Surprises (positive and negative) at your child's college vs. expectations (name the school)

Stanford freshman. No big surprises. But surprised that it’s hard to spend much time with your roommate or quadmates if your areas of studies differ due to very different schedules. But great support and resources academically; and sometimes they offer most interesting classes in the form of 1 credit pass/fail classes.

Was impressed that a head of department told us during the move-in event to let him know in advance next time when we come to visit and we can schedule a lunch with him. Probably saying it to be nice but was impressed that he offered the invitation to new parents after a 30 minutes chat. Food not that bad.

Surprised they don’t give you credits for language just based on placement tests unless you took AP or IB tests when these tests do not exist for some languages. Also, for some languages, the highest level is not advanced enough, although Stanford Language Center is known to be good.

Also, found it very easy to get a 18 usd per hour paying job so quickly.

Northeastern

Positives -
although it is a big place my daughter was given personal attention by many - teachers, the head of career services, the RA in one of the dorms, and the head of her major department,
honors housing lived up to its great reputation (AC in new well maintained buildings),
food services was great (including getting in cookbook authors for events, having a lobster night, doing a pumpkin carving contest, etc.)

Negative - the student health center is an embarrassment - no mental health care available to students in need, horrible walk-in service for those needing minor care, ridiculously understaffed, (luckily you are in a major city surrounded by wonderful health care - because you aren’t going to get it on campus).

Bowdoin:

Overall amazing. Fantastic school that has exceeded expectations.

Unexpected positives:
– Bowdoin guarantees paid student jobs for every student who wants one. And there’s no bias to prioritize jobs for those on aid (like many schools), since there’s enough jobs for everyone. Many of the jobs are interesting and not menial and they do a decent job of teaching technical skills, etc. My son is paid to do work he volunteered for in HS and probably would have at college.

– Bowdoin has generous financial assistance for students offered unpaid internships and also is generous with summer grants for research work (which includes social studios and humanities topics as well, such as creative writing, etc.) The strong majority of those who seek them get them.

– Professors and staff can be super helpful. The Freshman adviser set up my son with a great campus job – he didn’t even ask, it was offered. Later a major adviser arranged for a fellowship, again without my son even soliciting it. Another staff member recommended him for another summer job, unsolicited, so he was choosing between different summer options all due to the efforts of proactive faculty and staff looking out for him.

– Location rubs off on you. My son was not particularly outdoorsy or into nature but has subsequently joined friends visiting all kinds of Maine’s natural attractions.

Unexpected negatives:
– Freshman class registration process stressful and complicated. Registration doesn’t start until a couple days before start of classes after student return from orientation trips. Everyone selects 4 classes, has to meet their assigned faculty adviser for sign-off, then hold their breath to see what classes they actually get. As Freshman they will be lucky to get half of the first batch they first sign-up for. Then they have to scramble a second time to select alternatives, get adviser sign-off and hold them breath again. After being unlucky a second time students are required to go to the registrars office the night before classes start and go through a process akin to a mini stock trading desk where they scramble to fill their schedule, or alternatively take their chances seeking out professors and begging to be let in despite the classes being full. Then students can only start ordering their books on the first day of class and if they need them sooner than they ship, which can take a week or two, they need to scramble to compete for library copies or play catch-up when the books finally arrive.

– Neither Bowdoin nor the student government provide any transportation options, free or paid, to the nearest airport or any airports, or the nearest major city – something many of Bowdoin’s peers do. They apparently used to years ago. Students either have to find and beg other students with cars, or rent cabs, buses (which don’t go to the airport so you then have to get a cab or uber from the bus station) or private shared shuttle services if you can find them. They can use Uber or Lyft for returns from their airport (expensive unless yo kind find people to share with) but its unreliable to get starting from campus because of lack of drivers local to Brunswick. Kind of crazy a school as prosperous as Bowdoin doesn’t arrange shuttles or buses at least at the key days – start of semester, beginning and end of breaks, etc.

The minor negatives are trivial compared to the positives.

@citivas wow. So what happens right before everyone goes home for Thanksgiving? Most kids get together and take car service?

