<p>Just wondering if doing a summer program like Simons or Rockefeller University is enough to get to semis of either of these. Obviously I wouldn't just be applying for the awards but I would like to know how much extra work I would need to put in to do alright in either competition.</p>
<p>The confusing thing is that on the Simons online app. it makes you check a box saying that I understand that this program will not be enough for competitions like INTEL and Siemens without significant "extra work" with your mentor and yet something like 34 of their kids last year went semis in INTEL. Did they just all do this extra work? Is 7 weeks enough?</p>