<p>It was the376</p>
<p>The one who compared Brown and IITs- It doesn’t make any sense to me at all tbh. Brown and IITs are two very different institutes. But for engineering IITs> Brown. Do you have offers from both Brown and IITs ?</p>
<p>Ha! Nice joke. I wish!
I’ll be applying for the class of 2019 this december, Dartmouth is my first choice (Thayer School of Engineering) and I’ll be applying ED there. Apart from Dartmouth, the only ivy on my list is Yale and possibly UPenn (but I’ll think very hard about UPenn). I would never want to go to Brown, never could handle the hip culture!</p>
<p>Actually I was asking the376 :)) LOL anyway quite a list dude. @peepingtom I think you have to apply in September for Early decision I may be wrong though. 
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<p>Yes! most ED apps are due Sep, I was talking about the rest.</p>
<p>Good luck @peepingtom. 
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<p>Waaaiit? Isn’t the deadline for ED at Ivies in November? Which college(s) has ED in September??</p>
<p>@Robots156 My bad! I’m extremely sorry. 
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<p>Lol its fine, i got scared XD</p>
<p>@halamadrid9 : Do you really think that Brown pales when compared to IIT’s? Well, you’re deluded mate. Check out any indicator of good engineering you want; from Research citations to employability, or the quality of professors. And one of my neighbor is in IIT Bombay. He summed up IIT’s pretty well: They’re only about good package, and grades. There’s no real learning there.</p>
<p>Hold your horses right there! It’s right that’s there’s no “real” learning there (but you’ll have to define real), IITs have a clear cut core curriculum and if one sticks to it, the possibilities are endless. Take for e.g. Raghuram Rajan, he graduated from IIT Delhi but later on earned a PhD from MIT in management/economics and was the chief economist at IMF, many people don’t achieve that even if they did economics in undergrad let alone engineering. There are other countless examples. To sum it all up, survive IITs and you’ll rule the world. </p>
<p>It’s a common misconception mate. I have been to iit Delhi as a part of summer program and the biggest myths were busted then and there. I repeat, you can go to the faculty page of IIT and compare that with that of brown, you’ll come to know that it’s naive to even compare them. I don’t know if you’ll believe me or not, but when I went there, the electrical engineering professor couldn’t apply basic kirchoff laws ( that is the very basic of engineering). Talk to any iitian you happen to meet and ask him about the learning there, they’ll tell you that it sucks big time. It has 0 entrepreneur spirit. 0 innovation spirit. Oh and cheating and plagiarism is rampant.
I suggest you to go to this link <a href=“http://www.quora.com/What-are-some-things-you-dislike-about-the-IITs”>http://www.quora.com/What-are-some-things-you-dislike-about-the-IITs</a> </p>
<p>and read all the answers that has. It’s got a lot of answers from current iitians and teachers. It’s not for nothing that Brown ranks above iit. And fyi infrastructure doesn’t even factor into rankings.
And about the person you Alluded in your post goes, there are outliers to everything. For every that guy, I can point a 1000 who couldn’t.</p>
<p>@Better than the best:
Heres a link that should convince you that:
HYPSM>>IIT>>Brown for Eng. imho.</p>
<p>Where’s the link, @Robots156?</p>
<p>And honestly, please give a link that has got some substance, not some rant please. I’ve seen enough of it already.
The only Ivy which is not good for engineering is Dartmouth.</p>
<p><a href=“http://blog.pitchbook.com/top-universities-producing-vc-backed-entrepreneurs/”>http://blog.pitchbook.com/top-universities-producing-vc-backed-entrepreneurs/</a>
Sorry missed it out :p</p>
<p>I am sorry but the list is NOT A MEASURE OF ENGINEERING UNIVERSITIES. I don’t know what made you post this link but read that link. The link says it ranks on how it contributes to the National economy; it’s got nothing to do with the quality of engineering at iit’s. It just means that iitians contribute to the Indian economy which makes me think that iitians are heavily employed in the country and are able to do productive work.
It can simply be attributed to the fact that the only good colleges in India are IIT’S and the likes. Whereas there are multitude of excellent colleges in India. So the share of each college is somewhat low.
I hope I was able to make myself clear lol
Another thing, when any list ranks Harvard above MIT in engineering (which according to you is what this website is ranked upon), it loses credibility instantly. Anyone who is sane enough will not rank Harvard above mit for engineering at least. </p>
<p>It would be good if you read the link and description before actually commenting…
Anyway moot point arguing online about this- let everyone have their own opinion…</p>
<p>HA HA HA HA, @BetterThanBest
You’re a fanatic! Dartmouth’s Thayer School Of Engineering has one of the best engineering programs, I’ll admit it doesn’t rank high (above 50s), but still it’s better than most ivies. I’ll be applying ED there! Dartmouth’s rankings suffer because of other not-so-apparent non-academic factors.
