Summer before junior year...go away to do a program, or try something new at home?

<p>I'm a current sophomore considering a theatre/musical theatre in college, and I'm starting to think about this coming summer. I have two basic paths, and I'm not sure which would be better. Chances are that I will take one path this summer and take another path the following summer. I'm wondering what will be better for the summer before junior year:</p>

<p>Path 1: Stay at beach house with family and do a few of the following:
* Audition for musical at a community theatre I've never acted at before, but I'm sure I will be cast in
* Audition for musical at regional theatre I've never acted out before, and I probably won't be cast in
^ I probably won't do both, but it's possible I would if cast in both
* Get a job to save up for dance lessons during junior year, which my parents will most likely not pay for (in musical theatre, dance is my weakest area)
* Driver's Ed so my parents don't complain about driving to said dance lessons
* Community Service, particularly at my friend's summer camp and a theatre camp
* Intensive Broadway Dance Classes
* Summer Commmunity College course</p>

<p>OR</p>

<p>Path 2: Go away to do a 3-5 week summer pre-college program, providing I'm accepted and my parents agree to pay for it
* Community service when I get back
* Maybe get a job?
* nothing else, having sabotaged my chances of getting cast in a show by going away for 3-5 weeks</p>

<p>I don't know what to do. There's also the chance that I will have a good time at a pre-college program and will want to participate in it again the next summer, if the program allows repeats.</p>

<p>I've never lived away from home, so having my parents let me do some kind of program this coming summer is a BIG STEP. Also, I'm going to have to fit in college visits to whatever path I choose to take in two summers.</p>

<p>I'm torn. I don't know what to do, and would LOVE some input. Thank you!</p>

<p>~ SeasonsofLuv23</p>

<p>Hi Seasons!</p>

<p>I'm sure all of us parents understand your situation...especially going away from home. I think it comes down to what you feel is going to help you the most at this point in your life. Looking at your "at home" schedule, it sound like you certainly will keep yourself busy! </p>

<p>Since I assume you want to major in music in college, you could stay at home and take classes at your community college to help you in the future. Piano, acting, dance and music theory are always important things to study. </p>

<p>There are many summer music camps and programs out there. Check the summer program thread for many suggestions. If you don't feel like it's time to leave home, then don't. Those programs will always be there -even next year!</p>

<p>Good luck with your decision!</p>

<p>Good advice Trill! Spending a summer working on your music skills would be a valuable thing to do!</p>

<p>I don't believe that you have to go away to a summer program to do well in college auditions, especially if you take advantage of training at home.</p>

<p>Drivers ed is a good thing to do - helps with insurance rates!</p>

<p>Ericsmom, I agree with you. I wouldn't want prospective students, or parents, to get the idea that a summer program is essential for admission to the schools which are discussed on CC. It isn't the case at all! I also think that it is wrong to suggest things such as this:</p>

<p>" I think it comes down to what you feel is going to help you the most at this point in your life."</p>

<p>There are successful kids at every college who never set foot in a summer program; who never took community college classes during the summer; who didn't train all summer long. I'm not saying kids shouldn't do these things <em>if they want to</em> but it isn't essential, and kids shouldn't feel pressured to do it, by people who think that it is. Everyone has different ways to obtain the training that they feel is necessary to make them successful. As has been said hundreds of times on CC, there are many paths! If kids are in a position where they have to have a summer job, or if they choose to play soccer or take drivers' ed, they shouldn't feel that they are somehow at a disadvantage. Summer should be a time where kids choose things to do that they enjoy doing. If that happens to be attending a summer program, great, but the reason for it should not be because it will look good on college applications.</p>

<p>I agree 100% with what AlwaysAMom just wrote. I would never pick an activity or summer experience with college applications in mind. I also do not think one needs to attend a summer program in order to go to a MT program, let alone to college. I think the summers should be spent doing something worthwhile that you really want to do. It could be a job, a travel experience, a program, something academic, a service project, learning something or experiencing something new, etc. Go with your interests and find experiences to satisfy those interests. No programs are NEEDED to get into college. Pursuing your interests in worthwhile ways and engaging in experiences that matter to you is the point. Perhaps you train all year in one area and want to use summers to explore an area you don't have time for during the year. Maybe you want a summer program where you can get experiences or training in areas that you can't get as much of at home. Maybe you just want to experience the "away from home" experience. Maybe you want to travel. My kids mapped out their summers by what they wanted to do. We gave them the opportunity to pick whatever they wanted and college was NEVER on their minds when they chose. Summers need not be for what will "help" you but more for exploring whatever you are interested in doing. As well, jobs are good experiences. The only thing that would not be seen as too worthwhile by a college is someone who did nothing the entire summer. </p>

