Summary Of My First Week Of College

No one is trying to take away your independence, or your adulthood. I didn’t own a car until I had a job that could only be reached by car, in the suburbs, and that paid me so much (about 82K/yr in today’s dollars) that it was worth buying a car in order to be able to reach it. That was when I was about 26, if I recall. Until that time, I used public transportation and designed my life around places that I could reach by public transportation, because I couldn’t afford a car.

None of my children had cars while in college. They got cars when they had jobs that necessitated them, and paid well enough that it was no financial hardship to have a car.

It is pretty much impossible for an engineering student at Purdue to work so much, and clearly, my first instinct that you were supporting a car was correct. I thought that you were not yet 18, in which case you would not yet have credit card debt, but since you talk so emphatically about having bills, I’m worried that you’re in trouble with that, too. So which do you want - to do as well as possible in your program at Purdue, or to work too many hours a week to support a car? Please don’t blame underfunded schools for your having trouble with school, when you’re working 28 hours/week to support a car.

I know that this is really, really hard for a teenager with a car to hear. It’s like that other genie they talk about that you cannot put back into the bottle. Once you own a car, it’s really hard to imagine going back to using public transportation. But you cannot do well in a demanding college program while working so many hours. Even someone who had gone to the most expensive prep school in the country would have trouble managing Purdue engineering while working 28 hours/week, or now 24. You seem to be very motivated, a really hard worker, both in and out of school. But what good will it be, if you wind up not doing well in school?

I’m assuming that you’re carrying a 15 credit load. General rule of thumb is to spend 3 hours/wk prepping for every hour of class/wk. That would mean 60 hrs/wk spent on class and out of class schoolwork. I know that is what I did when I was serious about my schoolwork in very challenging classes. Not everyone has to do this, but since you seem to feel that you’re unprepared for the challenge you’re meeting at Purdue, it is not at all unreasonable that you would. There is just no way that you can manage that plus 28, or now 24 hours/week of work.

Success in life is about deferred gratification. Take a serious look at what’s going on. Take a serious look at your expenses. Consider what you want out of life, what you need to get there. I’m assuming that for you, it’s getting that engineering degree and then getting a good job that pays well. It is unlikely that you’re going to be able to get there while working so many hours. Consider selling the car (used cars are worth a lot these days), and cutting your spending so that you won’t be so stressed by bills. There are cheaper ways to get textbooks - you can rent them, often at a very low rate through a company called Cengage, or other sources. Consider every penny you spend, and see if you can do without, so that you don’t have to work so many hours while in school, so that you maximize your chances of doing well in school, with the goal of getting that highly respected engineering degree from Purdue.

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Hello,

You are a hard working young adult trying to take on so much. I am worried that the plan you are currently implementing is not sustainable.

We are trying to help you on this thread and the other one you started. Your classes you have right now are tough. The math class sounds like it is a half semester condensed course, so you are doing 2 weeks every week in math. That is a rapid pace. I am worried about the idea of doing Calc this summer in this condensed fashion. Other students in the class will be repeating it their second time and most had done calc exposure in college.

What other bills do you have that you are trying to manage? Car payments, car maintenance, car insurance, taxes, campus parking, health insurance? Cell phone ??The academic struggles will not get easier. I recommended an on campus job so you would not need a car and so you had an employer who worked with you around academic demands.

See if there is a support services office to help you come up with a budget.

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I’m glad your manager is understanding and that you now have better work shifts, but I am still very concerned for you. You have such an amazing work-ethic, but I think it is going to cause you problems, because you are really working too much for a first-semester Engineering student, especially one who comes from a school that does not do a good job preparing students for college (which is what you have posted before).

The general recommendation is to work a maximum of 10-12 hours per week. You will be working twice that – plus time lost in commuting.

