TCNJ or Rowan?

I am now deciding between these two schools, which is very tough! I was accepted into both of these schools as well as TCNJ’s honors program. Rowan Admissions had very little contact with me during the application process, so I just found out that I missed their honors program deadline, but can apply in the fall to join it in the spring.

I have no specific major in mind, so I applied undecided for Rowan and got into TCNJ’s Open Option program for their school of Arts and Communication, which is an area that I think I have an interest in. I visited for an open house a few weeks ago and was very intrigued by their Interactive Multimedia major. I also have a slight interest in education so that I can go on to be a teacher or a coach.

I love TCNJ’s campus and would like to know more about living in Centennial Hall in the honors program. I’m not crazy about Rowan’s campus because of how they are under construction still, but the new buildings and dorms are really nice and the air conditioning is definitely a pull factor.

I would like to participate in club field hockey and/or lacrosse at the college I attend, and I know both these schools have that opportunity. Is one school more competitive than the other?

Due to instate tuition and merit scholarships, Rowan will cost less than $10,000 while TCNJ will cost about $18,000. Although money is definitely an issue for my family, I am willing to work while I am at school to help cover the costs.

As of right now I am seriously leaning toward TCNJ, but my dad seems to really want me to go to Rowan for financial reasons. Any and all advice is greatly appreciated!!! Thank you!

TCNJ is by far the more prestigious of the two. By far.

I’m a GSC (now Rowan) communications alumnus back in the '70s when tuition & books cost $600/semester. Had a nice career. It’s not a high-paying major to start, so any debt will greatly restrict your opportunities when you get out. It’s a terrible feeling to turn down a job you have a passion for and learn your craft to accept a less-interesting job that pays more bills.

For your considered majors, either college would be good. Both have good track records. Neither would give you an edge over the other. Comes down to finances and “feel”. Pick the affordable one where you can visualize yourself getting involved and succeeding.

Both colleges have the club sports you desire. My daughter played both varsity soccer and LAX at Rowan, but moved to club lacrosse after freshman year to have more time for other things. She enjoyed it. The advantage there goes to Rowan. Bigger school, more resident students, so not as much scrambling to field a team. Club game scheduling is flexible. They play each other as well as D-1 club teams. Besides on-campus stuff, there is an indoor/outdoor training center (field hockey/LAX/soccer/basketball) and an ice rink (where club ice hockey plays) in Pitman, one town over.

I’ve been to many, many college campuses over the years. I’d worry more if there was no construction going on. Construction = Investment. TCNJ is now playing catch-up to the major investment and political commitment at Rowan, particularly in STEM majors. Next project: a new hospital down the road, at the Rt. 322/55 exit. If you hate cranes, go to TCNJ (which has its own construction) or another school looking for investment.

It’s also good to keep in mind the different Missions: TCNJ’s is to continue to do what’s it’s been successfully doing for decades: Providing a high-quality college education to young men and women. Until 1992, Glassboro State (now Rowan) was just another state college, like Ramapo, Paterson, Montclair, Kean, Stockton, etc. But Henry Rowan’s $100 million donation in 1992 changed the game - it was the largest gift ever given to a public college IN HISTORY (they’ve added to it, too) ! The mission changed from being just another college to being an economic engine for the entire state and region, and serve neglected but growing markets.

That remarkable gift has forced everyone else to step-up its game. Rutgers has been forced to keep promises. University of Medicine & Dentistry, a political hack-haven, was closed down, with the spoils going to Rutgers & Rowan & Camden. Rutgers engineering school has had to step-up. Stockton is expanding into AC. And TCNJ needed to add a STEM program (not its strength) to compete. Rowan’s gift has also drawn other large donations, such as the Rohrer’s gift to the business school. I see where Ric Edelman, a former classmate and radio station colleague of mine before he went into finance, just donated $25 million. The other state colleges have been pretty much left in the dust.

TCNJ is a very good school, for decades listed as a top “value” college in America. Rowan is on the list, too, but lower. But the rankings (and I’m not a big believer in them) are deceiving. TCNJ is much smaller, so it’s more selective. Rowan will accept students who couldn’t get into TCNJ, but as the father of a boy that chose Rowan over Ivies for engineering (he got a “ride” during the Great Recession), Rowan’s top students can compete with most.

Let’s put it this way (simplified): With its engineering and now medical programs, Rowan will get more A students than TCNJ. TCNJ caters to the B/B+ students. Rowan will also get the B/B+ students, but also more B- students and transfers (from Rowan’s newly-formed network of community colleges in Gloucester and Burlington counties) who selected Rowan over a Rutgers satellite campus or Rutgers-NB.

