<p>Hahaha in response to lethal, I meant directory lists as in email lists. secshisuhee is my email account too so I end up never getting my emails.</p>
<p>And nope, my real name is definitely not secshisuhee. My real name is Juhee.</p>
<p>In my city, we have eight testing centers. And breaks for SATs are standardized. Everybody should have the same number of breaks for the same length of time in between the same sections.</p>
<p>Yay! Due to ssp, I got more facebook friends.</p>
<p>By the way,
Do you guys think it's too late if I ask Mr. Bowdon if I could apply for financial aid??</p>
<p>My policy is it's never too late!</p>
<p>For anything!</p>
<p>This is why I turn in all of my homework assignments late >.<</p>
<p>But especially for financial aid, I'd ask. If you're already accepted, he can't kick you out for asking for monaayyyss</p>
<p>lol. that true.</p>
<p>Oh by the way guys,</p>
<p>you should add me on fb.</p>
<p>search me through my email: <a href="mailto:secshisuhee@gmail.com">secshisuhee@gmail.com</a></p>
<p>In regards to asking for financial aid now ... can you be serious - don't look a gift horse in the mouth. </p>
<p>I guess anyone can ask about anything but if you take a brief moment to read from the SSP web site you would see that the same deadlines apply for FA thus you are about a month too late. </p>
<p>On another topic regarding acceptances to summer programs, for those students who have already accepted into SSP (or any other program) I don't know if it is within the SSP "Code of Honor" to be also considering or planning on attending any other summer program other than the one you have already replied and commited to. </p>
<p>Over the years SSP has developed high expectations and standards. They have developed a legacy of academic and personal integrity and for honesty, trust and respect .... Read the student manual for the "Code of Honor" and "Code of Conduct" before you decide if you are up these high standards since a few of the comments from the past few weeks makes it appear questionable for some. </p>
<p>SSP is the top rung of the ladder as far as summer programs and should not be compared to MITS, YESS, even RSI and especially such lame brain camps like TASS / TASP or many of the other summer camps widely available.</p>
<p>If you are so fortunate to be offered the chance to attend - then read the above mentioned Codes in the handbook and if you have within you the personal character, integrity and drive then go and don't look back. If you are lacking in ANY of these areas then spend your summer elsewhere so you do not dillute the experience for others and let someone get off of the waitlist to have that opportunity.</p>
<p>^ haha ... uh</p>
<p>Before I argue...</p>
<p>Hi Elrod! What campus are you going to?!</p>
<p>The Code of Honor and the Code of Conduct refers to what we do when we are on campus at Ojai or Socorro. Nothing about what we decide to do before that. </p>
<p>What gives you the right to tell people not to go to summer programs for not having character or integrity? </p>
<p>Yes, the application for financial aid was supposed to be included with the admissions packet. But does it really hurt to ask? It'll take maybe a minute of Mr. Bowdon's time to email him back a no. Or maybe somebody will be kind-hearted enough to give it some consideration.</p>
<p>Why does it matter to you whether or not someone needs money to go to SSP? Do you know those circumstances too?</p>
<p>But yes, I have to agree on just one thing.</p>
<p>Looking back, I realized that the advice I gave to eternally was not in any way, good advice. I wasn't thinking about the waitlisted applicants waiting for a chance. I was being one-sided, and so I was wrong.</p>
<p>Lying about your decision to enroll is despicable. </p>
<p>And so I hope eternally does go to SSP.
But is it my place to judge her for not going? No.</p>
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If you are so fortunate to be offered the chance to attend
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It seems like you have a great appreciation for admission to SSP, but this attitude seems a bit extreme. Yes, we are privileged to have been chosen but it's a summer camp run not for the purpose of being prestigious but to extend scientific learning...and Mr. Bowdon has made it completely clear that they will do the best to let EVERYONE who deserves this have the experience, and if financial aid needed, they will strive to fulfill that need. If they cannot, a simple and quick "no" will suffice and at least that question is definitively answered, and the applicant will decide whether or not they can go based on that answer--no harm done to anyone. SSP is not out to prove that they are morally superior to others or that their program is better than RSI or TASP or other "lame brain programs." Circumstances for each individual change--financially, preferentially, etc. SSP does not want to keep an impeccable record, but to help students pursue their interest. So if your interest is somewhere else, I'd like to think that they would rather you pursue that instead, even if you have to break a commitment (which I think none of us had). Waitlisted applicants are no less qualified than people who got in the regular round, and it is seems a bit condescending to say that they should be flattered and lucky to have been graced by an acceptance to this wonderful "top rung of the ladder" program.</p>
<p>Sorry because this was probably unnecessarily wordy.</p>
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If you are so fortunate to be offered the chance to attend - then read the above mentioned Codes in the handbook and if you have within you the personal character, integrity and drive then go and don't look back. If you are lacking in ANY of these areas then spend your summer elsewhere so you do not dillute the experience for others
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Also, another point: You seem to require that those who attend SSP be perfect, intellectually, morally, and socially. Another point of sleepaway camp is for students getting ready for college to learn and improve and strive intellectually and to learn more about their integrity, etc. If your program, elite college, prep school, or other group activity specifically requires these factors to be absolute in each participant, then you will most likely have no members. No one is perfect but we are all willing to learn from each other and take away something from an experience such as SSP, and many of these experiences have nothing to do with the intended topic (science) but with life lessons in socializing, integrity, etc. The pamphlet tells us to try out best to strive for integrity, drive, and personal character, but in no way does it demand perfect and in no way does it discourage someone who realizes that he is not perfect but wants to improve himself from attending. Far from dilluting the experience for others, learning from each others' mistakes and seeing our own is the best way to learn. Otherwise, an experience that is strictly academic would be unnecessarily boring.</p>
<p>Hey waitlisters, do we get our campus assignment with the packet they mail us? I am curious to know where i will be going.</p>
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If you are so fortunate to be offered the chance to attend - then read the above mentioned Codes in the handbook and if you have within you the personal character, integrity and drive then go and don't look back. If you are lacking in ANY of these areas then spend your summer elsewhere else
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<p>There is nobody in this thread who does not possess a sense of personal character, integrity, and drive. The applicant pool for SSP itself is very self-selective. Just to apply is to show drive.