Were you able to look into the Boiler Affordability Grant? If you are receiving a Pell Grant, of if your parents Adjusted Gross Income for 2019 was $70k or less on the FAFSA, then you should not have to pay anything out of pocket for tuition, room and board, books, and even the extra fees associated with being in the engineering program. Here is the link for that information:

https://www.purdue.edu/dfa/cost/BoilerAffordabilityGrant.html

if you qualify but don’t have this grant, please go to the financial aid office.

Actually, you should go to the financial aid office anyway because they may have other financial resources for you that will hopefully help you to not have to work so many hours.

Here is their contact information – they have walk-in hours and they also help people via phone and email.
Contact Us - Division of Financial Aid - Purdue University

Financial Aid officers are used to working with students and parents to answer financial aid questions and to help come up with solutions. Although my kids don’t go to Purdue, I have reached out to their financial aid offices frequently and they have always been helpful.

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Lots of people have to work during college. Hard to hear for many here that didn’t have to. But… Look for jobs maybe university jobs, that don’t require a lot. Ie :my daughter worked a job in college that she was at a desk and could study since the location was slow. Yes she basically getting paid to study. Talk to your work study or university and see what jobs are less taxing. Library jobs, desk jobs in departments that don’t require much. They are out there. Even if you kept your current job but did one like I am suggesting it might help close the gap and give you more time to study. Also Purdue is known for great co - ops. You might need this strategy to pay for school. Look into it…

My son worked 10-15 hours /week during engineering all 4 years plus built a very active club from the ground up that required at least this amount of time. He didn’t have lots of time to one for other things due to studying. So on the surface to others here it sounds like a lot and it is. But this OP must have great time management skills also.

Read… https://www.amazon.com/How-Become-Straight-Student-Unconventional/dp/0767922719

This will give you real strategies for studying more efficiently and highly recommend for engineering students. This could help free up some time also. It’s also a quick kinda fun read and very effective. You might already be doing some of these techniques.

Not sure what your roommates are doing to help but that great. In engineering you will learn that sometimes learning and a group is best. Which means you each take a part and like teach each other so the burden is less per student. But you gotta have great people in this group. I wouldn’t worry about actives since your work is your activities for now.

Engineering is tough for the best students that don’t have to work due to their priveldge., try to keep your GPA around or above a 3.0 and you will be fine. (unless it needs to be higher for Chem e at Purdue.

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I agree 100% with the “group is best” advice. My D fought this her freshman year. She has been a pretty independent learner in high school and didn’t see why things had to change in college. And she insisted she didn’t have time to deal with a group. Beginning of sophomore year she was struggling with an assignment and we suggested she reach out the the nice kid she mentioned from her class and it turned out he was meeting with a small group of kids from class to go over the homework later that week. Almost two years later and this same group meets weekly and often groups together for projects. Her grades have improved drastically and the stress has lessened because when she is really stuck she has people to go to for help and support. While meeting with the group takes time, she spends less time struggling on her own.

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Car insurance, gas, phone bill, housing bill, saving money for summer and winter break so I can get my own apartment because I’m not planning to go back to my parents house when the semester ends. I can’t quit my off campus job because it pays good money. I need to take calculus 1 over the summer so I can CODO into engineering by December.

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My off campus job pays a high salary for me to stay afloat financially so I can’t quit. Most jobs on campus pay around minimum wage.

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It is normal to be stressed during college. It is not only a major change in setting due to leaving home, but also in terms of the people around you. I am also going to a school that I have found incredibly difficult. I would say that it is important to simply focus on your own education and not compare yourself to others. Although talked to other people may be beneficial in that they can give you useful study tips or advice for how to succeed in certain classes, I would otherwise focus your attention on your own education and not compare yourself to others.

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I get it, @unknowncreature . The truth is, the combination of working so many hours + College is going to = bumpy road. Put on your helmet and seat belt, because it’s not going to be a walk in the park. Add in an Engineering major, and the turbulence in emotional swings might rise.

While I understand your desire/need to maintain your independence from your family, that independence comes with a price. The price you pay for working so much to afford your independence is you’re going to have a more difficult time being a high-GPA student.

