Surgical masks?

I don’t see specific wording. But lots of visuals and such as to how to use a mask to it’s best potential. (using nose wire or a brace, accounting for glasses or beard, etc.). Pretty sure the masks they are distributing are the white/blue ones we see. Not sure of the thickness.

Nearly as much as the composition of the mask is how it’s worn. ANd I’m not just talking about on your nose!

Counterfeit Respirators | NPPTL | NIOSH | CDC CDC doesn’t speak highly of the Lutema masks. Is this worrisome? (No negative comments about CDC please). They are just saying the Lutema are not NIOSH approved, as they claim.

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This is the info Lutema has on its website regarding the CDC listing. While self-serving, I didn’t see anything on the website claiming their masks are N95s. And there are repeated statements that their masks are not medical grade; not sure what that means exactly.

Q. Why are your masks listed as counterfeit N95 on the CDC website?

A. This was done in error by the CDC. We have asked them to remove this from their website, but they have not.

It bears repeating that Lutema masks ARE NOT N95/NIOSH compliant and we have never claimed to be.

I saw that after I ordered. The large medical group in my community suggests that brand for the pediatric patients. I trust this medical group and for my needs I’m comfortable with the Lutema.

They definitely do not say they are N95s. Aaron Collins rated them pretty highly. Said with the nose pinched they filtered out 99.2% I believe.

Anecdotal evidence, but my kids work in retail and have had co-workers come down with COVID but they have not so far (knock wood). They wear the Lutema.

They do say they are “FDA listed” and “M95.” It’s a standard that doesn’t exist. It seems to be intentionally misleading to me.

They can’t be KN95 or KN94 because they are made in the USA. They are not trying to be used by medical professionals, but are for the general public so they did not go into it trying to be N95s. You can look at Aaron Collins’ data on it if you don’t want to believe what they say on their website.

The US standards, medical or not, start with N. The M is made up. It may be a good mask, but they’re certainly trying to make it look like something it isn’t.

They say their facility is FDA registered, not the masks. They also call the line of masks their M-series. If they intended to trick people, their FAQ’s would not be so explanatory.

Q. Are these masks FDA approved?

No. There is no such thing as FDA Approved masks. Our masks are manufactured in an FDA registered facility that meets ISO 9001:2015 standards. Our masks are listed with the FDA under classification code QKR.

And

M95i and M95c series masks are the brand and model of Lutema masks. Our masks filter over 99% and use ear loops, so our entire M-series of masks M93i, M95i, M95c, M96i are not N95 style.

Some background on the company and why they started manufacturing masks. Their parent company already made industrial PPE masks.

It seems your major complaint is that they use the letter M and believe that was done to deliberately confuse the consumer. Perhaps, but perhaps they mean it to represent Made in America, or their parent company MI Technologies. Or Masks.

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They really aren’t. Their parent company is MI Technologies. That’s where the M comes from. They are made in the USA so no questionable practices as far as materials. I have a friend with sensitive skin and she can’t wear some of the made in China brands, but the Lutema/MI Technologies ones are fine for her.

Q. What is the difference between M Series and N95?

A. N95 is a standard set fourth by CDC which says (among other things) an N95 mask must:

  • Meet high filtration standard of +95%
  • Have head straps (not ear loops)
  • Must be fit-tested for OSHA compliance

M95i and M95c series masks are the brand and model of Lutema masks. Our masks filter over 99% and use ear loops, so our entire M-series of masks M93i, M95i, M95c, M96i are not N95 style.

Q. Are Lutema 5-Layer Masks KN95?

A. KN95 is a Chinese standard and a popular form factor from Asia that’s become popular in the United States. This standard includes:

  • Meet high filtration standard of +95%
  • Have ear loops
  • Must pass airflow fit-test.

M95 series masks are the brand and model of Lutema masks. Our masks filter over 99% and use ear loops, so our entire M-series of masks M93i, M95i, M95c, M96i. KN95 certification only applies to masks made in China, and M-series masks are made in the USA. It’s common practice that US manufacturers advertise masks in the same style as KN95, and we have always consider our masks to be a KN95 Hybrid that’s manufactured in the United States. Going further, we’ve also fit-tested our masks with employees to ensure breathability and proper airflow resistance is met.

Q. Why are your masks listed as counterfeit N95 on the CDC website?

A. This was done in error by the CDC. We have asked them to remove this from their website, but they have not.

It bears repeating that Lutema masks ARE NOT N95/NIOSH compliant and we have never claimed to be.

Again, you can look at Aaron Collins’ data or other folks who do testing who are not affiliated with the company if you don’t believe what they put on their website. From personal experience they are good masks.

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Think we cross-posted Marilyn! :slight_smile:

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I am a therapist in a community mental health clinic and I started giving KN95s to my face-to-face clients.

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My VIDA KN95 masks came today.

My Lutema small size masks came today and so far I like them. They’re definitely smaller but have good edge seals. They place lower on my nose so don’t fog my glasses. It’s hard to adequately gauge breathing for short periods but I felt that there was more air space under my nostrils so it seemed a bit easier than my other two styles.

Overall, I really like the smaller size.

Here are my three style masks. The top one is the Wovenx - FDA Registered, ASTM Level 3 Face Mask, Pleated, Blue, 4 Ply. I started wearing them as soon as I gave up cloth masks in 2020. The middle one is the Coast KN95 CE Certified 4-layer FFP2 standard, which I started wearing late last year in tighter quarters. And the bottom is the Lutema Small Sized Adults 5-Ply (M95c) in mint green.

And here’s how they fit me:

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The bottom 2 fit nicely. Top one gaps, as usual. Glad you have good protection.

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This is before omicron, so the numbers will be lower:

ETA: from WSJ

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The caption says if both parties are wearing N95s they will have 2,500 hours of protection. The table says they will have 25 hours of protection. Oh wait – the difference is “if they’re using tightly sealed N95s.”

I just got my delivery from the Korean/English website. I am very pleased! Thanks, @eyemgh!

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That table seems to suggest that a mask on the contagious person and the same mask on the uninfected person are equal in terms of lowering spread. But isn’t it the case that a mask on the contagious person has greater effect than the same mask on the uninfected person?

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That table also suggests that I really don’t want to get on an airplane right now unless the person next to me is also wearing an N95.

What are the chances of that? :thinking:

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