<p>There is no X = college admissions formula. Plenty of kids go to BFA programs who did not attend summer programs. For that matter, plenty of kids go to BFA programs who never went to performing arts high schools or who attended HS that had no drama classes whatsoever. To get into a BFA program, yes, one needs training. But that doesn't necessarily equate with a summer program. One can take lessons at home too. Pick summer activities around what you WANT to explore and do. The rest will follow. Get engaged in your interests. Pursue them in whatever way suits you. Take on a significant role in your endeavors. The choice is yours. I've got a kid in an Ivy League school and she chose all of her summer experiences and they did not relate to her intended college major. She loved every single summer thing she did. Each had an impact on who she is as a person today. Frankly, college admissions had nothing to do with my kids' summer choices. But if you really care about that aspect, I can assure you colleges look favorably upon kids who have engaged in their interest areas in a significant capacity, and also look positively toward work experiences, as well.</p>

<p>While I completely agree with all the posters above, I would like to say that if a student doesn't have much experience (i.e., performing arts high school or audition classes) I do think that a pre-college program is very beneficial the summer before Senior year. 1. It gives you somewhat of an idea of the talent out there (you're no longer the big fish in the small pond), 2. It gives you an idea of the intensity of a college musical theatre program, 3. It gives you solid tips on auditioning, resumes, presentation, etc. 4. It shows you what a few weeks away from home, without help from parents is like.</p>

<p>While some kids have already had the opportunity to learn most of this, there are many out there that have not had that chance. I think it's really, really valuable on so many fronts.</p>

<p>As far as the summer between Sophomore and Junior year, I completely agree that whatever you want to do, you should do. Don't base your summer on what colleges want to see, but what will enrich YOU.</p>

<p>I'm not sure how members thought I was telling seasonof love that she needed to do a summer program. I believe I was clear in explaining that staying at home and studying music related courses was just as valuable.</p>

<p>trill, I was trying to respond to seasonofluv's post when I wrote mine and not to anything you said.</p>

<p>I was responding to the initial question, because I think this forum in general puts much emphasis on summer programs, and I believe people can do equally as well without them, whether the training at home is in summer or during school year.</p>

<p>Thanks for your input everyone....and actually, I'm considering going away to do a program for the reasons lynnm mentioned, not for colleges to like me more. The second thing lynnm mentioned is actually probably the biggest one at this moment. I've decided to do a pre-college program this coming summer so that in September, when I start the college process with my school counselor, I know if theatre is what I truly want to focus on in college and pursue as a career. </p>

<p>Depending on when the program is, I still might be able to do the community theatre's show, and Driver's Ed will only be delayed a couple of months anyway. I still have time for working at my friend summer camp (it's in sessions). </p>

<p>The ideal program would be in August, so I will now commence loitering about the Summer Program threads to find a theatre program that is relatively cheap and close to home. </p>

<p>Thank you, everyone!</p>

<p>~ SeasonsofLuv23</p>

<p>You might want to check Walnut Hill School's website. I think that their program has sessions at different times and of different lengths. So may many others.</p>

<p>Thanks KatMT...I actually looked into Walnut Hill, which my friend attended last summer. Even though 5 weeks is a little longer than I expected, it looks great, and I'm interested. However, I was unable to find their summer program tuition...does anyone have a ballpark amount or know where to find it?</p>

<p>I think Lynn brings up some very valid points that I agree with as to some benefits of attending a summer intensive, though I realize her comment pertained to summer pre-college programs. While my kids did not attend pre-college programs, they did go away in summers. Sticking with my kid who is now in a BFA program, I agree with Lynn that one benefit of having attended a summer intensive program is that my daughter was in a grouping of a very talented pool of kids from around the country (and beyond). While we surely have talented kids in our region, it is different than one would find at a summer intensive which draws kids from throughout the nation. What the case was at my kid's program, which I think is likely true of many of the theater intensives talked about on CC, is that it was like putting all the standouts from local communities all in one place. In many ways, this is what auditioning to get into college will involve, a talent pool of the standouts from all over the country. By being amongst such kids, besides the thrill of being with others who share a similar passion, it was ONE opportunity to gauge one's talent beyond the home community. It is one thing to always be cast locally, or always get the lead back home, and another to feel out how one might fare amongst others of a similar level. This was not why my kid attended but now that she has, it was one plus because going into the BFA admissions process, she had SOME idea of measuring herself among the talent out there that is stronger overall locally. All the while, she realized there were kids coming out of many other summer intensives and also performing arts high schools (which she did not attend) and so this talent pool would be multiplied. But she could self assess how she fared in such a grouping. As well, by knowing older kids who went on successfully to BFA programs, like she wanted to do eventually, she was able to self evaluate herself against others who were seeking such a path and had been admitted. That is harder to do locally. Beyond the college admissions process itself, now that she is in a BFA program, it is a lot like this again...full of the most talented kids from all over, who have played leads many times over, etc. etc. </p>

<p>Another benefit that Lynn mentioned, which I agree with, is that a summer intensive involves living away from home for an extended period of time. When I grew up, while I did not go to specialized program, I went to an overnight camp for 8 weeks for ten summers. It was the highlight of my childhood. When I went away to college, the adjustment wasn't that difficult. Likewise, my kids have gone away every summer growing up and while all kids are different, mine are not the homesick type and they counted the days all year to go away in summer and hated when it was over. Once they entered college, they were eager to go and they were happy from day one on campus and the adjustment seemed like a piece of cake. </p>