In our lives, we usually have time for two main things at a time, and sometimes only one. If you choose school and working as your two main things, you have to accept you’re not going to have much time for anything else. If you shift time to hobbies, maintaining friendships, anything else, one of your two main things will suffer. Quite honestly, when it comes to work or classes, many college students in your situation feel they HAVE to work and thus their school work suffers.

This is going to be a delicate balancing act for you for the next few years. You have to learn how to balance the demands on your life. @Knowsstuff had some good ideas for you. If you were not already aware of those tips, check them out now. Like right now!

But the bottom line is the path you have chosen will not be easy and will not be comparable to most of your classmates. Expect challenges. Find outlets for your frustrations. Don’t allow yourself to succumb to the occasional periods of feeling overwhelmed. And most importantly, manage your time like a Time Lord.

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Why do you need a car? You need a car so that you can get to the job that pays for the car?

Believe me, I understand you better than you realize! You do not want to ever go back to your parents’ home, and their rules and restrictions. But you’re headed towards failing two classes, because you’re working so many hours to support the car that you need to get to the job that pays for the car.

Housing: Right now, you’re living in a dorm on campus, I presume. This should be covered as part of your financial aid package. If it’s not, go back to fin aid and ask for more help. Unless they expected your parents to pay a portion, and they are not, I find it difficult to understand that they are asking you to work to pay for your housing. You should have had a full fin aid package, that would have included a small on campus work study job, but not something that would have paid as much as your entire dorm bill.

Phone bill: hopefully you are not locked into an expensive plan. Look into the cut rate plans, like Mint Mobile, or Total Wireless, or one of the other many MVNO (mobile virtual network operators) that offer really cheap cell phone service.

Summer housing: If you don’t pass this math class, you won’t be taking Calculus over the summer, and if you cannot handle the pace right now, you most definitely won’t be able to handle a higher level math class at a faster clip, while working, if you can even catch up to get the grade in this class to get into that class. When I took a summer class, it was ALL I did, night and day, because we had 3 hours of class daily, and did an entire semester in 4 weeks. It moves FAST. All you can do is go to class, study, sleep and eat. If it’s just one class over 8 weeks, then you should be able to work, too, while taking it, possibly as much as 30 hours/week. If you are going to summer school, you must be asking for financial aid for the tuition. Ask them for help with summer housing! You cannot be the first poor student trying to get through Purdue engineering. Or look for a cheap summer sublet with a roommate, and go back into the dorms in late August.

But check out this: Cooperative Housing at Purdue. This is the cheapest way to live while at Purdue.
Cooperative Housing - Parent & Family Connections - Purdue University Email recruitment@purduecooperatives.org. Maybe you can get into them and start there in May.

The coops at U Mich were a lifeline for my father in law, who was so poor that he literally was starving his first semester at U Mich back in the '30s. He worked in a restaurant, and that was the only meal he got. Then he found the coops, and he was able to live really cheaply for the rest of college and grad school. He even met his wife through the coops. My husband lived there, too, when he was at school there. This is the absolute cheapest housing. And you will meet interesting people through it.

You already cannot handle your schoolwork while carrying the burden of a car, and you’re talking about getting your own apartment in May, too?

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One of my sons favorite saying from Michigan engineering is… “we all struggle together”… It’s just so true…

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So here’s the decision you need to make. Do you want to be an engineer? If so, then please look more seriously at all the advice given. Because of the red flags some of us with more experience are trying to tell you, that might not happen. You will be my ultimate hero if you do.

The classes you are taking now are the easy ones. You haven’t gotten to the weed out classes like Calc 2 /physics 2. Not 100 % versed on the ones for Purdue.

Unless you don’t sleep something has to give and you don’t want it to be your mental health. Co-op living is a great alternative if an apartment is more money. Subletting might be your less expensive option. You might need a co-signer for the apt BTW.

Venting here is great but what do you expect people to say since they are trying to help you. I agree and talking to financial aid. They do have money for people struggling. There are special grants for that at most universities. They also might be able to help with housing specifically.

