to Wharton and opted for Stern, even when it was not even on their radar at the time of applying. A casual visit and it changed their perspective of a school completely.</p>

<p>There is a brilliant and hardworking student, now a junior at Stern, who didn’t receive that attractive of an aid package and bears the full, sole financial responsibility for his $60k+ tuition with awesome credentials- Profile: 4.0 high school GPA, 99th% SAT, Wharton accepted. And he tells his story on NYU thread and I quote…</p>

<p>" Coming here was kind of a fluke. This was my blind safety, in that I knew nothing about Stern other than it’s (then) 4th-place ranking. I was applying Wharton and a few others and Stern was barely a blip on my radar.</p>

<p>I’m from Pennsylvania. More specifically, the wrong part of Philadelphia. :slight_smile: It’s incredibly challenging to get into UPenn at all if you’re from PA, simply because (when I applied) 32% of their student body was from PA. I was waitlisted into Wharton. </p>

<p>Of Stern, I knew nothing about it at all, so I attended the optional summer orientation they held in early June. I was immediately struck with how serious everything was, and how markedly different New York was from anything I’d ever experienced.</p>

<p>We don’t have a campus; it’s an entirely different experience. You’re essentially living the lifestyle you’ll have forevermore as an independent adult on your own, responsible for yourself within a bustling city. Not everyone can cope with that, but it’s both an incredibly liberating and maturing experience for sure. </p>

<p>In the end, that was what convinced me that I wanted whatever-that-was over Wharton, regardless of how much research, energy, and thought I’d put into UPenn. Prior to that orientation, I simply figured I’d throw the deposit money at Stern and take Wharton when they accepted me. Wharton accepted me subsequently, yet I declined."</p>

<p>The point I am making is arrogance will not get one anywhere, it is what you do with with the opportunities and whether you 'FIT" in and how you go about adapting yourself to fit in will work in the end. It can be ‘Timbukto’ for all one cares. If one cannot be humble then the whole point of education is zero.</p>

<p>@tryingforcollege I’m not Framed, but I know Framed IRL- he introduced me to Collegeconfidential and gave me access to his account as long as I didn’t post anything.</p>

<p>Recently I created my own account, so I could post. That mis-post was me on Framed’s account having logged in without really thinking. I realized I’d made a mistake, deleted my post and told him about it. </p>

<p>Hope that clears things up. I actually don’t have the time to create two CC account and “double dip”, especially with exams in under a month :P.</p>

<p>yeahimthatguy if you think that Haas is a better business school than Columbia and Booth, you are sadly mistaken and slightly delusional.Here are some statistics to back up my claim of Duke being a far superior undergraduate institution, look at the number of Rhodes, Marshall, Truman and Goldwater scholars produced by Berkeley and Duke respectively. Look at average SAT scores of the incoming class. Look at student to faculty ratios, glance at endowment figures (both absolute as well as per capita). Look at USNews historical ranking of undergrad universities since its inception. Look at the Wall Street Journal’s ranking of top feeder schools. Take note of the med school acceptance rates. Look at cross admit data, and then after you have done all these things, come back and tell me with a straight face that you believe Berkeley is a better undergrad university than Duke. Also Duke wins more than 75% of cross admits with CMU and Cornell, so think twice before asserting that they are better schools. Berkeley is a great grad school, but pales in comparison to Duke and the ivies in its capacity as an undergraduate institution. On a slightly less confrontational note, I hope you’re having a great time at Berkeley :slight_smile: PS my friends are performing exceedingly well, they are just frustrated with the ludicrous class sizes and red tape that inevitably accompanies a Berkeley education. OP, if you think Berkeley is a better fit, by all means attend. You cant go wrong with either school. However, I hope you realize what it means to be accepted by Duke, and make use of the valuable opportunity provided by the admissions committee.</p>

<p>I’m planing to send in my deposit to Duke this weekend. Thank you so much for the advice, I honestly wouldn’t have been able to make a decision (by myself) without this thread :). My parents/ friends all suggesting different things based on “gut feeling”.</p>

<p>I was using this this:</p>

<p>[School</a> Rankings by College Major – Job Recruiter Top Picks - WSJ.com](<a href=“School Rankings by College Major – Job Recruiter Top Picks - WSJ”>School Rankings by College Major – Job Recruiter Top Picks - WSJ) </p>

<p>Seeing CMU and Berkeley above Duke just added to my confusion. Ofc it is a grad school ranking, but I’m sure there is a positive relationship between good grad schools in a particular subject area and strong undergrad programs in the same area.</p>

<p>Yes Hyaline I agree with the premise, however, I believe that you are making the right decision for the simple reason that the rank of your proposed major matters far less than the overall rank of the institution when it comes to undergrad studies. Furthermore, Duke really has an outstanding alumni network in the business capitals of the world. I’m glad that you decided to commit to Duke. Be prepared to embark on the adventure of a lifetime :)</p>

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<p>I never said Columbia and Booth. I said as compared to Duke. And I hold my ground. (Read on for statistics to back up my claim)</p>

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<p>The key being the degree of superiority that you claim to assert.
I could pull up far shinier statistics like: Berkeley faculty, alumni, and researchers have won 70 Nobel Prizes, 9 Wolf Prizes, 7 Fields Medals, 15 Turing Awards, 45 MacArthur Fellowships, 20 Academy Awards, and 11 Pulitzer Prizes. To date, UC Berkeley and its researchers are associated with 6 chemical elements of the periodic table (Californium, Seaborgium, Berkelium, Einsteinium, Fermium, Lawrencium) and Berkeley Lab has discovered 16 chemical elements in total – more than any other university in the world. Berkeley student-athletes have won over 100 Olympic medals. In all of these areas, Berkeley is “FAR SUPERIOR” to Duke, in your terms. You chose to selectively post the statistics that show Duke in better light.</p>

