<p>What do you all think? There are some interesting numbers in certain states. Romney has 81% in Utah so far, wow. Any predictions?</p>
<p>I think Clinton will come out slightly over Obama, and McCain will get the republican nomination.</p>
<p>Live</a> results</p>
<p>I agree with you fury. That's exactly what will happen.</p>
<p>And from there, Clinton will beat McCain. Way too many conservatives don't like him.</p>
<p>When Ann Coulter and Rush Limbaugh say that they'd endorse Hilary Clinton over you when you're a republican, you're pretty screwed.</p>
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Actually, most projections put a Clinton v. McCain match-up as a McCain victory - the ONLY combination of the current candidates to yield a Republican victory (based on projections - <a href="http://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/2008/president/national.html)%5B/url%5D">http://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/2008/president/national.html)</a>.</p>
<p>Clinton V. McCain matchup, I would say that McCain would win.</p>
<p>McCain is moderate enough so that he would be able to convince a potentially large amount of democratic voters to vote for him- if they don't like Clinton, they wouldn't mind voting for McCain because he's so moderate.</p>
<p>In the end, it doesn't matter if conversatives don't like him. If they don't like him, who are they going to vote for? Not Clinton. So for them it would be McCain or no one.</p>
<p>I agree. I think Clinton will (sadly) do better than Obama. But, when it comes to the convention, it will be a toss-up...and hopefully, Obama emerges.</p>
<p>Watch</a> as hell freezes over</p>
<p>^^ That is scary.</p>
<p>Perhaps now the polls show that McCain is more popular than Hilary, but do you really think that will last?</p>
<p>If you think that all McCain needs to win against Hilary are the moderates, you're out of your mind! Without a base, he won't get anywhere. And Hilary will become way more moderate during the general election. She won't keep up the liberal tone she has now. </p>
<p>I think I'd just prefer a vacancy in the office though.</p>
<p>I'm sorry but this country isn't ready for a woman president or a black president. Democrats will lose.</p>
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<p>This statement comes up in political discussions all the time, and what it basically means is, "I don't care about a candidate's race or sex. But I'm worried that other people will, and so I don't think the candidate is electable and won't support their campaign." And then the ensuing lack of support is taken as an indication that yes, this country is too racist/sexist to handle a woman or a person of color as president. It's a self-fulfilling prophecy.</p>
<p>Yes, there are people who say that they wouldn't vote for a woman or a person of color, and there are people who have subconscious biases that they don't recognize or won't admit to. But the vast majority of them are not the coveted independent moderates; they're people who wouldn't vote Democrat for ideological reasons even if the candidate were a white male, so neither Obama nor Clinton would be losing their votes.</p>
<p>The poll data that Jarn linked to demonstrate pretty clearly that the polled public seems to prefer the black candidate and the female candidate over the white males in most possible match-ups. And there are probably even more voters who don't like Obama and Clinton, but would be willing to vote for a black and/or female candidate running on a conservative platform.</p>
<p>this just in!...tom tancredo pulls out a winner in california! way to go tommy boy</p>
<p><a href="http://www.pollingreport.com/politics.htm%5B/url%5D">http://www.pollingreport.com/politics.htm</a></p>
<p>McCain will probably be dead or almost dead by the end of his term if he's elected anyway... He's losing his mind, 100 more years in Iraq?! What a nut</p>
<p>Objectively speaking, the Clinton-Obama draw is pretty impressive, when you remember that he was down 20 points in the national polls just two weeks ago. </p>
<p>Also, Hillary may be in some financial trouble: <a href="http://thecaucus.blogs.nytimes.com/2008/02/06/clinton-considers-lending-her-campaign-money/%5B/url%5D">http://thecaucus.blogs.nytimes.com/2008/02/06/clinton-considers-lending-her-campaign-money/</a></p>
<p>The delegate count is still out, but Obama and Clinton almost tied in the popular vote, with Clinton taking a slight edge. However, Obama had more wins in caucus states, which have lower turnout in the first place. So the tie in the popular vote is an impressive Obama acheivement as well.</p>
<p>McCain's Iraq policy basically sucks, as does his immigration policy. I don't think he can win the presidency by having sucky policies on two of the most important issues.</p>
<p>As an independent...id personally choose Obama over McCain, then McCain over Hillary.</p>
<p>That said...I hope Obama edges the old hag out</p>