Suit: Pa. school spied on students via laptops (MERGED THREAD)

<p>The real and threatened litigation if generally more about discipline than grades–just as this case appears likely to be.</p>

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<p>I think in Lower Merion, there are lots of parents who either (a) own the law firm, or (b) already have the law firm on retainer, or (c) are partners with someone on the school board.</p>

<p>But litigation isn’t always the problem. A lot of the parents are very good at getting their own way. Right now, Harriton’s most prominent alum is probably Lawrence Summers. Imagine his parents. Imagine how smart they are (smarter than you). Imagine how well they tolerate fools (not well). Imagine their restraint and delicacy (you will have to imagine that, because you aren’t going to encounter it IRL). Which group of Harriton parents do you want to have a cage-match with? The old money or the new millionaires? The Penn CAS faculty, or Wharton faculty, or Law School faculty, or maybe the entire Medical School? The corporate lawyers or the hedge fund managers? The only thing that really saves the poor teachers and administrators is that all of the foregoing are constitutionally incapable of agreeing with one another, so most of their combativeness is directed at each other and not at the help.</p>

<p>WebcamGate is now taking an entirely new dimension with criminal investigations being launched by the FBI and the Montgomery County DA. </p>

<p>This is going to blow up big time! The local communities are furious. It appears increasingly likely this was not an isolated incident. Many students are now reporting their webcams being remotely activated while at home.</p>

<p>[FBI</a> Launches Criminal Investigation into Webcam Spying: Source | NBC Philadelphia](<a href=“FBI Launches Criminal Investigation into Webcam Spying – NBC10 Philadelphia”>FBI Launches Criminal Investigation into Webcam Spying – NBC10 Philadelphia)</p>

<p>The thing that would scare the bejeezus out of me if I were the superintendent is the possibility that the system had been hacked. I wonder how many 13-25 year-olds there are in Montgomery County capable of doing that? Dozens?</p>

<p>Hacking by teenagers is usually accomplished with tools written by others.</p>

<p>These systems are Macs running Mac OS X so there are far fewer tools for hacking the system. The EFI on these systems is apparently locked down so you can’t do a boot of your own drive. You can’t install a new OS either. So this will prevent a lot of casual hackers.</p>

<p>Of course someone handy with a screwdriver could simply remove the computer’s hard drive and mount it on another system for examination. If the hard drive is encrypted, then it is likely unhackable but if it isn’t, then one could modify drivers and programs to defeat the remote security features. Someone could also just install their own hard drive and OS too - they cost around $60.</p>

<p>The interesting question is whether or not the admins could be hacked. One could attempt a social engineering hack. Say by creating an executable called smoking_weed. The admin might download it and run it on his own machine potentially allowing remote control or monitoring of the admin’s computer by a student.</p>

<p>Another potential weakness might be the passwords that they use to gain remote control access to a computer. They have 2,300 computers out there - do you think that they have a different password for every machine for the admin to get access? That’s a lot of post-it notes. If not, then find the password gives you access to all of them.</p>

<p>You can do quite a bit when you have physical access to the machine.</p>

<p>It would be rather interesting to learn the name of the company that provides the security software. I imagine that they’re getting a few calls from corporate, government and school customers.</p>

<p>It seems very unlikely there was any hacking involved. The software used is very robust and sold throughout the US. People looking into the computers have found no way to disable the remote monitoring software. There had been numerous reports by students to IT personnel of webcam “malfunctions” which were dismissed as ‘glitches’. If there were any hacking concerns they would certainly have looked into it. What I would worry about are overzealous IT personnel wiping out the logs of all the remote accesses. The FBI investigation may have been triggered to prevent any tampering with evidence on school servers.</p>

<p>My apologies if someone has already posted this, but I don’t think you have and it does seem to be a key point made by a district spokesman:

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<p>No attorneys in this house, but that has got to be pretty damning for the school district.</p>

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<p>They didn’t try very hard.</p>

<p>1) Open computer
2) Remove hard disk and put it in a USB enclosure
3) Clone another Mac disk onto the disk
4) Put the cloned disk back in the Mac</p>

<p>If you want to disable the webcam and mike, open it up and snip the wires on the devices.</p>

<p>Psystar was able to hack the Apple EFI and I found a program on the web to reset EFI passwords.</p>

<p>BCEagle, very impressed by your computer savvy. But should the average family (upper class or not) be expected to have these skills, or be expected to anticipate the need to apply them?</p>

<p>As to the omnipotence of “Lower Merion” parents as litigation bullies, the answer is move your kid to private school pronto – the last thing they are going to do is name Johnny in a public lawsuit. And yeah, I’ll take a cage fight with any of them. Ask Harvard’s endowment how “brilliant” Larry Summers is. If the Lower Merion admin kowtows to bullies, what a silly school district that is, regardless of reputation.</p>

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<p>You can find video instructions on cloning and replacing a hard drive on YouTube. If you need more help or handholding, you can go to one of the many Mac forums.</p>

<p>I upgraded the memory on my Mac a while ago and just followed the directions on a YouTube video.</p>

<p>“If the Lower Merion admin kowtows to bullies, what a silly school district that is, regardless of reputation.”</p>

<p>Agree 100%. That’s why I think that if this lawsuit is an attempt at intimidation, they should go nuclear on the plaintiffs.</p>

<p>EMM, we agree, depending on the IF</p>

<p>But IF the school district overstepped, it should face the consequences as well.</p>

<p>It appears we have more common ground than it seemed at first.</p>

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<p>I agree that this is the crux of the thing. Local news just had the kid and father on TV. They are claiming that the laptop was not reported stolen, that the webcam was activated regardless, and that the kid was subsequently accused of taking drugs ( which he claims was really Mike and Ike’s candy which he loves). This would appear to be in direct contradiction to what the school district is saying (that the webcam tracking feature was ONLY activated in the case of a lost or stolen laptop).</p>

<p>“It seems very unlikely there was any hacking involved. The software used is very robust and sold throughout the US. People looking into the computers have found no way to disable the remote monitoring software.”</p>

<p>Can’t disable the software? Disable the device. Not exactly an elegant solution compared to the ones that BC describes, but a piece of non-transparent tape over the cam and a wad of gum over the mike will do the trick! :)</p>

<p>Am I the only one dubious about how these webcams would help find a stolen laptop to begin with? Were they expecting miscreants to loudly comment, “It sure is great to be Mr. John Doe, laptop thief, living at 326 Oak Lane!” at random intervals? Put a GPS chip in it instead.</p>

<p>Naturally, that’s what I’m saying - a simple band-aid over the cam while the computer is being hacked into or scanned for passwords and credit card numbers will make such video capturing software useless.</p>

<p>Some kids were doing just that, covered the camera with a piece of paper while using the computer. There were wide spread rumors that they may spy on you.</p>

<p>Here’s the latest from the school district:</p>

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