Suggestions for northeast college visit road trip?

Well, we have returned from our truncated road trip. Sadly, I fell ill on the second night we were out so had to cut the visits short after only seeing Williams, Smith, and Brown.

The good news is, D says the visits were very enlightening and she could see herself being fine at any of the places we visited. All of our tour guides were enthusiastic and clearly happy to be where they were (even the poor girl at Williams who was battling persistent rain and shockingly cold wind.) Just getting the chance to see schools in action I think made the whole idea a lot more real and less mysterious and scary for her.

When pressed for plus/minus thoughts on each school, D came up with the following:

Brown: D was impressed with the sense of history. Liked seeing an active, diverse student body on campus. Our guide was a graduating senior giving her final tour and she got honestly choked up reflecting on her four years at Brown at the end of it. Providence felt accessible and not too big (D is not a city kid.) On the minus side, D did feel concerned that the open curriculum would be a bit overwhelming to navigate. Of the tours, Brown’s was also the most “institutional” and touristy feeling - sticking strictly to public spaces, with less sense of student life.

Williams: D actually quite liked the way Williams handles academic requirements - that you do have to take courses within all three of their major study areas, but with a lot of flexibility. I think she prefers that flexible structure to the totally open curriculum of Brown. She also thought J-term sounded cool. The idea of the tutorial classes (2 students and one professor, Oxford-style) was simultaneously very intriguing but also a bit frightening (nowhere to hide!) Williams was at a disadvantage because it was raining and cold on our visit. Our guide did her best, but it was hard to really look around when you were just trying to scurry from place to place. D found the architecture at Williams fascinating - they’ve retained the shells of a lot of their old buildings and integrated very modern additions to them. D described it as very “sci-fi.” On the down side, she thought it was all maybe a little bit too slick? She said she felt a little afraid to touch anything because she didn’t want to leave fingerprints. They did take us inside the common area of a dorm, and that did feel a bit more human scale. D also liked how much the arts seem integrated into life there.

Smith: Our tour guide was a sweet, enthusiastic sophomore and definitely seemed the most “kid like” of any of our guides (the other two were seniors, and carried themselves more like young women.) So I think D was able to picture herself at Smith in a more visceral way than she was at Brown or Williams. This tour was also the most intimate feeling, our guide took us into her room (a nice single) and the common areas of her “house”. We also got to see more academic spaces, as our guide was an engineering major and D and the other girl with us on the tour were both interested in possible science majors. The campus was charming and felt like a botanical garden. It’s funny because I felt for sure that D was going to say to me on our ride back to the hotel that Smith was by far her favorite of the schools. And she did like it, but she said it felt in a funny way like it might be too comfortable. D does have an intellectual ego and a little bit of a competitive streak, but she needs to be pushed for it to surface, and she honestly wonders if an atmosphere that’s so focused on being “supportive” might wind up making her complacent. Which… I actually thought was pretty perceptive!

Of course, this was just the start of her explorations, so I don’t know if any of these schools are “on” or “off” whatever her eventual list is. It was nice to see her beginning to wrap her head around the idea of being away at school, though, and to see that she is more looking to like places than to nitpick them. I’m sorry we weren’t able to see Tufts and Clark on this trip - as she was curious about both of them. Our next sojourn will probably be NY focused, as we do have to work in some SUNY visits, and D is also curious about Cornell.

@thermom Your daughter sounds very bright and perceptive. The open curriculum at Brown and the “shopping period” for classes can be stressful and can take two or three semesters to get comfortable with. It’s a little bit easier for engineers. Here is a good description: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9aNp6bJCAhU

Were you able to drive through Mt. Holyoke? Just curious. We also toured Smith and Williams and passed on Holyoke - but I would have liked to have seen it.

If your daughter likes dance, she should tour Barnard College and Fordham at Lincoln Center. Fordham has ties with Alvin Alley.

Those are 3 great schools with lots to offer so they aren’t that hard to like :smiley:

I’m not so sure how hard it is for you to get to Northampton again (can you take the ferry to Bridgeport to make it easier?) but Mt Holyoke is still worth a visit and they have a Saturday morning IS/CT and Amherst has a Saturday afternoon tour. I did think Amherst lacked more in science and I think MHC is more laid back academically than Smith. I think Smith is more rigorous and competitive than they let on during tours and IS.

You can also check Saturday schedules for Yale, Wesleyan, and Trinity but this weekend is probably the last weekend with kids on campus for all the semester schools.

Amherst kids are around through May 14 (last day of finals) though they begin to leave the 10th.

Then again, we toured Amherst in the summer and it was fine, great guide and a basically private tour. D didn’t visit again until accepted student weekend, which sold her. If summer’s all you have to work with, it can still be useful.

@arwarw @Dolemite Sadly, we did not get the chance to visit Mt. Holyoke - we had planned on at least doing a self-tour of the campus yesterday, but I was feeling too poorly (it was food poisoning, ugh) to do anything but limp home.

Unfortunately, I’m not sure if we’re going to have the chance to do any more visits while classes are still in session, as D has AP exams this coming week and the next. June has more opportunities for us, but I know it’s less ideal to visit during the summer. Oh well!

@OHMomof2 Ok, good to know! Thanks. :slight_smile:

OP: If you come back at the end of your daughter’s school year with concrete numbers (rank , ACT, SAT, AP scores when available and Subject Test scores) the helpful parents here can provide even more information. Right now, 2 of the 3 schools you’ve seen (Williams and Brown) and Cornell in your future are reaches for the bright unhooked young woman - even with 33/34 on ACT practice tests.

Be sure to follow the advice given constantly here on CC - the schools your D visits and applies should contain a mix of a few reaches (you’ve probably seen and are planning on too many), many matches, and several financial safeties that she would be very happy at.

If there is other information about your D that would be useful - URM, unusual EC, legacy , etc let us know about that, too.

Good luck, it’s a wonderful journey.

@MAB222 Thanks! Yes, completely understood about the reach/match/safety mix. My D is very realistic about her chances being the dreaded “bright, well-rounded” suburban white girl. :slight_smile: Her April ACT was in fact a 33 and she’s retaking in June, and unless she completely falls on her face she will be in top 10% of her class, but we know the numbers are only part of the story.

She won’t actually apply to all of the reaches she’s looking at, this has been a fact finding mission more than anything as she had no idea what colleges/universities even looked like. I worked my way through a CUNY and her father went to state school out west, so the whole LAC and private school world is utterly foreign to us as a family. It was happenstance that we visited 2 reaches so early on. She’s also been thinking about checking many more schools in the match/safety realm:

SUNYs (she will visit at least Geneseo, Binghamton, and Stony Brook),
Smith (which we did visit, and she liked)
Clark (which we didn’t get to visit this time as I fell ill)
U Rochester
RPI
Dickinson
maybe Mt. Holyoke or Bryn Mawr
and we’ll pick a couple of other merit-granting LACs to investigate more thoroughly, time allowing. I appreciate the warning about not getting carried away with reach schools, but I don’t actually think that’s a danger here. :slight_smile: