<p>I am interested in going to school in New York and was wondering how generous the SUNYs are with aid and admission for OOS students. My EFC is probably 0 so I'm wondering if I should even apply to any. If so, which would you recommend and if not, what would be viable alternatives? Thank you!</p>
<p>They are not generous to OOS students, though they are on the lower end of costs for OOS students. Here is Geneseo’s Section H from their Common Data Set. <a href=“http://www.geneseo.edu/webfm_send/9301”>http://www.geneseo.edu/webfm_send/9301</a> You can see the average merit award (non-need) is fairly low.</p>
<p>My friend’s son from OOS received $3,000 in merit from Binghamton. They don’t qualify for FA. SUNY OOS cost is very good compared to most others, even without money. You may want to check out the lesser known SUNYS such as Fredonia and Brockport. </p>
<p>NY is a fairly large state, and depending on where you are, a neighboring state may be closer that the other side of NY state. </p>
<p>Can you please explain why you are interested in going to school in NY state, particularly since you are OOS? If we understand the rationale, perhaps we can help you w other options. What state (or country) are you presently a resident?</p>
<p>what is your home state? stats? major?</p>
<p>Publics charge high OOS rates because your parents dont pay taxes there. It wouldnt make sense for them to cover those high OOS rates with need-based aid…why bother raising the rates if it means dipping into limited funds and handing out to random OOS students??</p>
<p>If your stats are high enough, then sometimes an OOS public can justify giving you some merit. </p>
<p>SUNY aid is largely Pell grants (for low income) and TAP grants (NY residents) and loans/work-study. </p>
<p>You would likely be given a federal Pell grant of 5700 and a loan of 5500…but that would only cover about 1/3 of the OOS costs. You couldnt come up with the other 18k+…unless your stats are high and you got a huge merit award.</p>
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<p>Binghamton gives very few students merit aid, instate or out-of-state. From the Common Data Set for 2013, 68 out of 2633 freshmen without financial need received merit aid in 2013, average amount $3,175.</p>
<p>Other SUNYs are more generous with merit aid.</p>
<p>If only 68 out of 2633 frosh got merit, then that is likely the top few percent of test scorers at the school…including those who were given talent (art, music/theater performance awards). and the amount given, is small.</p>
<p>I don’t know how often the SUNY schools give merit to OOS kids- I just know that my friend’s son received a small amount. The price came down to about $28,000, which is still higher than in-state which is about $21,000 for Bing. </p>
<p>In 2008, my CA daughter received full tuition from SUNY Buffalo. We paid room and board which was considerably less in NY than in California. I think she received 28k per year.</p>
<p>Thank you all! Looks like the SUNYs might not be a great option. Any other ideas? @gmtplus7 @mom2collegekids the reason NY is so appealing to me is the atmosphere and the opportunities, especially for me since I’m interested in Journalism and Marketing. My state (Utah) doesn’t have a ton of major opportunities (IMO) and I want to branch out and try something new. I am considering some schools in Pennsylvania and Massachusetts too. Here are my condensed stats, for reference:
ACT: 32 and 11W (retaking)
GPA: 3.98 UW
APs: Jr.: APUSH (4), Sr. yr.: Spanish, Lit, Gov, Stats, Psych
ECs: Lots of community service, specialized solo service projects, many DECA awards, work experience, good leadership.</p>
<p>The NE isnt good hunting grounds for large merit awards, but they can be good for large FA awards…BUT…do you have a noncustodial parent? If so, that can affect need based aid at the schools that give great aid. </p>
<p>what schools in PA? The state schools wont likely work. What MA schools? the privates? </p>
<p>Try the NPC on Mizzou’s website. </p>
<p>what do you plan to do with journalism and marketing? </p>
<p>No, my parents are married. University of Pennsylvania (reach, I know) and Carnegie Mellon. Boston University and Boston College are considerations. I’d like to work for a newspaper or simply be a marketer. I may end up starting my own business, who knows? Thanks, @mom2collegekids </p>
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<p>Do you mean Utah does not have a “ton of major opportunities” to study journalism in college? Or do you mean Utah does not have a “ton of major opportunities” to work in journalism? Or do you mean Utah does not have a “ton of major ECONOMIC opportunities” in general?</p>
<p>Some considerations:
- Journalism has changed so much in the last few years because of online media. Is the present reality of the profession in line with your image of it?<br>
- I sense you are confusing NY state w NYC. The rest of the state is nothing like the city.