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<p>I’ll give you statistics/rankings. For overall university:
[Top</a> 400 - The Times Higher Education World University Rankings 2011-2012](<a href=“http://www.timeshighereducation.co.uk/world-university-rankings/2011-2012/top-400.html]Top”>World University Rankings 2011-12 | Times Higher Education (THE))
[National</a> University Rankings | Top National Universities | US News Best Colleges](<a href=“http://colleges.usnews.rankingsandreviews.com/best-colleges/rankings/national-universities]National”>http://colleges.usnews.rankingsandreviews.com/best-colleges/rankings/national-universities)
[Academic</a> Ranking of World Universities - 2011| Top 500 universities | Shanghai Ranking - 2011 | World University Ranking - 2011](<a href=“http://www.shanghairanking.com/ARWU2011.html]Academic”>http://www.shanghairanking.com/ARWU2011.html)</p>

<p>For Business Schools:
[Academic</a> Ranking of World Universities in Economics / Business - 2011 | 2011 Top 100 Universities in Economics / Business | ARWU-SUBJECT 2011](<a href=“http://www.shanghairanking.com/SubjectEcoBus2011.html]Academic”>http://www.shanghairanking.com/SubjectEcoBus2011.html)
[Best</a> Undergraduate Business Programs | Rankings | US News](<a href=“http://colleges.usnews.rankingsandreviews.com/best-colleges/rankings/business-overall]Best”>http://colleges.usnews.rankingsandreviews.com/best-colleges/rankings/business-overall)</p>

<p>You want WSJ rankings? [School</a> Rankings by College Major – Job Recruiter Top Picks - WSJ.com](<a href=“http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10001424052748703376504575491704156387646.html?mod=WSJ_PathToProfessions_MiddleTopHeadSumm]School”>http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10001424052748703376504575491704156387646.html?mod=WSJ_PathToProfessions_MiddleTopHeadSumm)</p>

<p>Open the above links, and see Berkeley trumps Duke in every ranking,including the ones you asked me to look at, except for one. I think it’s time for you to get real. With a straight face, of course. :wink:
As for Med School acceptance rate, the parametric is skewed since Berkeley doesn’t have a Med School. And as far as I know, the OP never said anything about the quality of premed. Clearly, you’re trying to turn the discussion towards Duke’s strong points, but perhaps you should have been more subtle in doing so. You ask me to check WSJ’s feeder school ranking. Why not the Business school ranking straight up? Don’t get me wrong, I’m not trying to run down Duke, it’s a great college. But I fail to see why you are so adamant to admit that other schools exist that are on par, if not better in many respects, than Duke.</p>

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<p>I’ll be the first person to buy this if only you can cite the source you’ve quoted.</p>

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<p>It is nearly as tough to get into Berkeley, my friend. Neither of them is a Harvard, let’s face it. But both are nearly equally hard for internationals to get into. </p>

<p>On a lighter note, I’m loving Berkeley, as would be evident by now. ;)</p>

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On a serious note, you’re making me love Berkeley even more :)</p>

<p>Tizil, if you do end up choosing Berkeley, PM me. I’ll redirect you to my facebook profile so that if you have any course related questions in the future, you can reach me directly.</p>

<p>yeahi’mthatguy all your rankings/awards are based primarily on grad school reputation, and I have already said that Berkeley is a great graduate institution perhaps one of the best in the world. The awards that I cited are all UNDERGRADUATE distinctions. Perhaps you are unable to make a distinction between graduate and undergraduate programs and curricula. If this is indeed the case then I have nothing more to say to you, I would have thought that someone attending Berkeley would have been able to make this simple distinction, however it appears that I was sadly mistaken. Ohh and take a look at Parchment.com it provides cross admit data with a 95% statistical accuracy. CMU and Cornell both win a measly 24% of cross admits with Duke.</p>

<p>And the rankings? Will you choose to turn your head away from each and every one of them for convenience’s sake or attribute them to graduate school too, despite their being titled UNDERGRADUATE in big bold letters?</p>

<p>If so, then I choose to take leave silently rather than stand in judgement about your capabilities and draw conclusions about Duke solely based on one happyman, unlike yourself.</p>

<p>You said that is because you got accepted by USB. Duke ranks 8-10 over the yr; USB ranks over 20. they are not in the same range. It is common sense. Plus, USB is a public school. In general privates schools are better in terms of students make up. For the accepted students SAT & GPA score range, you can pretty much tell Duke is way over USB.</p>

<p>^Shouldn’t it be UCB??</p>

<p>I think I’ll respond when he gets the name right.</p>

<p>USB - University of Stanford Berkeley</p>

<p>YIATG: Chemical elements discovered at Berkeley!! Berkelium…Oh man…I will be so happy if I get accepted there, UCB seems like a very exciting experience-best social scence with excellent acedamics+internships at Silicon Valley. It does hold an edge against many good schools, no doubt :D</p>

<p>pratyush: Lol, great brainstorming dude!! ;)</p>

<p>Hahahaha xD</p>

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<p>I almost thought he was talking about the Universal Serial Bus (USB Port).
My reaction: Nice! So what’d they come up with to make up for functionality? <em>Realization</em> Oh… dang.</p>