Summer Math Classes at Community College??

<p>My brother is currently a freshman in a northern NJ public high school and is enrolled in geometry. he has a great passion for math and would like to study it more. he has the opportunity to take algebra 2 at County College of Morris over the summer. </p>

<p>he would like to do this so next year he would be able to double up with Pre-Calculus Honors and AP Stats. This would also allow him to take chemistry. Would this be a good idea or would this be a waste of time and money? </p>

<p>Would classes at a community college be harder/easier/the same as a high school class? Also, if he were to do this then he would have only one more course to take (Calculus) and he would take it junior year so senior year he would have to either self-study or independent study an advanced math class. </p>

<p>So my essential question is would it be beneficial for him to take algebra 2 over the summer at a community college? What would be the pros and cons of this decision?Will this look good for colleges?</p>

<p>Well, I did a Summer Semester at a community college and currently about to finish up with my Fall Semester, so I might can answer a few questions! (Currently a senior and graduating once I finish with the Fall courses in early December)</p>

<p>“Would this be a good idea or would this be a waste of time and money?” If you are referring to the CC classes being a waste of time and money—The money aspect of it would depend if you have to pay for the classes or not because there is Financial Aid available. The time aspect of it would be your brother’s decision. Does he want to use his Summer for a class that would then allow him to take 3 additional classes the following school year, 2 of them being in the Math section? I would say…“Go for it!” Especially since you mentioned this: “he has a great passion for math and would like to study it more.” </p>

<p>“Would classes at a CC be harder/easier/the same as a high school class?”— Well, that depends on the college itself and its curriculum compared to his high school classes and their rigor. Personally, I found them to be a little tougher (because they expect a little more from you since it is college, not high school) but at the same time, I did learn much more in a shorter period of time than I did in some of my high school classes. E.g.: I finished up my Physics a week ago (a high school class) and around half of what I learned from that class, I learned in my Bio 101 (CC class) in less than 3 weeks. My advice for this question: Ask an admissions advisor at the CC or a teacher of that subject about the details of taking Alg. 2 and what it will cover/entail, and then ask whoever the teacher of the class would be at his high school. That should clear it up a bit about which one would be “harder/easier/the same as a high school class.” </p>

<p>“So my essential question is would it be beneficial for him to take algebra 2 over the summer at a community college?”— Sounds like it to me. I mean, if taking one Math class during the Summer would open up 3 more classroom doors for him, 2 of them being his passion, that following school year, then yes.</p>

<p>“What would be the pros and cons of this decision”— That would take some research on his part to decide on what the pros and cons would be. (I don’t know his exact situation, how his high school will view it, blah blah blah). I do know this: —Pros: 1) Getting to take 3 more classes the following school year. 2) Having AP classes AND college classes on the same transcript application for college. 3) Usually during the Summer Semester, there aren’t but around 1/4 of the students attending because it is optional, so there would be a great opportunity for some 1-on-1 help from a teacher if you need it. 4) There is an option to take it online. (Colleges would vote for an on-campus class, but it is his decision)— Cons: 1) Taking a class in the Summer. (Some people cherish their breaks, so that depends on him) 2)…I can’t think of anymore :(</p>

<p>“Will this look good for colleges?” — Yes, it will, as long as he gets a good grade in it and can possibly score a great recommendation from the teacher!</p>

<p>I say all of this from my personal experience: 16, graduating with honors next month, 30 high school credits, and 13 college credits from attending a Summer and Fall semester.</p>

<p>Bam! I’m done and answered all of your questions! :)</p>

<p>WOW THANKS!</p>

<p>That was EXTREMELY helpful!</p>

<p>You said that there are fall classes? is there an option at most CC to take classes during the school year? And in your experience did you take the classes right after school or at like 6pm? Or were they on the weekend?</p>

<p>Thanks again</p>

<p>Glad it helped ya! Took long enough to think, answer, and type all of that. Haha! Plus, I saw where noone had answered yet :wink: </p>

<p>“Are there Fall classes?” — Yes. There is a Spring Semester, Summer Semester, and a Fall Semester. Two semesters is the equivalent of one college year, so that’s why most students tend to take a Fall and a Spring Semester, skipping Summer. <em>Certain classes are only available during a certain semester, so keep that in mind</em></p>

<p>“Is there an option at most CC’s to take classes during the school year?” — There is a program at my CC called Middle College. It’s where a student can take the regular courses in addition to the CC classes. Then there is a program called Dual Enrollment. That program is based where the student can take an English 101 class (I’m using that as an example) and gain college AND high school credit for it. Eligibility for DE will not (typically) be considered until the student is a Junior, allowing the student to be enrolled for DE so that when he/she graduates HS, he/she will have the equivalent of two years of a Bachelor’s Degree complete. To directly answer the question: Yes, BUT this all has to get reviewed by both the GC and/or the principal at the high school and an Admissions Advisor and/or the Dean of whichever studies program he decides on. The high school and the college both have to be on equal and understanding terms. Depending on what is decided/agreed upon, he may end up with two transcripts instead of having both of the reporting grades on one solid transcript, which is very common if he is enrolled in MC (Middle College). That’s how mine is; I am going to have a high school transcript and a college transcript. Don’t worry, college admissions will NOT think anything about it. </p>

<p>“In your experience, did you take the classes right after school or at like 6pm?” — Remember this important thing: College classes are NOT tailored to his high school class schedule. Taking CC classes is an option/privilege and they do not set there class times up to be flexible for every high school and the high schools class times. Also, that is where which program he decides upon comes into affect. (I’ll explain at the latter part of the post). </p>

