Taking all my pre-med requirements as a non-degree student??

<p>Hey everyone (sorry about the length of this post but I REALLY need advice... I am going nuts trying to find information)</p>

<p>I was accepted to several schools so far and I am only considering abroad because it is 75% paid by my parents job. So far, I love St. Andrews but from everything I have read it is not an AAMCOS (spell check?? ahh... n00b) recognized school. </p>

<p>A lot of people are suggesting I do a post-bacc degree after St. A, but don't you have to apply 15 months in advance to medical school anyway? That would delay me quite a lot.</p>

<p>I was thinking, can I take my regular modules at St. Andrews in all the pre-reqs for pre-medical, but then repeat them here in the US over 2 study abroad semesters at a higher level? So if I took General bio/chem/physics at St. A, I would then do a slightly harder class here in the US to fulfill the requirements for premed. </p>

<p>I just really want to avoid having to do a post-bacc. </p>

<p>(I would be doing Biology/Psychology Honors at St. Andrews by the way)</p>

<p>The other option I have is to go to McGill or U Toronto (I was accepted last year, I haven't received anything for this year yet) - so nothing is guaranteed. But suppose I did, those schools would be really cheap too. I heard that they were really competitive though, and I am Italian - the European culture in St. Andrews appeals to me quite a lot.</p>

<p>By the way, I am a US PR, and I would like to do GRAD in the US and ultimately practice in the US. I would appreciate all advice, honestly. I have also applied to a lot of schools in the US, and certainly Iw ill get into one (I currently hold a spot at JHU) but I don't think the cost outweighs the pros of going to an American school?</p>

<p>(Just realized how sporadic my post is. I really hope someone manages to help me sort out my thoughts… what I am basically asking, simply, is if I can take non-degree classes during study abroad semesters to fulfill my premed prereqs)</p>

<p>Where do you see a list of approved colleges in AAMCAS which does not include St. Andrews?</p>

<p>Repeating coursework you’ve already successfully completed elsewhere is going to look really bad to medical schools. It’s going to raise questions about why you’re not taking higher level coursework to fulfill your requirements. Simply doing a retake at a US or Canadian school will make it look like you’re seeking easy As and playing GPA games–and medical schools don’t like people who game the system.</p>

<p>If you want to attend a US DO program, you’re going to have to earn at least 90 credits, including your science requirements at a US (or possibly a Canadian) college. (If you look at the requirements for most DO programs–they all say 90 credits at an accredited US college.)</p>

<p>wowmom - is this also for MD schools? I was under the impression British degrees were valid.</p>

<p>I posted a thread not too long ago and was told it was not accredited. </p>

<p>WayOutWest - I definitely don’t want to take an easy route, in fact, considering I’m paying for an education I’d like to work hard for my grades. So do I definitely have to do a post-bacc? And would I not just be repeating the same stuff I did already…?</p>

<p>Also, let’s say I did get into McGill or U of T, that would make my life a lot easier then right? Despite the huge competition for high GPAs? If not, let’s just stick with talking about St. Andrews since I dont even know if I got into the McGill or U of T (I am just basing on last years acceptance) and I don’t want to waste anyones time.</p>

<p>OP is talking about DO programs…AACOMAS.</p>

<p>My plan was to do two semesters abroad from St. Andrews at William and Mary and maybe one somewhere else, where I could just do all my pre-requisites. Though those classes may overlap with some of the modules I would do at St. Andrews to fulfill my major? Though you are syaing I need to do 90 credits at a US school? :frowning: I can’t afford US schools…they are all expensive. The only US school option I have is UMD and huge state schools don’t appeal to me…</p>

<p>How much will you be paying for St. Andrews?</p>

<p>Would you be able to complete 2 semester of gen chem, 2 semesters of Ochem, 1 semester of biochem, 2 semesters of physics and 2 semesters of biology in just 2 semesters at W&M?</p>

<p>Sounds awful!</p>

<p>Most DO schools require 90 credits from a US accredited college–in your earlier thread I posted a link to the list of all US DO programs. You will need to go thru every admissions page for every school and see if this is a universal requirement. I think I looked about 1/3-1/2 of them and only 1 specificlally said it would consider foreign transcripts and 2 hedged their answers.</p>

<p>This is topic you need to research.</p>

<p>Wait a minute, what about MD programs? I think I am confusing everyone including myself.</p>

<p>St. Andrews would be 11000~ per year, and because my parents always travel I basically get free plane tickets as well. It’s a great deal.</p>

<p>How do I see what MD schools require, instead of DO schools?</p>

<p>You will need to do a school by school search to see if any allopathic medical school (MD) will accept a degree from St Andrews.</p>

<p>Most schools have requirements similiar to JHU SOM which says:</p>

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<p>OR U Maryland SOM:</p>

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<p>UVA SOM is more liberal:</p>

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<p>OP - Have you considered American University of Rome or University of Maryland in Munich? :p</p>

<p>Wowmom - page 20</p>

<p>• Other Schools:
Select the Other option, then select the country in which the school is located and the school name from the designated drop-down lists. If your school is not listed, select “Other (Not Listed).” Modify the name of the school to reflect the official transcript if appropriate. Enter the city in which the school is located and select your program type, indicating your start and end dates from the designated drop-down lists. If you attended this school for summer school only or if you were involved in a study abroad program through this school that was not affiliated with a foreign school, check the appropriate box.</p>

<p>It sounds like AMCAS allows you to list foreign colleges but individual medical schools may have additional requirements? I know a few people who studied engineering in India, did masters here, worked for a few years and then went to medical school. Most of them took the minimum required additional classes to meet the requirements in US. I don’t know anyone who actually went through 90 credit hours get there.</p>

<p>Well, now I’m really sad and don’t have a clue as to what I should do.</p>

<p>St. Andrews is part of commonapp now. I am kind of curious how that works since people are being encouraged to attend St. Andrews from US.</p>

<p>The list for other foreign colleges is just whether or not the school generates reportable transcript. If it’s on the list you must submit an original transcript. If it’s doesn’t, then you don’t. AMCAS does not verify grades from schools that don’t generate a reportable transcript.</p>

<p>RE: your Indian engineers. They completed their MS in the US–which means their graduate institution has verified that they completed a baccalurate elsewhere.</p>

<p>The 90 credit minimum is only for applicants who are working toward their first degree.</p>

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<p>OP–there’s no easy answer. You’re just going to have to look at every med school admissions site to see what the policy w/r/t foreign degrees is.</p>

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<p>Some of the reasons why med schools don’t like foreign transcripts is because the accreditation is done by a different governing body which has different standards. Plus the grading scales are all different which makes it quite difficult to compare applicants.</p>

<p>Just putting it out there - but what about the University of Melbourne? That comes out really, really cheap for me and I got in there as well…</p>

<p>Does that count as “foreign” ?</p>

<p>Australia is most definitely foreign</p>

<p>So is my best bet going to a school in Canada?</p>