SUNY Admissions Favor Out of State

Colleges and Universities A-Z SUNY - General
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<p>SUNYs are apparently allowing in out of state students with lower SATs/GPAs than in-state, and giving them bargain tuition for out of state. In state people -- write your state legislature/governor and complain. The small out of state differentical pails in comparison to the 8.4 Billion in state funding. We pay some of the highest taxes in the country to educate kids from NJ and Conn. </p>

<p>Write now -- talk to your friends -- the OOS students are being mobilized by the sunys -- </p>

<p>In these difficult economic times, it is a disgrace that SUNY gives preference to out of state students and charges them below market tuition. While the tuition for out of state students is more than in-state (13k v. 7K, tuition only), it is still appreciable less than what most state universities charge. For example, Rutgers charges about 20K for tuition for instate students. To add insult to injury, out of state students are admitted to SUNYS with appreciably lower SATs and GPAs than instate students. This is unacceptable. This does not enhance any diversity – most of the out of state students are from states like New Jersey and Connecticut and are not appreciably different from New York students. I can understand that the SUNYs want to be more national, but in these terrible economic times, it is not the time to allow out of state students preference. </p>

<p>By giving preference to out of state students, the SUNYs are leaving New York residents with the choice of attending community colleges (even as is generally the case, the SATS and GPAS of in state applicants are higher than the out of state applicants admitted at these bargain rates to the 4 year SUNY colleges) or expensive private or out of state colleges (which charge out of state students much more than NY does). The benefit that the SUNY colleges receive from the out of state tuition is far far less than the burden New York state residents, including your constituents, bear to find another college. </p>

<p>Many other states’ universities are increasing out of state students in these difficult economic times, in order to increase tuition income. But other states are not giving away spots to out of state students at severely below market tuition rates. </p>

<p>Each SUNY now discloses the average SAT and GPA of admitted students. You should demand that this be disclosed separately, by each SUNY college, for in-state versus out of state students. You should also demand a summary of tuition rates for out of states students for nearby states, e.g. Pennsylvania, Connecticut. </p>

<p>Many SUNYs, including Purchase, routinely put out of state students ahead of instate for dorm rooms. Some SUNYs, I believe Oswego, have scholarships reserved for out of state students.</p>

<p>If the out of state students will not pay the market, then the in state students should have these spots. It is not enough to give SUNYs the power to charge out of state residents more, they have no incentive to bring fairness to the table – to them a student is a student. To you, some students are residents. Their response may very well be to charge the out of state student $15,000, again, below market, and to admit them with much lower SATs and GPAs. </p>

<p>I would suggest that in these difficult budget times, you tell the SUNYs that if they want New Jersey and Connecticut students, they look to the New Jersey and Connecticut legislature for funding and pay the state rent</p>

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<p>I feel your pain, my IS kid was deferred at Bing with same stats as some OOS admittees. But she did get into three other SUNYs so she isn't being denied a low cost education. The percentage of OOS students is low at Bing so a lot of those kids are choosing to go elsewhere anyway - so I'm not sure in reality how many NY kids are being "displaced".</p>

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<p>Muffy, if the SUNYs would release those numbers, then we would know. Why wont they? And I suspect the 2009 year will be different with many kids from Nj, Pa, etc looking for affordbilty. </p>

<p>BTW, my D did get accepted into her first choice, but the high schools GC is shocked at some of the SUNY rejections. If even one IS is displaced for an OOS, it is not right. Our tax dollars should mean something. Theydont to the SUNy admin. This requires a political solution. That 8.4Billion NY gives sunys is a lot of money.</p>

<p>I just finished my NY state income tax return. Why am I subsidizing NJ, Pa etc with lower SATs/GPAS. This will only devaule our kids diplomas.</p>

<p>Write to your local representatives. Maybe they can influence the wait list kids. The adcom people do not seem to understand where that 8.4 billion comes from.</p>

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<p>If I lived in PA, NJ, CT or VT or MA I'd rather go to my own state flagship than a SUNY. More school spirit, things to do nearby. So NY has to make the price somewhat attractive. I think it is still cheaper to go instate than SUNY for those neighboring states. But I agree that statistics for IS and OOS admissions should be made known to taxpayers.</p>

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<p>"I feel your pain, my IS kid was deferred at Bing with same stats as some OOS admittees. But she did get into three other SUNYs so she isn't being denied a low cost education."</p>

<p>That may be true, but if IS Bing/Geneseo students are being bumped down to New Paltz or Buffalo, when it all shakes out, IS students will be bumped from the lesser SUNYs. I'm not so worried about my D, but it's not fair to other IS students who might not have D's options.</p>

<p>I agree that many MA, PA, CT and VT students would prefer to attend their own state uni, but I'm not so sure about NJers; I believe Bing and Oneonta are particularly popular among NJ residents.</p>

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<p>Exactly NYC, that is why all NY residents/taxpayers should write their elected officials and demand that SUNY not favor OOS. </p>

<p>Below are links to Assembly, Senate and Gov. </p>

<p>Do it now, you, your parents, your neighbors are paying taxes and the SUNYS have the gall to give preference to OOS> </p>

<p><a href="http://assembly.state.ny.us/mem/%5B/url%5D"&gt;http://assembly.state.ny.us/mem/&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p>

<p><a href="http://www.senate.state.ny.us/senatehomepage.nsf/senators?OpenForm%5B/url%5D"&gt;http://www.senate.state.ny.us/senatehomepage.nsf/senators?OpenForm&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p>

<p><a href="http://www.ny.gov/governor/contact/index.html%5B/url%5D"&gt;http://www.ny.gov/governor/contact/index.html&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p>

