<p>flipchick, out of curiosity, would you support civil unions? </p>
<p>I personally think that everything would be easier/simpler if the government only performed civil unions (for both heterosexual and homosexual couples), and left "marriages" to religious groups.</p>
<p>Although I do not like people being gay, I would support civil unions. Then, at least, it isn't "marriage."</p>
<p>I am for gay marriage and atleast civil unions.</p>
<p>France has a system similar to the one CDN Dancer was talking about</p>
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TuftsPlease: Yeah I watched porn before. Two dudes pounding each other's ass's and being gay, I don't watch. You would have to be one sick f-ck to get off on that.</p>
<p>And Porn doesn't seem diabolic at all, unless your watching some kind of illegal rape stuff or gay stuff. Thats the kind of stuff you turn off real quick like OMG*** was that...and the days don't seem so bright.
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<p>Please explain the reference of anal sex is horrendously gross when the same thing is done to female and is considered "kinky." How then is gay sex "diabolical"? </p>
<p>flipchick1127, there is a lot of homosexuality in animals. While it may not be nearly as much as humans (due to the fact that humans often find it easier to find a gay-mate). Nothing goes with nature. As evident, humans are an example of that. We've devolped vaccines, drugs to prevent whatever nature has against us. </p>
<p>We're not going to pounce on you for being close-minded. But we are going to try to attempt to change your mind. Using a terrorist however is a bit flawed logic since afterall, they are out to hurt others.</p>
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<p>Try looking at the American divorce rate of straight couples</p>
<p>flipchick, how would your views towards CIVIL marriage between same-sex couples change if homosexuality is indeed NOT a choice?</p>
<p>homosexuality IS NOT a choice. Why would you choose to be something that so many people hate. Sexual orientation is something you are born with.</p>
<p>NO, you are not born gay. I'm sorry, but it's simply not true. The people who become gay either 1) Want the attention, 2) Feel they have no chance with the opposite sex, 3) Like the uniqueness of it, or 4) Had troubled childhoods which affected them strangely.</p>
<p>Now, about the divorce rate of straight couples. It's a horrible number, there's no doubt. I think it's a shame, and I think people need to be more careful about who they marry. Of course, sometimes things just don't work out. Neither side may have done anything wrong. Sometimes splitting up is best for both parties. Whatever the reason, the divorce rate has nothing to do with gay marriage.</p>
<p>I'm sorry, but I cannot believe that homosexuality is something someone is born with, and I cannot believe that it isn't wrong. Now, PLEASE, don't misunderstand me. I have had and probably will later have friends who are gay. They are good people. However, in my opinion, they are doing something wrong, just like everyone else does. Everyone has their faults, I know I do. In my opinion, being gay is one of them. If someone wants to be gay, I won't stop them. It's his life, let him choose. I don't have to be forced to agree with it, though. I also don't feel like the entire definition of marriage should be changed because of it.</p>
<p>Homosexuality IS A choice like abortion IS A choice.</p>
<p>"NO, you are not born gay. I'm sorry, but it's simply not true. The people who become gay either 1) Want the attention, 2) Feel they have no chance with the opposite sex, 3) Like the uniqueness of it, or 4) Had troubled childhoods which affected them strangely."</p>
<p>Flipchick,
The only way that someone could make that claim is if they themselves were homosexual. Even if you are gay that doesn't mean that you:
1. Really know what caused your orientation anymore than you understand why you feel affection toward people you love.
2. Can make such a general claim when you, in the scope of the world, are particular and insignificant.</p>
<p>Why is being gay something you should take personal offense at? They feel that homosexuality is the lifestyle that fits them best. It is who they are. There is nothing wrong about it. Homosexuality is just as much of a characteristic as race, or gender. It IS something you are born with. How can you choose who you are sexually attracted to? You can't, it's just natural. Just because it's different from what you know does NOT make it wrong. Why is it so hard for people to respect others?</p>
<p>Well said Macramequeen.</p>
<p>flipchick, it is NOT a fact that homosexuals choose to be so. You are not gay, so you cannot make such a claim. You cannot control who you are sexually attracted to. You can choose whether to act on it or not, but you DONT choose to be gay or straight. And being gay is not wrong.If you think so, fine, but you're not going to convince me that it is a sin or any other bs. They are people and sexual orientation is not a fault. Being a close minded, prejudiced are faults. And do you try to preach these anti-gay beliefs on your homosexual friends?....</p>
<p>I already told you my feelings about being close-minded, so I won't even bother responding to that. As for the prejudiced accusation, I've already told you several times that I have had friends that are gay. I totally respect their choice, but I don't agree with it. I DO think homosexuality is wrong, and my gay friends know that. I don't tell them to stop, I don't treat them bad, but I don't agree with them being gay. Now, I think it is a bit close-minded be rude to someone just because they believe that homosexuality is wrong. See, it goes both
ways.</p>
<p>A lot of you are jumping up so quickly to tell me that I'm wrong that being gay is a choice, and that I couldn't possibly know because I'm not gay. Well, I want to know how YOU could possibly know, because you are not gay! In fact, I doubt that gay people even know, since they can't remember how they were when they were born, the way they were treated when they were born, or what experiences they went through when they were very, very young. I think the whole, "I was born gay" argument is just there to make people less argumentative about gay people.</p>
<p>Also, just because someone HAS an impulse doesn't mean it's a GOOD impulse. Someone might have the impulse to kill someone when they get really mad. Does that make it a good impulse? NO!!! So, just because someone has the impulse to be gay, that doesn't make it a good impulse. It can be controlled, and it is, therefore, a choice.</p>
<p>I would also like to add that just about every gay person I have met has had strange circumstances as a child.</p>
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<p>I don't have too many gay friends but the ones I do know are not attention seeking losers or have severe emotional problems in thier closets. People should mind their own business, especially when they don't know what they are talking about.</p>
<p>A lot of the time I don't believe even the people who are gay know what they are talking about. So, why don't you mind your own business and allow people to voice their opinions.</p>
<p>^^^
Okay let me voice my opinion:</p>
<p>I think you have no clue what you are talking about, I think you are ignorant, and despite what you say you are close minded. And your opinions suck and you should keep your mouth shut.</p>
<p>That's what I think. Feel free to disagree, it's a free country.</p>
<p>Have a nice day.</p>
<p>I think that you have nothing better to do than insult people. Oh what a world! Forget about healthy debate, let's result to insults! My opinion doesn't suck any more than anyone else's! I won't keep my mouth shut! All of you get to keep your mouths open, so I will too!</p>
<p>flipchick1127, as a child I was beaten by my parents. They did not talk to me for certain times. My dad used to have rages where he would kick me and I would be left a bruise. Once, he was so angry he threw a wooden block barely missing me. My mom in an attempt to teach would slap me a backhand or use a slipper. Often, I would get bruises. The last time I was hit by them was 7. Even at that point, verbal exchange occurred often. Bear in mind, I was a very obedient child so I did not need this verbal exchange. I would silently cry when my parents yelled at me. I contemplated suicide often as a child. I thought of how I would run and pay a homeless person fifty dollars to kill me because I didn't have the courage to do it myself. Don't start about strange circumstances as a child. I'm straight. The gays that I actually know all have had normal childhoods.</p>
<p>If I pick an ugly disfigured man off the street, I'm willing to bet you would not be able to have a crush off of him. I'm not talking about personality, it doesn't matter if you just keep on looking at him, you would never be able to feel feelings for them.</p>
<p>Look at the suicide rate. Do you honestly think people "choose" to be gay? Those who have committed suicide, that group of people, a large portion of them are homosexual. </p>
<p>You described them as attention-seeking individuals. I'd like to ask a question. Most gays have not come open about their homosexuality. They are often timid that others will find the truth about them.</p>
<p>Tpeck, while often a defiant statement works in debates as a short final answer, you have not expressed my previous points. Since I cannot hear the verbal sound that often comes with that statement, I lack understanding of what you feel. (I'm sorry, I debate often.)</p>