- If it is general economic opportunity that is the issue, then consider which states’ economies are showing/shrinking: GDP growth in NY state has been sluggish.
<a href=“http://www.bea.gov/newsreleases/regional/gdp_state/gsp_newsrelease.htm”>http://www.bea.gov/newsreleases/regional/gdp_state/gsp_newsrelease.htm</a></p>
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- Public schools generally do not offer attractive aid to OOS students. There are a few notable exception of public that give full-tuition/full-ride scholarships to OOS applicants with high stats or are National Merit S/F. Take a look at the threads in the Financial Aid Forum
<a href=“Financial Aid and Scholarships - College Confidential Forums”>http://talk.collegeconfidential.com/financial-aid-scholarships/</a></p>
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<li><p>Did you take the PSAT yet in your junior year? If so, what is your junior year PSAT score? If is above 207 (Utah), you have a good shot at being named a National Merit semifinalist. This will open further opportunities for you.</p>
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<li>Look also at privates that give FA and/or merit aid:
<a href=“http://www.kiplinger.com/tool/college/T014-S001-kiplinger-s-best-values-in-private-colleges/index.php?table=prv_univ&state_code[]=ALL&id[]=none&sortby=non_nb_aid_p&sortorder=DESC”>http://www.kiplinger.com/tool/college/T014-S001-kiplinger-s-best-values-in-private-colleges/index.php?table=prv_univ&state_code[]=ALL&id[]=none&sortby=non_nb_aid_p&sortorder=DESC</a></li>
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<p>Thank you @gmtplus7! I meant that Utah doesn’t have a lot of opportunity as far as Journalism majors and Journalism careers. I think that in New York (regardless of proximity to NYC) I would have many more opportunities to intern and start a career that has a wider reach and would make more of an impact, if that makes sense. Utah seems to me to be disconnected from the rest of the country and world. Yeah, Journalism is a really changing field at the moment, but I truly love writing and I love current events, so I don’t really see how I could go wrong with Journalism. However, Marketing is still my first choice for a major and a career. My PSAT was not near 207 haha. Thank you for the information!</p>
<p>@VW1965 you can have internship and other opportunities w/o being in a college at that location. If you see where you will get great merit for your stats and see about professional development. You can then use the saved money for costs with professional development.</p>
<p>UA has a great school for business, Public Relations, and honors college. Great OOS scholarships. Your ACT + GPA would have you receive full tuition scholarship.</p>
<p>In NYC, I noticed the focus is so much on NYC in the news, you barely heard what went on in the rest of the country and the world. Maybe D.C. is similar, but more worldly.</p>
<p>Yes, DC is a GREAT place for internship opportunities. If u enjoy writing, look beyond journalism. There are think-tank organizations, NGOs, congressional offices, foreign service corp. They all need good writers. </p>
<p>DC area schools that spring immediately to mind:
Georgetown
GWU (right nxt door to State Dept)
American U
Catholic U</p>
<p>^I second Georgetown, GWU, and Amerian for an aspiring writer/journalist. To be a good journalist, you’d need to major in political science, economics, etc. (with a potential minor in African Amerian studies, Environmental Science, Science& Society, a specific language…, etc. if you wanted to “sell” yourself for niche markets or specific “pages” within websites/papers.) </p>
<p>Look for colleges that are strong in political science or economics.</p>
<p>What about Colgate, Occidental, Pitzer, Boston College, Tufts, Brandeis… I believe that they meet 100% need which would be ideal for an EFC zero/near zero and you’re definitely competitive for them.</p>
<p>For writing, Kenyon and Hamilton are the top.
For journalism, Mizzou of course, but also NYU or Northwestern.
For internships, UCincinnati and Northeastern come to mind as coop frontrunners.</p>
<p>Are you a boy or a girl? If a girl, look into the women’s colleges - in particular, Barnard, in NYC (admission to Columbia for journalism should be easier than from Utah if you do a good job at Barnard and take advantage of its amazing connections in the city to get internships in various PR firms/papers etc.)</p>
<p>Run the Net Price Calculators on all these college websites to see how much you’d be expected to pay. Each college will be different. Bring the results to your parents and see what they say about the different costs. Many parents have no idea how much college costs these days and they’re likely to be shocked, so be ready.</p>
<p>I know a parent from a mid-Atlantic state whose kid received $5,000 from SUNY Plattsburgh, which was already a bargain to begin with. The kid had good grades and I’m certain that because of regional diversity (his home is 500 miles from Plattsburgh), he got a boost.</p>