<p>I also agree with Lynn that a summer theater intensive gives one an idea of what it is like to eat and breathe and sleep (sleep??? what's that?) theater, which is exactly what being in a BFA program is like. My kid didn't really need to examine if she wanted a BA or BFA because she already knew what an intense program could be like and knew she wanted that. Obviously college is even more intensive but the hours of doing it all day and night, seven days a week, is the same idea. For some, as I have heard, it is a way to realize that a BFA path is not for them. </p>

<p>Lynn mentioned a benefit of the pre college programs.....the ones that help with the audition process, and that is clearly helpful. I do think that that can be had with local coaching. </p>

<p>As well, a summer program MAY offer things you cannot get locally and so it is an opportunity to get what you can't during the rest of the year. </p>

<p>While you can get training in summer classes at home, there is something about an overnight experience that can't be replicated. There are just a lot of plusses that are less concrete. The bonds formed in a 24/7 program are one big benefit my child reaped. </p>

<p>I just don't think one NEEDS to do a summer intensive. Basically, there are things one needs to do prior to college to be ready for a BFA program....training in voice, dance, and acting, and production experiences. These can be had in so many different ways. Also, a summer intensive can't substitute for training year round. For instance, if someone wants music theory or piano at their summer program, then look for a program that offers it, but three weeks per year is not going to cut it in those skill areas, and so while it is beneficial to do an intensive to concentrate on those skills, those are ongoing lessons one should try to do throughout the year. </p>

<p>KatMT, I am glad you mentioned Walnut Hill as it is another very good program. Pre-college programs often are for the summer prior to senior year, and I think if one is going to do an intensive theater program, there are many out there that are offered for more than just that particular year in one's life. </p>

<p>I think there are some real plusses in summer intensives, though overall, I think there are many ways to piece together training, and also to do theater productions. For my child, on the production front, the youth productions and the intensity of the rehearsal process and the level of the whole deal at her summer program, along with the talent, wasn't like any youth productions we have locally (which for us, in terms of youth theater, there are just school shows....though my kid was in adult shows regionally as well). So, that opportunity at the summer program is an example of seeking something elsewhere that you can't get at home. Our high school has no drama classes and so again, the summer intensive had acting classes, and a chance to do what she couldn't do at home. It also is nice to experience different teachers than back home. For instance, in dance, it was cool every summer to learn from others than the home dance teachers as each person you work with can offer you something a bit different. </p>

<p>Anyway, the main thing about planning a summer is to seek out opportunities that fit your interests, wants, needs, and budget. All paths have their plusses and so many can lead to the desired goals. In my opinion, as well as in my experience, picking the program just because you want to do it, rather than what it will lead to later, is a good enough or even better reason!</p>

<p>Susan</p>

<p>I think whats most important is what the student wants to do and expense. My S would have been happy doing ANYTHING involving MT. Because we weren't in a position to afford expensive summer programs, he always did community theater. One summer he did three shows. Although it wasn't a "program" he learned much from other more experienced performers. While he has had some dance classes he probably learned more dance from community theater. He also worked and continued his voice lessons. As has been said above these programs aren't neccessary for college acceptance, but if in your community or HS there isn't much opportunity for acting classes, etc. the summer programs would probably help alot. Fortunately in our community and HS there is alot of training opportunities. Although I think the live-away aspect is a particuarly valuable life experience, one which I wish I could have afforeded for my S, I think it would have been broadening (sp?) and maturing. I always belive the more experiences in life a young person has allows them to bring more to the table and enriches their character understanding in performance.</p>

<p>Hi SeasonsofLuv,
my daughter is also a sophomore this year. We have been asking the same questions as you have.
She has decided to audition for a summer programfor the following reasons:</p>

<p>1.) It will give her a chance to see what she is up against (as soozievt was saying) because she is considered very talented here in our local community (cast in lead roles, being asked to sing for different events, etc..). My D says this is very important to her to see what the talent is like around the country to see if she really has <em>what it takes</em> to make a career out of this.</p>

<p>2.) I personally think this is a wonderful way for her to get a feel for what college life might be like...particularly in a BFA program. </p>

<p>3.) My D says that she grows a little each time she goes out of town by herself. She says that it will also be fun to be with so many kids that share her same passion. </p>

<p>Hope this helps! </p>

<p>Adriane</p>

<p>Thank you so much, everyone! I'm certain that I want to go away this summer, and I've narrowed down a list of 12 programs to 3: UPenn Summer Theatre Workshop, Center for Creative Youth, and Carnegie Mellon Drama. I'll be meandering in the summer programs thread for more info about each of these programs, especially UPenn and CCY, but if anyone has had experience with these programs, I'd love input!</p>

<p>Thanks!</p>

<p>~ SeasonsofLuv23</p>