<p>taxguy, thanks so much. This is excellent. I'm happy that Wooton allows unrestricted guest access. Many other schools have guest access only with a password.</p>
<p>Yes, I frankly don't see why there should be any restricted access. To me, the dissemination of knowledge helps everyone.</p>
<p>Well- the restricted access is because the schools have to pay for the database.</p>
<p>taxguy, this is fascinating. For Harvard, of 42 applications there were only 2 acceptances and 1 waitlist with the lowest accepted SAT of 1590 (average applicant 1476) and weighted GPA 4.68. I know Wooton HS because my hubby graduated from the now extinct Peary HS nearby and it's a tough school. Sheesh...look what these kids are up against.</p>
<p>Yeah, but look at Davidson. Things that make you go Hmmmm. Four applications, and the person with the lowest (substantially lowest) stats is the only acceptance. Athlete? URM? Legacy? Hard to really take anything away from some of these charts unless there is a large enough sample like the Ivy's, UMD, etc.</p>
<p>Quiltguru, yes, everyone on CC should go to the URL that I posted. I could have a lost weekend search schools with this site.It will really give some idea of each college admission standards.However, as I said, it may be skewed due to the competition from our school and due to other special ECs.</p>
<p>My D's HS uses TCCI and it was almost perfect in predicting where our D and her friends would be admitted--once we discovered that the kid with a 1350/3.4 who was admitted to Harvard last year was an athlete, and the similar kid who was admitted to Columbia was a HUGE legacy. It was a great tool, but DO dig for more details on admissions that don't look quite right.</p>
<p>While noodling around I found an old thread in the archives that listed a number of tcci sites for various schools</p>
<p>ooops -- linked to the wrong thread. I'll find it again and re-post.</p>
<p>Here's the correct link (I hope)
<a href="http://www.collegeconfidential.com/cgi-bin/discus/show.cgi?5/77924%5B/url%5D">http://www.collegeconfidential.com/cgi-bin/discus/show.cgi?5/77924</a></p>
<p>Thanks to Taxguy for posting the link to a very interesting no-password-required scattergram site. And thanks to lderochi for posting a link to the old thread where many of us first learned of these scattergrams. </p>
<p>Is anyone up for updating the list?</p>
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Not me, unfortunately -- bad enough that I discovered the list during working hours. It's been a very unproductive afternoon! :)</p>
<p>Whoa, taxguy--looks like the top UCs are safety schools for your Maryland kids. And the Harvard scattergram looked like a sea of red with a dab or two of green in it. Very interesting.</p>
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<p>Safety schools? Hardly, especially considering MD = out of state for Berkeley, UCLA, etc. Don't forget the skew - it tends to be only the top students with top scores that apply to the upper-tier. The rest of Wootton isn't so overachiever-ish. ;-)</p>
<p>Oh, and the running joke at Wootton about Harvard is that they take a Wootton student every three or four years just to keep us applying...</p>
<p>What do you suppose is the reason for this? Are the GC's not doing their jobs as advocates? The SAT's and GPA's of these students applying are certainly quite high.</p>
<p>The problem, in my less-than-expert opinion, tends to be too many numerically qualified applicants, both from Wootton itself and from the entire Montgomery County area (Richard Montgomery, Blair, Churchill, and Whitman High Schools all put out on a level comparable to Wootton's), as well as the diversity of the applicants. Wootton students are around 35% Asian, last time I heard, and I'm sure that many, if not most, of those high-scoring students are hurt by their race as well as their extracurriculars. (The only sports Wootton is consistently good at are volleyball and tennis, stereotypical "Asian sports," and some of the biggest clubs include the Asian-American Club and many math- and science-related groups.)</p>
<p>Dear Creme, you grasp the situation quite well--although I think you're attributing WAY too much to Asian-ness. If your average Ivy admits 1,000 freshmen, figure at least HALF of those spots go to athletes, legacies, French Horn players, a smattering of "locals" to maintain good relations with the home town, and friends-of-the-adcom. Places like Harvard want to maintain their "international" influence with admits from House of Saud, Hong Kong financier families, and various Eurotrash dynasties, so even more seats are spoken for. Bottom line: given that there are THOUSANDS of American high schools, your HS is LUCKY if you get one kid admitted every three years. Your best shot at getting in to Harvard--assuming you're not a Saud, a Kennedy, or a Kerry--is to live in Cambridge, go to public school, and play really great baseball.</p>
<p>Amazingly, our high school, a mediocre, very heterogenous public school, has gotten one kid into Harvard in each of three out of the past four years. And not one of them was an athlete, URM, or legacy, and none of them played an unusual instrument or had music as their major hook. Two out of the three were accomplished young women, both known for exceptional creative writing (both were also very successful in forensics--one in speech, the other debate).The third, my son, was a research/debater kid who did have national recognition in both. However, I must admit that prior to the last 4 years, I don't think we got a kid into Harvard for the preceeding 6 or 7.</p>
<p>taxguy,
Thanks for the link. Since you are just a state away from me, I've found many schools that students in our area also apply to and it's great to get an idea of what's realistic. I know you said that your school weights AP's and honors, but how much do they weight them - 1 point higher for both or .5 for honors and 1 for AP's? </p>
<p>Can anyone (freshman, sophomore's) take AP's? The reason I'm asking is that in our HS only Junior's and Seniors can take AP classes (weighted 1 point, honors weighted.5) and there aren't that many AP's offered so the highest gpa's just can't be much above 4 since there are only 2 years to attain any 5 pointer classes. I notice that there are quite a few students with gpa's above 4.0, although I'm guessing that your school is quite a bit larger then ours and probably your top 10% applied to 6 or more colleges each. </p>
<p>Just wondering if looking at your HS stats, I can compare them to our HS. I wish our HS participated in this program.</p>
<p>Kathiep: The College Board has no rules about what age to take AP's...in fact, if you read the current thread about "skipping grades in h.s.", you'll see there are a number of kids who took AP's even before high school. So, I guess it depends on whether a school district allows students to take AP classes earlier than usual.</p>
<p>Kathiep, as I noted in my post, APs and honors get an extra full point. Our honors are just as hard, if not harder, than AP courses. </p>
<p>Yes, freshmen can take AP courses at Wootton. In fact, Wootton has so many kids taking AP courses that they were rated number 17 in the country by the US News and World Report ranking of high schools. Frankly, I feel that the school overdoes it.</p>