@homerdog Yes, they either find carpools with people who have cars, arrange to share cabs or take the private bus service to the bus terminal in Portland and then have to Uber or Cab over to the Portland Airport or transfer to another bus for Boston if they are going to that airport. There’s also an Amtrak to Boston with the station across the street from the campus (that also stops at the same terminal as the bus in Portland). Oddly there is no service that connects the train/bus station in Portland to the airport. It was an issue Freshman year as he tried all of those combinations and dealt with a late bus almost causing him to miss a flight. By Sophomore year he seemed to have a reliable set of friends who could give him rides. It’s not a big deal, just a gripe. The vast majority of Bowdoin’s peers that we toured talked about providing buses to major airports or to NYC, etc., and there was even a 5 year old outdated page on Bowdoin’s website that talked about offering shuttles – but when you called the # it was no longer the case.

^Interesting. I agree that college-provided transportation from rural areas helps. I do not want to derail the thread, but there are college-provided buses (but there is a charge; they are not free— at least not for kids without financial aid) from Williams to Penn Station in New York City before Thanksgiving; there were several choices of departure times. (I believe there also is transportation to other places, including the airport in Albany.)
As working parents, we are finding the bus a big help; our kid can get home a day earlier with less driving and no loss of work days for us!

Caltech: not that many surprises (at least so far), because he had a fairly good idea of what he was getting himself into as far as workload and rigor.

Positive:
– Basically no cost for textbooks. Everything is either online or passed down from prior students. We decided to buy the paperbacks for a Greek Lit class so they he could take notes in them. But, being all classics, they were quite inexpensive.

– He loves all the social activities in his House. He wasn’t really a social kid before, but loves the Caltech House System.

– He had no problems getting a room in his House sophomore year, which was supposed to be the year most have to spend outside the House.

– He’s gotten involved in a program where he gets Emergency Medical Responder training and other health certifications. So unexpected given that he is still a committed physics major/CS minor.

– Getting summer research after freshman year really was as easy as they promised.

Negative:

– Most classes are offered only specific quarters. So, if you have room for an extra class in fall, the electives you were hoping to take may not be offered until spring.

– Even taking 6 or 7 classes at a time, there’s still no way to fit in all the classes he wants to take.

– It’s really hot there over the summer. Not all labs at JPL have good air conditioning.

Princeton: mostly minor stuff

UNEXPECTED POSITIVES:

Generous FA – although upper middle income bracket, my freshman son is attending tuition free. Cost less than in-state public university. HUGE relief.

Lots of freebies – on the way out of the freshmen check-in registration, they were handing out a very expensive coffee table pictorial book on Princeton like candies. In spite of the fact that I had already purchased it a year before, both my son and I received one each. Plan on using an extra copy as a gift to his grandma in CA.

On the day of the Freshmen Opening Exercises, it rained, so all the freshmen in his residential college received a cool looking rain coat with the college logo for their march through the FitzRandolph Gate. At first, I thought he purchased it using my credit card.

Didn’t know at the time of my son successful audition to the Princeton University Orchestra that the group’s touring every other year to Europe (Spain this Jan) – all expenses paid. No wonder more than the usual number of student/musicians showed up for the audition, I heard. When my son toured with his local youth orchestra to Europe one year and Japan another year during his middle and high school, each of these tours took $5,000 out of my bank account, so I was needless to say happily surprised.

Wasn’t expecting the caliber of musical backgrounds of his peers in the orchestra to be that high. My son has held concertmaster position in local, regional, all state and national youth orchestras before joining Princeton University Orchestra, so he was used to the leadership position all his life. Now, he’s just an average in the orchestra. Among his orchestra mates, one violinist even had a solo debut with New York Philharmonic when she was 13 years old. Most of the musicians seem to be the products of pre-college Juilliard or NEC with a dozen concerto competition wins under their belts. He has always had a profound appreciation for high level of musical experience, so he’s very happy to be making music and making new friendships with the fellow musicians. He’s also thrilled to be able to work with Gustavo Dudamel, conductor of Los Angeles Philharmonic, throughout this season. Dudamel has residency at the university this year.

New arts building – when we were on the campus during the Preview Day, the $330 million dollar project, Lewis Center for the Arts building complex, was still under construction. Both my son and I were keenly interested in this particular development more than anything else because this building is where my musician son would be spending most of his extracurricular time rehearsing with the University Orchestra and other musical groups. Since the freshmen check-in registration took place in this building, I had a chance to check it out and it didn’t disappoint. What surprised me more than anything else, however, was that this arts complex was just a stone’s throw distance from his residential college.

