<p>I have been trying to find the answer to this and either I can't seem to come up with the right way to Google it or no one knows but if a student who has not finished their junior season in high school wants to go watch a team play at an away contest (so on the campus of another school) is that considered an off-campus contact and if so, would that be a recruiting violation (DI)? One of the schools our D is interested in has a game near our house and if we go watch, can she talk to the coach there without violating NCAA rules? I don't know if since the coach is there in an "official capacity" for the school if that is still considered an 'on-campus' visit or not.</p>
<p>I’m almost certain that would be considered off-campus contact. But the burden of compliance is on the coach, not you. If you go to the game, meet him and he terminates the conversation immediately upon finding out she’s a junior, you’ll know why.</p>
<p>varska is completely right-- you or your kid will never be dunned-- only the coach, so if they speak with you, they think it is fine, if they don’y, it is because they don’t think so. I found it was always great to watch a prospective team play in both venues to see how the coach coaches–regardless of whether they talk or not.-- the coach will also know that they have been there, which shows continued interest.</p>
<p>The coach may say “Hello Mr/Mrs Jones, Hello Sally” but that may be about it. No coach. especially the Division 1 coaches, want to accused of recruiting violations, especially in the non-revenue sports. D 1 basketabll & football cause enough issues for many university compliance officers.</p>
<p>Here is a link to Division I recruiting rules: <a href=“Legislative Services Database - LSDBi”>Legislative Services Database - LSDBi;
<p>Thanks everyone. I’ve read through the DI recruiting rules and there wasn’t anything addressing being at an away contest in the official capacity of the school. I figured it was considered “off campus” but I was reading a blog that eluded to the possibility that since it was still a school function it could be considered “on campus” but it still didn’t sound right. I realize that these rules are in place for good reasons but it sure makes it hard to meet with coaches if you are not in a fall sport.</p>
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<p>Very true, Steve. It seems like the rules are in place to protect a small number of blue-chip football and basketball recruits who would be relentlessly hounded. For the vast majority of kids trying to get themselves recruited - it just makes life difficult. Also, these rules really give an unfair advantage to kids who have coaches who are well-connected with college programs and can act as a liaison. The parent/kid team is really left out of the loop.</p>
<p>SteveMA–I’m so sorry; I didn’t mean to be unhelpful; I misread your OP.</p>
<p>I am no expert on the recruiting rules, as I am just going through the process myself. Based on my limited knowledge, it seems to me that this situation falls under the general rule prohibiting off-campus recruiting contacts before July 1 after the student’s junior year. I agree with other responses stating that the coach can greet your D, and that’s about it.</p>
<p>My son plans to attend a match of a prospective college soon, but we don’t plan to speak with the coach, who we presume will be busy coaching before, during and after the match.</p>
<p>My daughter is a sophomore and we have gone to see several matches where the college she is interested in is the visiting team. She usually emails the coach before we go to let them know she will be there. Most of the coaches respond back to her saying that they can’t talk but to make sure that she stops by and say hello. She has talked to about six or seven coaches this way. Most of the conversations last anywhere from a few minutes to ten minutes. The content of the conversation is usually very general ranging from “how are you doing” to “Tell me about yourself”, or something about the match. They stay away from recruiting type subjects. She always follows up a few days letter with an email. This has opened a dialogue with several coaches and her.</p>
<p>tpmcinty–see this is where it gets into those confusing NCAA rules. Do the coaches know she is a sophomore? Technically they can’t email her back until Sept 1 of her junior year for most sports. According to the NCAA rules even saying “hi” is considered “contact”. I suppose since your DD goes up to them first they are “getting around” the rules maybe?? Then add in DIII and all of that is different from DI and DII.</p>
<p>Technically none of the contests are playing “on” campus for a couple of the schools DD is considering (off campus venues). It’s all so confusing. </p>
<p>Schokolade–you were still helpful–sorry it sounded like you were not.</p>
<p>Oh, and another “confusing” rule. One school D is looking at a friend knows one of the regents for that school and he said the regent said to call when we go to visit and he will take us out for dinner and on a personal tour of the campus. I am pretty sure that is not ok since she will be a recruited athlete, but then again is it ok if we don’t talk sports??</p>
<p>SteveMA – sorry I missed that you were talking about a DI school. Most of my daughter’s contact has been with DIII schools. She has gotten a few emails from DI and DII schools informing her of matches and such and encouraging her to come. In every email she sends she always mentions her class year.</p>
<p>We have been told that the DI and DII contact rules are changing. From what we have been told the coaches will be able to contact her starting June 15th after her sophomore year which is this coming June. The contact is limited to emails, letters, and texts. Anyone else hear about this? We have been told by several different people at different recruiting information events we have attended. Several of these people were DI and DII coaches.</p>
<p>tpmcinty-I just did a quick search on that because I hadn’t heard that. It looks like there are some changes underway. Some of the information I read was specifically for Men’s basketball, still looking if this is across the board.</p>
<p>I thought the June 15 rule is only for men’s basketball.
<a href=“http://www.ncaa.com/news/basketball-men/article/2011-10-27/board-revamps-recruiting-regulations[/url]”>http://www.ncaa.com/news/basketball-men/article/2011-10-27/board-revamps-recruiting-regulations</a></p>
<p>You guys have found the same information that I found. That is why I am confused. The people that have told us of the change to June 15th are directly involved in recruiting in her sport and it is not Men’s Basketball.
These recruiting rules are worse than dealing with taxes.</p>
<p>As we understood this, so long as the student is the one initiating the contact it is OK. The athlete may approach the coach, who may discuss the program in general terms but must steer clear of any discussion regarding the specific student and his recruitment. Our D visited a number of schools unofficially in her sophomore and junior year. She’d e-mail the coach to say she was planning to be on campus on such and such date and would be attending the info session and campus tour at x times and would like to stop by and say hello if he was available. Usually the coach would tell her to call him when she was done the tour and he would meet her or to stop by his office afterward. To me, approaching the coach at a game is the same thing so long as its the athlete who initiates.</p>
<p>I don’t know about the new rules though.</p>
<p>TheGFG-on campus contact is always ok on unofficial visits, except for during the 'dark days" where no contact anywhere is allowed. Technically as a sophomore the visit with the coach should have been arranged with the admissions office and he shouldn’t have emailed you back, junior year it is ok to email back (for most sports).</p>
<p>I did find that the change to the 15th is for DII sports, not DI except for men’s basketball. I still think the contact dates should be staggered depending on the season of the sport.</p>
<p>SteveMA-one possible way to get around the no off-campus contact rule at a game, etc (I’ve asked a couple DI coaches about it and they scratched their heads and couldn’t figure out why it wouldn’t be legal): the player is allowed to call the coach at any time, correct? Why can’t he walk up to the coach, say hello and call him while standing right there? If they are talking to each other on the phone, as I understand it, it should be fine. If this doesn’t sound right, please let me know!</p>
<p>momochan–I suppose technically you would be within the letter of the law with that. If you were a top recruit for a revenue sport, I don’t know that I would play that game though.</p>
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<p>Haha, actually that would be allowed - very Monty Python-esque!</p>