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<p>nyc, for NJ kids SUNYs were a good option. In fact one of the SUNYs that we visited bragged to us in their admissions office that our OOS kid could attend for about the same price as our instate public schools in NJ. That was before the increase this year. I don't think that they will be as attractive this year as our instate schools to the lower and middle class student. I do believe that SUNYs will remain attractive to the upper middle class family that can afford the extra 3k or so over our instate schools, but do not qualify for FA at private schools.</p>

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<p>I would be very interested in seeing a link or two to sources that prove the contention that SUNYs really admit "out-of-state students... with appreciably lower SATs and GPAs than instate students."</p>

<p>I don't know that this is actually the case, at least not in a statistically meaningful way. Furthermore, at many/most SUNYs -- Plattsburgh being a notable exception -- OOS students comprise a very tiny percentage of the student body. A couple of years ago Geneseo, for example, had only 60 or so OOS students, although the percentage has increased a little recently.</p>

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<p>2009 is shaping up to be a very unusual year -- many families are looking for value. It would be easy for SUNY admin to release the info, but they dont want to. Lets guess why not. </p>

<p>Thank you Norheast for that comment. It galls me, I know how much NY tax I pay every year.</p>

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<p>Have your son or daughter call and talk to your assemblyman, senator, whoever. I am pretty sure by law that you are allowed the opportunity to talk to at least your assemblyman. I think this will draw some attention if kids do the dirty work. I am calling Bill Magnarelli monday.</p>

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<p>Good, pass the message to all your friends. Remeber OOS is so much more expnesive for our kids who want to go to Uconn, Penn State and Rutgers than vice versa. The SUNY Adcom people will give a bunch of rationale (diversity, etc) all of which can be refuted. SUNY degrees are being devalued.</p>

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<p>while you're at it, you may as well add in that the bball program is bringing in kids who barely graduated HS as well.....and are they on full rides? that would be a bigggg problem if they made freshman space for them as well....</p>

<p>Welcome to Div I sports.......</p>

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<p>if people want to contact their legislators about an issue that truly has an enormous impact directly on all of the sunys and the quality of the education that they will be able to provide --</p>

<p>the sunys have suffered large BUDGET CUTS -- ie they are having to make CUTS in their operating budgets. and then to add insult to injury, the state kept 90% of the tuition increase that went into effect this spring -- ie only 10% of the additional tuition money goes back to the sunys to be used for the operations. </p>

<p>this issue affects EVERY suny school and EVERY suny student -- current and future, in state, OSS, urm, athlete, scholar, first generation, middle class - EVERYONE since it directly affects the quality of education they can provide -- its hard to maintain quality when you have to deal with millions of dollars worth of BUDGET CUTS. this also has the potential to affect the future economy of the state as if affects the education received by many NYS students who may have no financial options to go elsewhere.</p>

<p>this year's budget has already passed -- but the issue remains for the future. the percentage of OOS is still fairly low across the sunys. the approximately 90+% instate students suny-wide stand to loose a lot more if the budget cuts continue than if the number of OOS rises slightly. </p>

<p>and for those of you who are so concerned about the OOS issue -- realize that increased economic difficulties will just increase the incentive to admit higher paying OOS, especially if their tuition is increased even further.</p>

<p>don't ignore the forest for the trees!</p>

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<p>The purpose of the SUNY education system is to educate state residents. Not to make money. If the expense exceeds their budget, than the only logical thing to do is to raise BOTH in state and OOS tuition. It is that simple. If a college wants to expand their horizons and create more diversity, then the college should go private or be placed under charter.</p>

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the only logical thing to do is to raise BOTH in state and OOS tuition.

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<p>it was a logical thing for suny to do -- and this spring it raised both in state and OOS tuition -- OOS by a far greater amount. the illogical part was the state allowing only 10% of that increase to be kept by the sunys to help make up for the state budget cuts. the tuition increase was in essence a "tax" by the state to bring in more revenue for itself. not "tuition" in the sense of money that goes to help a school function.</p>

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<p>i would like to know everyones thoughts on college. I just graduated and seem to be wondering why i ever went to college in the first place. I am had to take a loan out for school and now find myself without a job. I have applied and I lack the experience need to get these jobs. I am losing jobs to people who barely graduated high school but they have the experience. My personal opinion is that i just wasted 4 years of experience to gain and found myslef in some debt. Just wondering everyones views</p>

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<p>Exactly and that is why NYS is digging themselves into an even deeper hole.</p>

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<p>Money is fungible. The state provides 8.4 billion to the SuNYs -- the tuition raise was less than 200 million. To say the state "kept" the tuition increase is ludicrous -- one could just as easily say the state reduced its funding to "only" 8.2Billion. The state continues to lose money on SUNY -- it does not tax it. Not that I expect SUNY to make money, of course not. But to say, it "kept" the tuition increase is looking at less than 200 million -- not the 8.4 funding.</p>

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<p>i have to point out -- i think you 8.4 billion figure may be wrong. from what i saw at the suny website you may have picked up the total budget figure NOT the state contribution. (i am not trying to be beligerent -- its just your number is not consistent with what i've seen).</p>

<p>when faced with the state BUDGET CUTS, suny took the very responsible step of raising tuition -- then AFTER suny voted to do so, the state chose to keep 90% of that increase. suny was trying to do something to help itself meet the state's budget cuts -- the state saw the tuition increase as a chance to grab even more money away from the sunys.</p>

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<p>The Executive Budget recommends $8.4 billion All Funds ($2.8 billion
General Fund and $5.6 billion Other Funds) for the State University of
New York. </p>

<p>I am sorry that many people in SUNY administration do not realise its mission is to educate New Yorkers -- and that they are on their way to alienating what should be a constituency that advocates for them.</p>