Forbes residential college – after my son was put up for a night during his Preview Day stay at this residential college, he prayed that he wouldn’t be assigned to this college once he’s officially enrolled as a freshman. Well, luck would have it, he was assigned to the same college for the next two years to his deepest disappointment. Forbes used to be Princeton Inn that was later purchased by the university and converted to one of six residential colleges with the money from Malcolm S. Forbes, Jr. '70. One reason why most students dread being housed in this college is simply because it’s the farthest of any residential colleges from the center of the campus. I dreaded it, too, along with my son. Unbeknownst to us, however, was not only how close it was to the Lewis Center for the Arts complex, as already mentioned, but also to the campus train station called “Dinky” (the first transportation my son would need to take when coming home on breaks or a day trip to NYC, etc.) and this store called “WaWa,” a very popular convenience store where students like to go for a midnight snack. For me, as a parent, I also liked that it was very close to the visitor parking lot, too.

During the family reception held in the backyard of Forbes, I was surprised to find that the Forbes backyard actually ran along the Springdale Golf Club with a spectacular view of the Graduate School. Although Princeton Inn was built after F. Scott Fitzgerald had long left the university but since the Springdale Golf Club was found well before his arrival, I wondered whether his famous statement was inspired by the same view that I had: Princeton University as the “pleasantest country club in America.”

UNEXPECTED NEGATIVES:

Forbes – along with the positives aforementioned there are some negatives, too, with this residential college. We were expecting, given the size of Princeton’s endowment (in fact, #1 ranking in endowment per student for years running), that the residential facilities would match F. Scott Fitzgerald’s description, the “pleasantest country club in America.” A frivolous joke aside, we did find that the facilities inside the residential college to be quite used and old, starting with the room equipped with cheap beds and furniture, on down to the residential college library, multi-media room, music practice rooms, etc. Fortunately, the laundry machines just got replaced with the new, my son reported. Because of this, in spite of the in-house music practice rooms, he goes to the Lewis Center for the Arts building to practice in one of over 20 private practice rooms there. The same with his study place. Instead of the in-house library, he studies in the Lewis building.

Course conflicts – as a pre-med with intended major in music, he was faced with frustrating course conflicts the first semester that forced him to take a couple of courses outside of his interests. He didn’t feel that the residential academic adviser knew what his needs were and therefore ineffective in helping him navigate through the course selection process. We’d say this is the biggest unexpected negative that my son has encountered so far.

Academic demands – I was expecting, with the max 4 courses for freshmen, that my son would have at least some time to be able to enjoy those other things that are important for enjoying the college life, namely, concerts (Bobby McFerrin was just there), Princeton sports rivalry, etc. He reported that every minute of his waking life is so busy that he has no time for such. Other parents of Princeton kids have reported that their freshmen kids don’t get to bed until 3 to 5 a.m. each day due to so much homework and other assignments thrown at them. Although Princeton had done away with the grade deflation a few years back, the practice still lingers, leaving students with highly demanding and stressful academic environment.

Apart from these negatives, so far everything else has been a very positive experience for my son. Hopefully, the stressful academic demands don’t get to an overwhelming experience for him and others.

I’ve got two kids, a D that graduated from UW Seattle in 2017 and a D who is a current junior at Princeton.

UW negatives: I’m having a hard time coming up with negatives for either school. Parking at UW is tough. On campus health care access for students, especially for mental health issues, is difficult, which was a surprise for me. I expected better in such a progressive city.
UW positives: It was easy to connect with smaller groups, despite the size of the campus. The disability access office was fairly helpful. Public transportation makes getting around the city very easy without a vehicle. Decent help with dealing with VA benefits. Most employees quite friendly and approachable.