TCNJ is still primarily a commuter college. Less diverse. It is far more common to see TCNJ students at Rowan and Rutgers on weekends for the “college life” than vice versa. You’ll know people at all three. The intramural programs (co-ed sports & games) are far more advanced at Rowan. For a getaway, there are regular trips to the Shore (AC & Wildwood mostly), Philly, NYC, and DC at Rowan. Not as much at TCNJ.

TCNJ has a pretty campus with greenery and dark brick facades. Rowan’s are more modern (although the communications department is now in a refurbished dark brick building near the Barnes & Noble downtown). But the insides of the buildings are where you’ll spend more time and Rowan’s facilities are excellent. Both campuses are walkable. Both have a small-school feel. Both have a direct and open-door link to your professors. Might be a good idea for you and Dad to visit RateMyProfessors. Check out the ones who you are likely to take at each school in your possible majors. My kids say that the ratings are reliable but, like anything else, should be accepted with a grain of salt.

If you present yourself well and act reliably, you’ll be able to find a job at/near Rowan. The area is booming and easily commutable. There’s the Deptford Mall area and Washington Twp./Cross Keys within 15 minutes and, of course, the college and town itself.

It is a tough choice, and they are two different places and both good choices. You can’t lose. Good luck!

@SpacemanEd - my goodness what a great post - thank you! DS just reluctantly committed to Rowan after being convinced by family & friends to not worry so much about the label/brand and worry more about value for money and overall college experience. I will definitely forward him this post. Just wanted to thank you for your excellent posts which have helped me get through this process!

Some more thoughts, although @SpacemanEd nails a lot of it.
Money: IF you are able to graduate in 4 years, the cost would be
$10 x 4 = $40,000 (plus 10%, since costs will increase, but merit will not)
$18 x 4 = $72,000 (ditto above)

An additional $32,000 in loans is nothing to sniff at. That is about $350 a month for 10 years.

Cent. Hall is the Honors program? HAHAHAHA. That is the place we used to call “The PIT” when I attended TCNJ. It has single sex floors, big old school bathrooms. To say the least it is ugly. I saw that renovated it 8 or 9 years ago, but the layout remains the same. Back in my day the Honors program got New Res. The Honors Program at TCNJ really isn’t much to speak of (see posts on TCNJ about it) The Honors at Rowan is a very active group and a lot going on.

I loved my time at TCNJ, truly truly I did, but I can’t say it is worth an extra $32,000 - or MORE if you don’t graduate in 4 years, which given that you are going in undecided is likely. Even if you weren’t, lots of kids don’t graduate in 4 years and those extra years aren’t free!!

I’ve heard that Rowan has a really excellent “undecided” program - structured to give you exposure to different areas, but also knock off required courses. That was from someone whose kid is in it.

For the record, my daughter did not get into the Rowan Honors program in the fall, enrolled in Honors Comp II, aced it, and got admitted now. The degree won’t say “started Honors one semester late” so it really doesn’t matter. I guess she missed living on the Honors floor in the brand new dorm (HoPoCo) but she lived in HoPoCo anyway…so again…

lol I don’t know why I keep coming on here but I guess given my own recent experience choosing Rowan engineering based on a quality/cost/value comparison with subjectively higher ranked schools I was accepted to, I feel a burden to encourage others in the same situation. Huge debt cannot be ignored. As you are considering a liberal arts degree, if the price were the same, I might go with TCNJ by a narrow margin. However, given that Rowan will result in substantially less debt, I think Rowan is the better choice. Sorry, but I think the more important decision for you should be your intended major. You should consider choosing a major where there are better employment opportunities. My parents, despite my early protesting, are right when they say they wouldn’t help me pay for college unless I made a wise decision to major in a field where the future prospects and available jobs were abundant.

One last thing, I did like the TCNJ campus. It looks nicer in some respects than Rowan, for now. That is rapidly changing given the new dorms, business and engineering buildings and Rowan Blvd were awesome. I felt less isolated at Rowan than TCNJ.

@collegecrazy0311

How are you going to pay? You can only personally take out $5500 total your first year, then 6500 your second and 7500 for 3 more years. That’s it. Where is the rest of the money coming from?

Please make sure you talk to your parents very specifically about the amounts you are asking them to borrow. It has to be them, you aren’t going to be able to borrow the full amount you need. This means they are signing, even if you guys have an agreement to repay them, THEIR name and THEIR credit rating is on the line.