Maybe in the future look into becoming a RA if they give free or greatly reduced housing.

Also take a deeper dive into what university jobs they have. My son had one for two years that paid $16.00 /hour.

If you haven’t done it you need to explain how your on our own and working is taking up too much time etc etc.

But as others have suggested, something has to give. I was you many years ago. I am talking from experience here.

Because otherwise you will be paying for an unrealized degree with a car and cell phone.

Good Luck!

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Hi OP,

I am sorry you are struggling. I think everyone here has had good advice. I think office hours, the math lab other posters have mentioned, and study groups are the way to go. I would also look into tutoring for the class/es you are struggling with.

In terms of your expenses, can you cut down on anything? Perhaps a cheaper cell phone plan? Can you leave the car at your parents’ house, eliminating the need to pay for gas and insurance? I would also talk to financial aid or your department about any additional scholarships or financial aid you might qualify for. Have you taken out the federal loan?

I agree with the idea of looking at co-ops or internships- see if any include housing. The RA idea is a good one as well, if that will pay for housing. Would Purdue be giving you financial aid for summer classes? Would it cover housing in the dorms over the summer?

I know you aren’t planning to go back to your parents’ house for the summer or breaks, but is that an option? It seems like you really need to be working full time over the summer to get your expenses covered, and that may not be easy if you’re taking a hard math class in the summer. Do you have to take that in the summer, or can you do that in the fall instead? How would that affect things?

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I would look into community College for any summer classes. It’s much cheaper then Purdue. Just make sure it transfers cleanly and get pre approval for the class. You will save thousands of dollars and this way. But speed can be the issue

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I only work on my easy days: Saturday, Sunday and Tuesday. My off days are Monday, Wednesday, Thursday, and Friday. During my off days is when I have most of my assignments done and my study sessions. My sleep schedule is from 12am-6am everyday and I’m getting used to my routine.

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I prefer to take the math class in the summer and then calc 2 in the fall. My advisor recommended that I apply for CODO into engineering by December.

Does your advisor know you are struggling in your current math class? A class in the summer will be faster-paced, with more work and less time going over topics. The advisor may suggest something else if you explain your situation. We all want you to succeed, and the summer math class may not be the best option.

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If you need an alarm to wake yourself up in the morning, then you’re not getting enough sleep. At your age many young men need 9 hours, certainly 8 hours. Sure, you can occasionally get only 6, but not on a regular basis.

As I said, for every hour of class, rule of thumb is 3 hours of prep. So say you have 15 hours of class/lab/whatever. Say they are just under 4 hours each MWThF. Say you also need to put in just under 12 hours of prep each of those days, for the 4 hours of class? Say you also need to shower, shave, sleep, eliminate, walk to class, etc? Then add in the fact that you are not available to go to the math lab, or work with classmates, on T, Sat, Sun, because you’re working. You see how this is not working out? You literally NEVER have a day to get together with classmates and work on problem sets, or projects. You NEVER have a day to catch up. This is why you’re failing - not that you cannot do the work, but that you cannot do it under the current circumstances.

Is there any way that you can unload the car? There are ways to have someone else assume the lease, if it’s leased. If it’s bought on a loan, see what you can get selling it. Prices are just going up and up on used cars. You can find a way through this without a car! Most students who live at college, even well-off ones who are fully financially supported by their parents, don’t take a car to college, most don’t even own a car.

For your job, could you work two ten hour shifts, instead of three 8 hour shifts? Or even two 12 hours if you absolutely have to? That would give you one more day off, so that you wouldn’t have to commute to and from the job. Is it a chain that you’re working for? Now that they know you’re a valuable worker, could they move you to a place closer to campus that you could reach by public transit, or even Uber?

Reach out to the co-ops. Many years ago, they were a lifeline for my father in law. They were a wonderful place for my husband. They’re the cheapest way to live at a lot of Midwest colleges.

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Yes

Did they have any suggestions for you? Do they still advise doing the summer class?