Princeton negatives: Also few complaints there, though I will agree with Tigger Dad above that the housing situation is surprising considering the amount of money at the school. Many buildings could use some upgrades to improve comfort, and better pest control. I do hear parents on the Facebook group complaining about the workload, but it hasn’t been an issue for my daughter, despite taking 5 tough classes every semester and maintaining an active extracurricular life.
Princeton positives: I love that they don’t nickel and dime the students with extra fees, deposits, etc. Even the laundry is included, there is tons of free food, and in general lots of financial support for extracurricular pursuits. My daughter’s Engineers Without Borders trip to Kenya this past summer was completely covered, and running club expenses are covered for the most part. Otherwise, see above, Tigger Dad covered it well :smiley:

@GoodGrief16

For someone who loves freebies, I don’t know how I could have forgotten about the free laundry at Princeton! :))

I have a senior at Pomona College majoring in economics, probably headed to grad school in a couple of years. Overall very positive experience. Very strong in the types of things that the top liberal arts colleges are known for, which includes very caring professors who go out of their way to get to know you and help you, helpful and responsive administrators, lots of academic support, financial assistance with unpaid internships and stipends for independent summer research, etc. But those were more or less expected so I’ll focus on the more specific and unexpected:

Unexpected positives:
(1) research experience - D did an internship last summer at a Federal Reserve Bank and her boss remarked that she has more research experience than most of her peers who have interned for him; she just interviewed for an RA position with another Fed and again was told that she has stronger research credentials than they usually see from a college senior.
(2) benefits of the 5C consortium – she didn’t realize how big this was until she spent a semester at another LAC through a domestic exchange. Taking classes on other 5C campuses is so easy and convenient, and even if you never take a class off campus you benefit from the shared resources like shared clubs, shared recruiting events, and best of all shared dining with 7 dining halls that are under different management and actually compete with each other to attract “swipes.” Not only is the food good and varied, but you get to meet lots of different people by visiting the different dining halls.
(3) During her sophomore year D took a class in the Politics Dept. on Hannah Arendt. The professor knew she was interested in free speech issues and arranged for her to attend a conference at Bard College in NY on “REAL TALK: Difficult Questions about Race, Sex, and Religion” at Pomona College expense. The professor had been invited to attend the conference but couldn’t go and decided to send D instead.

Unexpected negatives:
(1) Dorms: only 38% have air conditioning which is a problem in August/September when it can be unpleasantly hot. (We’re from AZ so very used to heat but also used to ubiquitous A/C.) Everyone pays the same for room charges although dorms vary tremendously in how cramped or spacious, a/c or no a/c, updated or old and worn. The newer dorms favor suites which in turn means the room selection process favors extroverts who can put together groups of friends. Given some of the other comments it seems obvious that some schools figure that they don’t have to invest in updated dormitories and people will line up to attend regardless.

Hamilton College - sophomore

  1. Disappointments - all minor. Sometimes hard to get the class you want due to college small size and small class size. Sophomore year housing lottery was stressful, but worked out in the end.
  2. Happy surprises - lots. The major one is that their talk about looking at outcomes/careers is real and focused. Sophomore year started with resume writing workshops, learning about networking, internships, shadowing alums, etc. It's so nice when a college's hype is matched by action. Another nice surprise - transportation provided to airports, train stations, etc. by the school. Very helpful for out-of-staters. Third, there are many fun and interesting activities on campus for the students, and big name speakers and entertainers who come to campus, you can forget it is in a rural town in upstate NY.

Kansas State (Sophomore currently) - Son extremely happy!! Early admission to vet school program is awesome!

Unexpected Positives:
Fraternity system is actually very nice, not exclusive, easy going, and costs less to live and eat in the house than in the dorm. Much more grade oriented than expected. In addition, alumni bought out his dorm contract so he could move into the house second semester with no cost to us for breaking the contract. He met CEO of major corporation, is an officer and has gained leadership abilities that we didn’t see in high school.

Faculty that was rated badly and noted for never giving good grades etc on rate my professor were ok and son got A’s and learned a lot. Most professors excellent and go out of the way to help students. Lab assistants in sciences are outstanding. Sciences are challenging, yet reasonable in the work required. Your grade definitely reflects what you put into it.

Many more high end academic students than some people outside think. Honors college is excellent but high academic students in all the pre-med, pre-vet classes.

Lots more to do in the town and area than expected. Son loves everything about it (and we like his pre-med girlfriend too!).