I’m not trying to be a wet blanket here, I just want you to be fully grounded in reality and have a plan!

My parents are paying. When I refer to debt I’m referring to debt that I would have to take as well as my parents.it’s interesting to read the stories of everyone extolling the virtues of paying for expensive private colleges, then reading the many more stories regretting the incredible debt and the “what could have beens” if the went to a state school

@willc That wasn’t directed to you :slight_smile: I completely agree with you on the debt stuff though. I have several friends with juniors and I’m trying politely to help them. A few are getting it, a few are still hung up on Name Brand.

One other thing that I considered in making my choice was if I went to a more expensive private school and whatever merit scholarship money was conditioned on a minimum GPA . The brother of a friend of mine failed to pull his minimum GPA at a very expensive private college last year and had to transfer as a result because the school became completely unaffordable. That is not a scenario that I plan on having myself but I think it’s something that people need to think about when they make the decision To attend private college

We recently sent the deposit to Rowan for my child who got into 8 engineering schools. I’m a nearly retired engineer who went to one of those really expensive, top private schools. What value does one place on prestige? Price/value rapport? Neither Rowan nor TCNJ are all that glitzy. Rowan has amazing lab facilities, an astoundingly low prof/student ratio, great dorms, low costs, a caring leadership in the provost, and other characteristics that objectively make it a up and coming sleeper. For engineering students at least, TCNJ takes a backseat to Rowan. Not even close contest.

If someone were trying to decide between MIT or Cornell and Rowan, I know I’d pick the former rather than the latter.

I already committed to Rowan. Do you think I made the right move rather than going to Rutgers, Lehigh or Stevens? I found Rutgers class sizes, buses and campus size to be completely undesirable. Lehigh and Stevens were nice but I would have had gigantic debt in excess of 100k after 4 years. We were really surprised by Rowan after visiting, doing research on their engineering programs and student outcomes.

Congratulations to your son or daughter by the way

@collegecrazy0311 - you put the same message on 2 boards for the schools in question, and 1 gets almost no action?

Long term, that buzz turns into graduates that turns into reputation.

I have to reply to some of the comments. As the father of someone who just committed to TCNJ, I think there’s some bias against TCNJ for some reason (because this post is on Rowan College Confidential maybe)? Rowan gets more A students than TCNJ? No way. TCNJ caters to the B/B+ students? How? Where are you getting these stats from. A cursory review of accepted students GPA and SAT scores at both schools show TCNJ is much higher than Rowan. More buzz on Rowan Confidential for the same post than TCNJ Confidential translates to more “buzz” thus a better reputation? Laughable. Personally, the original poster probably should go to Rowan for financial reasons and that’s a great reason. But stop making uninformed, false or ignorant remarks in order to support your position. It’s not necessary.

Sorry. Meant “more posts on Rowan…translates to more buzz” instead of “more buzz…translates to more buzz”.

I apologize to NJdad but TCNJ vs Rowan engineering is a slam dunk. I’m not going to objectively list the equipment or the state of the art, brand new labs advantages of Rowan but any knowledgeable visitor who cared to observe would know. The incoming student profile is irrelevant. Neither school is prestigious. I am confident that outcomes will be better for my kid at Rowan. Both schools are good. In our case, Rowan offered a boatload of merit aid. TCNJ offered none. Money was not a big factor. Rowan is not only making huge investments in facility and faculty but also in attracting top students by offering substantial merit aid. Rowan engineering is an up and comer. Besides who cares where you went undergrad.

On all of the notable ranking lists Rowan engineering is ranked higher than some very well known and well regarded schools. My parents and I spoke to so many people including recruiters and engineers and legislators who expressed opinions ranging from Rowan’s already well known reputation to believing that within 5-10 years Rowan’s engineering school will be one of the most competitive engineering schools in The northeast along with Princeton and Stevens. Many expressed the feeling that Rutgers is on the decline by the way due to the increasing issues with campus quality of life. So I view my decision to seek a Rowan degree to be worth even more down the road

Weatherby,

No apology necessary. You and your kid made the best decision for you, and no one can put that down. Rowan is a fine school, especially for engineering. What gets me is the comments of others who feel the need to put down TCNJ based on some non-existing “objective” factors. Different schools are better than others for engineering. And many people decide their college based on financial costs, which is a very important factor and one we didn’t take lightly. TCNJ is an excellent school and I’m glad my son picked it over bigger “name” schools that accepted him, for various reasons including fit, finances and distance. Everyone should be happy that they (or their child) are going to a good school, instead of wasting time putting others’ choices down.