<p>“Were they on the weekend?” — It isn’t very often that there are classes held on the weekends…it’s actually rare, tbh. The CC I attend is a Monday-Thursday college, and classes usually meet only twice a week, or one day a week, but for an extended period of time to make up for the other day. The classes that are held on the weekends tend to be research classes that are optional or classes that are on a different caliber than others.</p>

<p>Please keep in mind that he has to check what programs there are and what programs he is eligible for. I do not know if the two programs that I have mentioned are offered or not. Either way, here is some information about both and this should somewhat answer the question about what time I took mine and what times he will/may have to take his. (If he takes any at all): —</p>

<p>Middle College: A student takes community college classes IN ADDITION TO the regular, required high school classes. This also means that the student will have to consult the CC’s admission advisor as to what classes and times are flexible and available for the student. <em>I had to take the college placement exam before I was able to enroll and be eligible for certain classes. If he scores below the requirements for a class that will transfer and be credited for, he will have to take prerequisites first. Prerequisites do NOT transfer nor do they get awarded credit upon completion.</em> <— That same statement in “*” also applies to Dual Enrollment.</p>

<p>Dual Enrollment: A student takes classes at a community college that will earn credit for the high school requirements AND earn credits towards the basics for a degree. The student may either take the classes online, on-campus, or the teacher(s) will come to the high school and teach the class, but that would be a different program in which the high school hosts. DE class times usually means that the student can take the English 101 class (using that as an example again) at whatever time the college is offering it, or whatever time the student chooses, mainly because it IS counting as high school credit also. Basically it means this: The student is earning both credits, so the high school generally lets the student fill in that class spot with the class at the CC. </p>

<p><strong>I forgot to mention this in my previous post</strong> — Summer Semesters are tough. The time frame of the semester is shorter than the Spring and Fall ones, BUT they still try to fit the same amount of information into the Summer. Summer Semesters are usually between 10-12 weeks (and somewhat often between 8-11 weeks), and the Spring and Fall ones range from 15-17 weeks (and somewhat often between 16-17). In each semester, there is at least one break. (Fall break, Spring break, Summer break.) With the two breaks in the Summer, 4th of July break and Summer break, the semester was 9 weeks for me, instead of the typical 15 week Spring and Fall semester, including the two breaks. It was 14 weeks of information packed into 8 weeks. (Finals are on the last week of the Semester: 15 week semester - one week of finals = 14 weeks of information learned.) It isn’t uncommon to breeze right through 3-4 chapters in one class during the Summer and have a test the next time class meets. ALSO, the classes meet for a longer time frame than usual to meet the time requirements. My Summer classes were each 2.6 hours long. If your brother can handle learning Alg. 2 quickly and comprehend it in that time frame, then the Summer Alg. 2 class would be fine for him.</p>

<p>thank you again!</p>

<p>You were extremely helpful!!!</p>

<p>Your welcome! If you have anymore questions about CC or anything related to that matter, just post it back here or message me! :)</p>

<p>Alright i have another question haha…</p>

<p>I’m not entirely sure if if the CC courses will gain him credit for his high school. Do all high schools accept credit from enrichment programs at CC or just some? Also, if the CC courses don’t give him credit what are some other options that could give him credit for a whole year, (self-study, online courses…) Im not sure if any of these options give credit. Thanks again</p>

<p>“Do all high schools accept credit from enrichment programs” — He may take classes at a CC that are credited for high school ONLY IF he is enrolled in a program that his high school accepts by the CC in place of certain classes and there is a mutual agreement on both parties. </p>

<p>“Also, if the CC courses don’t give him credit what are some other options that could give him credit for a whole year?” — All CC classes award college credit at the end of the semester if the student passes. If the CC classes award him credit for high school, well, again, that depends on the program, the classes he chooses, and most importantly, if his high school will allow it.</p>

<p>There is the option where he can take the CC classes IN ADDITION TO his regular high school classes. That option usually requires the high schools permission, but that should be no problem as long as it doesn’t conflict. Then, he may take whatever class(es) he chooses with the help of an advisor, and gain college credit for it.</p>

<p>A lot of this he will have to figure out on his own or consult an admissions rep. about and his high schools GC and/or principle. It’s not that difficult at all, I figured out what I wanted to take, what I would need for those classes, and how to pick class times that wouldn’t interrupt my HS work–All of that when I was 15. The college advisors are more than willing to help him with the process and tell him exactly what he needs to know and do.</p>

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<p>He recently talked to his guidance counselor and they are allowing him to skip algebra 2 but they will not give him credit. If he passes the final exam they will move him up to pre-calculus. My question is would having algebra 2 not show up on his transcript look bad for colleges, he is extremely smart and will probably be looking at top colleges.</p>

<p>Would he be taking Alg. II at the CC? Or just exempting the course altogether?
“If he passes the final exam, they will move him up to pre-cal.” — Passes the final for what course? Geometry? </p>

<p>“Would having Alg. II not show up on his transcript look bad for colleges?” —That depends. If you mean not having it show up on his HS transcript, but having it on his CC transcript, he will be fine, possibly better. Some say CC courses are about the equivalent of an AP HS course or a regular university course depending on the level of it. </p>

<p>If he wants to pursue a Math oriented major or any major where math is a large portion, it’s best to start out early like he is doing and exhaust every possible opportunity there is available. I graduated with 5.5 years of Math, which was from taking every possible math course that I could. </p>

<p>Honestly, why skip Alg. II if he has a passion for it? How would skipping the course benefit him? Even if credit isn’t awarded, wouldn’t he want to take the course? —Those are some questions I’m sure the admissions officers would ask. </p>

<p>I had to go and reread all of this lol. Glad he did take the step and talk with his GC :)</p>