Unexpected Negatives:
Didn’t expect the library to burn down last summer and be closed the entire year. Positive, school is going above and beyond to find other places for students to study, communicate it, and move main resources to the student union to make it easy for students to find what they need. Great cooperation with University of Kansas library.

Honors college early registration was not really that. His girlfriend, not in honors college (by choice) has had registration times before his every semester. Schedule conflicts were a problem and he had to reorder classes that he wanted to take but everything still fits in and ended up probably being a positive in how it turned out.

@TheGreyKing
How long is the bus drive from Williams to Penn Station? Thanks!

Lol. You must not live in the Mid-Atlantic. Wawa is everywhere. There are like 1,000 of them. It’s a huge chain.

@eb23282

“WaWa” sounds to me like an ill-tempered infant to me. Of course, by now, I know. Still, I didn’t care for its food nor the process of getting the food, in spite of what other parents of Princeton had said about the place. I’ll say, so much gaga over wawa!! :smiley: I’m all for 7-11. That’s what I’m used to.

In fact, I’m very fond of 7-11. I used to practice my English when I immigrated to this country some 4 decades ago as a teenager. I’d pop into the store that was located between my middle school and my house and ask, “how much this, how much that…” I now imagined that I drove the clerk nuts! :))

It’s just one capitalized W, so “Wawa” which is actually the word for “goose” in one of the Canadian First Nation languages (hence the goose on the logo). They’re pretty ubiquitous in Philadelphia, so all the Penn/Drexel/Temple/etc. kids are quite familiar with them. I’ve done many a Wawa run on my visits to Penn.

That’s good to know @skieurope. I still prefer ANY of Philly steak sandwich over anything Wawa offers. ;:wink:

Overall H and I were thrilled with both kid’s undergraduate experience but here it goes…

Fordham (Rose Hill campus - graduated 2012)
+An amazing group of students. S’s college friends are smart, kind, cooperative etc. – can’t say enough about the people he met there.
+Son took advantage of access to Manhattan much more than I expected. Found lots of free/cheap activities in NYC.

  • We were a bit nervous about the Bronx location, but it was great. S volunteered for a non-profit off campus and took advantage of Arthur Avenue, walking through the Botanical Gardens etc.
    +Substance free dorms (or kind of substance free as things turned out) first two years were wonderful for my quiet, not-partier son. In general, dorms were great.
    +Core curriculum – we visited a few Jesuit school and heard about the core but never paid a ton of attention. The core was extensive and even though S was in the business school I feel that he got an outstanding liberal arts education as well.
    +Generally strong professors (a couple of exceptions) and small classes.
    -I think the school depended too much on kids going to NYC and Arthur Avenue and should develop more on-campus weekend activities.
    -A couple of challenging b-school classes were scheduled as a once a week 3 hour evening class which I didn’t think was a good idea.
    -Scheduling was a stressful the first year or two. The scheduling window is prioritized by how many credits a student has – our HS has no APs so S came in with no credits and was always one of the last in his year to schedule. He planned ahead and worked it out but it was time consuming and frustrating at times.
    -Rules for getting into dorms student’s didn’t live in were archaic and cumbersome. I understand care needs to be taken in the Bronx but it is a closed campus and things were made ridiculously difficult.

Lafayette College (graduated 2016)
+D found “her people” immediately. Her college friends are smart, kind, helpful etc.

+Very close-knit community
+Excellent, approachable professors and small classes. She had a couple of upper level classes with as few as 6 other students.
+Research opportunities abound for those who want them. My D spent two summers on campus and one semester as a paid researcher working for professors.
+Very easy to get involved in activities on campus.

+Greek Life rush was sophomore year which meant people have a strong freshman friend group in place already.

+Easton was unexpectedly nice with some good restaurants.
+My D had a few professors more than once. She thought it was a plus as she only took a second class from professors she loved. (I’m not sure if it is a plus or minus)
+Strong student/professor relationships can develop. The profs. D asked for grad school LORs knew her very well and the recommendations were probably wonderful and contributed to her success in grad school acceptances.
+There was a chartered bus that brought kids to Westchester, CT, and Boston over breaks. Very convenient and decently priced.
-A number of classes are not given every semester. It was really important to be aware of this when scheduling.
-The career placement was good for those who came, but some very smart kids left Lafayette with no definitive next step in mind. Career placement should be more proactive.