As far as IIT vs Brown goes, I’ll still stand firm for IIT. The vices you mentioned are found everywhere, how can you be so sure that it’s not rampant at Brown, I constantly read (in news papers and mags) how students abuse the honor code which allows for non-proctored exams and tests. Those hippies can never one-up our sheer brainpower.</p>
<p>Sorry for a very late reply. Pardon me as I just had my JEE exam. And please excuse my aggressiveness in the previous post. You see, JEE chemistry can be crushing and depressing. And this is going to be a long reply! Brace yourselves!</p>
<p>Okay, @Robots156, you accused me of not reading the link properly. So, here we go. I’ll be quoting directly from the link you gave. And I love debating! So, I’m never gonna end debating until I lose the debate or I’m able to convince you too. It’s engraved in my personality.</p>
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<p>This ranking ranks the Indian institutes on the no. of alumni who founded companies in the US. See, it excludes all the companies founded in India! It only takes into account the very top cream of the IITian founded companies who have made it to the US. It also ignores the fact that many UG’s at IIT’s go to graduate schools in the US.
And again, This is the capital funding received by startups.* I don’t see how you can correlate, in any way, with the quality of engineering studies.*</p>
<p>I hope you’re smart enough to realise that not all Engineers go on to become entrepreneurs. It’s compared the entrepreneurs only. This ranking has suffered a bias which is very often thrown around in Statistics known as “sampling bias”.
And let me tell you something, don’t always believe whatever you see on the internet without doing your homework.</p>
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<p>So, now onto @peepingtom. I am a fanatic! I love spreading awareness, at least about the US universities. This is because I don’t want any poor kid to be deprived of the amazing education and an amazing country too. I have suffered a lot due to lack of good info.
Just a few caveats here:
- Whatever I write below is pertinent to CS and CS only. I’ll be comparing apples to apples.
- Just to let you know that I’ve not been admitted to any US university and will probably be attending IIT’s only. In case you think I’m biased towards Brown, please reconsider!
3.IIT=IIT-Bombay for it’s the best school for CS in India.
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[li]Faculty I’ll just ask you to go to these links. <a href=“Engineering | Brown University”>Engineering | Brown University; (for Brown)[/li]Faculty of IIT-B (<a href=“http://www.cse.iitb.ac.in/page14”>http://www.cse.iitb.ac.in/page14</a>)
I earnestly request you to click on each of the faculty’s profile and see the stark difference.
Brown:1, IIT’s:0
[li]Research. Due to the vast difference in the endowments of both the colleges and the research oriented culture at Brown, I hope you’ll concur that research is better at Brown.[/li]Brown:2, IIT’s:0.
[/ul] I’d love to add more points but I’m tired as hell and I’ll defer you to the following link for how universities are compared.
<a href=“QS World University Rankings 2024 methodology”>http://www.topuniversities.com/university-rankings-articles/world-university-rankings/qs-world-university-rankings-methodology</a>
I request you to objectively analyse this and weigh 'em both on the same weight
I’ll add a lot more things that are not covered in rankings but should be covered up.</p>
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<li><p>Infrastructure: Brown wins hands down. </p></li>
<li><p>Quality of peers: This is something subjective and differs from person to person. Some people like the peer quality at IIT’s because they’ve all cleared JEE leading to no diversity at all.
I am in the other cohort who thinks that the more you’re surrounded with diverse minded people, the better your mental growth will be. You are able to see problems in an altogether different manner. (This is coming from a guy whose relatives are unimaginably diverse. That’s me.)</p></li>
<li><p>Zeal: in US, you choose the major after a year of researching and observing different majors. Due to this, you’ll find people always interested in their major. It’s not like the IIT’s where you’re thrown into a branch on the basis of your JEE rank. It’s appalling that a kid’s ability to study mech. engineering is partially governed by his strength in Organic chemistry. Therefore, the zeal for study is bound to be higher at Brown.</p></li>
<li><p>Sex ratio: It’s a scientifically proven fact that the present of the opposite gender around you motivates you a lot. The IIT’s don’t serve well here too. (You may call my adding this point merely out of frustration due to the lack of girls around me)</p></li>
<li><p>The list will go on forever.</p></li>
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<p>Now, I’ll let you be the judge. If you still stand by your point of IIT>Brown, it will be better if you can add some substance to it. Otherwise, it won’t help anyone. You have the right to think whatever you want to think bro.</p>
<p>And about Dartmouth now. I hope you know that the booze parties don’t factor into rankings. So, your point of other factors affecting the ranking is rather moot. Still if you love Dmouth, great! Excellent choice. But better than other ivies? No way on earth. This is not to say that Dartmouth is bad, by any means. And college is rather what you make of it. I like that you like Dartmouth :)</p>
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<p>My fingers are sore and I’m gonna sleep now.
PS. I hope that I have not offended anyone. If you feel like that, I apologise. Thank you for bearing with me. (wow, you must be really bored by now!).
Cheers 
PPS. I’ll love when you’ll indulge in the addiction of debate with me!</p>