You imply that there are people who don't have such qualities. I am sure that everybody has had lapses in his or her behavior/judgement at some point. We are human. We are not perfect. However, this does not mean that we are lacking in any of the mentioned categories.</p>
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SSP is the top rung of the ladder as far as summer programs and should not be compared to MITS, YESS, even RSI and especially such lame brain camps like TASS / TASP or many of the other summer camps widely available.
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<p>SSP is a wonderful program. I am extremely happy that I'm going this summer, and I wouldn't exchange it for anything, but I have to say, your rejection of programs such as TASP shows your close-minded thinking. Yes, TASP allows everybody who is a junior to apply and be considered. But the sheer number of essays greatly reduces the number of potential applicants. TASP is a humanities program. It is focused on student/teacher interaction and high-powered, intelligent discussions, and is extremely reputable as turning points for many of the attendees lives. I don't see how this in any way, sets it on a lower place than SSP.
What do you mean when you say a "lame brain" camp?
Are you possibly referring to the fact that TASP is not centered on "hard" science? </p>
<p>Your denunciation of the other programs is also uncalled for. Unless you have attended each and every single one of them, you are unqualified to make such a statement.</p>
<p>Jeez Elrod...I'm pretty sure you violated the code of honor right there in that post. "...live together, interact and learn more from one another in ways that protect both personal freedom and community standards" - you disrespected the personal freedom to pursue ones own academic preferences when you labeled TASP as a "lame-brain camp".</p>
<p>Moral conceit is a contradiction in terms.</p>
<p>Anyway, on another note. That thing about SAT breaks is confusing me. In India there's only a handful of testing centers, just one per major city - big hassel if you don't get a place locally - and a bunch of my friends who took the test in another city said they gave two 5 minutes breaks and two 1 minute breaks. In my city they give 2 five minute breaks only - not a big difference, but still. For a 3hr45min test I'd like all I can get.</p>
<p>They should give 5 minutes after EVERY SECTION dude! Ideal. Sleep...</p>
<p>i'll start with what secshisuhee said:
Hi Elrod! What campus are you going to?!
or are you an alumnus or applying later?</p>
<p>oh dearie me. i'm not here for a week, and i'm being bashed a few times over.</p>
<p>i'm not lying about my decision to attend, i very definitely will be.
however, there is a small chance that i will be asked to give up all my other summer engagements. a very small chance, not much of one (about 1/24, but the other 24 are INSANELY qualified. INSANELY).
i apologize to all the waitlisted applicants. i really am sorry. like you, this is what i really want to do over my summer. i realize this is a little unfair, but i did what i could, under the circumstances. not the best justification, i realize, but hey.</p>
<p>secshisuhee, about your name. strangely enough, i always thought that it was a cute way of saying sexy suhee. :P</p>
<p>lethal_teapot: i disagree with you about the breaks. 5 minutes after every second would make it a nearly 5 hour test. i do NOT have the patience for a 5 hour SAT. oh the horror!</p>
<p>actually, "five minutes after every second" would make it very long indeed...very long indeed...</p>
<p>Besides, eternally, i'm jolly curious what this other summer engagement of yours is. How can they force you to give up all your other plans without even telling you your decision?</p>
<p>wow. how did this serious conversation about code of honor happen? </p>
<p>=O</p>
<p>Hahaha yay eternally was right!
Yeah in korea, when they say "sexy" they say "secshi", so my best friend made it secshisuhee.
And suhee is an old nickname of mine.
Ahh.. the joy of explaining to someone who understands :)</p>
<p>HAHAHAHAHAHA yes, five minutes after every second WOULD be an extremely long, tedious test. Oh man...</p>
<p>Proctor: When I say stop, you must put your pencils down. Good luck. The test begins... NOWSTOP
Students: ...?!</p>
<p>Well whatever happens eternally, GOOD LUCK!!!</p>