TCNJ does not have a stronger business program. As I described in my prior posts, Stevens is based in mathematics and quantitative science, which enables Stevens business, technology management, quantitative finance, and financial engineering students to be far better problem solvers than traditional non-quantititatve students in liberal arts colleges. This is proven year after year as every Stevens business/TM/QF/FE graduate is recruited and most hired by the major investment banks, government, and financial industries. Stevens students have the highest SATs amd more come from the top 10% of their high school classes than any school in NJ (including TCNJ and Rutgers) except for Princeton U. Stevens is a research university with 22 doctoral programs including the one in business/TM. The high research activity in the business school drives the rigor and strength of the program. Stevens co-ops and internships with the major Wall St investment banks You simply won’t get that at TCNJ. One of my classmates was the CTO of Goldman Sachs and I know another who is VP of Deutsche Bank. By the way, I attended both Stevens and Rutgers (Electrical Engineering and Physics).
just to clarify, TCNJ IS the #! ranked business program in the state of NJ as per Bloomberg(and #34 in the entire country), as per forbes money mag , I think kiplingers as well and as per nj.com. That my friend are the facts. Stevens may well have a good small specialized program but it doesn’t rank , apples to apples with TCNJ. These are facts. And you are COMPLETELY wrong about TCNJ recruitment , it is regularly a recruitment ground for investment banks, venture caps, and big 5. Heck its the #20 ranked accounting program in the nation too. Stevens is a good engineering school and that includes financial engineering.
https://news.tcnj.edu/2016/04/19/tcnj-school-of-business-remains-1-in-nj-according-to-businessweek/
Like I said you’re comparing a small liberal arts college with a research university. There’s no comparison, IMO. The only ranking IMO that is of telling value is Payscale/Bloomberg Business Week’s “What’s Your College Degree Worth, 2016”, which ranks based upon ROI on tuition cost vs. starting and mid-career earnings. This is arguably a measure of the value that the marketplace assigns to the graduates. On that survey- which is quantitative as opposed to the subjective popularity contests of the other publications you mentioned (this Bloomberg/Payscale survey is not the general Bloomberg ranking you cited)- Stevens comes in at twelfth in the entire nation for mid career earnings and ROI. TCNJ is somewhere around 150 on that list, despite having significantly lower tuition (which would increase the ROI equation). That’s the average of all the majors at Stevens business/TM etc included. So, you do the math.
Let me ask the question that a professor asked my son, who was also being recruited for sports:
“Do you want to be a _______ player, or do you want to be an engineer?”
His answer was B. And that’s where he went. He’s now an engineer. Doing well and happy.
For traditional business curriculum in NJ, I’d look at Rutgers (NB & Camden), Rider, Rowan (a lot of cash and political capital is invested in the Rohrer college of business), TCNJ first, in no particular order. Rankings are brochure stuff. As a recruiter, I’ve found that the same companies recruit from all of them and have seen no differentiation of value to those companies based on brick-and-mortar and lush greenery. It all comes down to the student’s accomplishments and where they feel they can succeed best.
I love sports. But it’s no reason to pick a college, any more than any other extracurricular activity. It should enhance the experience, not be the reason for existence. At the highest level, in the best case scenario, it’s over in one’s mid-30s. The most likely scenario is that it prolongs college by a year. Student-Athlete, not Athlete-Student.
For Who? For What?
again your comparing a predominately ENGINEERING school, graduating predominately engineers , to a school with a much much much more diversified student population. You can’t compare ED graduates and art grads etc on payscale to engineers.it only proves its not apples to apples. However , that doesn’t change the fact that its tops in business in NJ and a top program nationally recognized and heavily recruited from. If you don’t like Bloomberg/business week, forbez, money mag, kiplingers , accounting.com, and for good measure here the Princeton review that just came out for TCNJ and nationally they did tremendously well.
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Princeton Review released its 25th “Best 381 Colleges” earlier this week and TCNJ did very well nationally! Here’s a summary of TCNJ’s rankings:
Best Career Services #12
Best Health Services #15
Happiest Students #13
Lots of Race/Class Interaction #19
Most Beautiful Campus #7
Their Students Love These Colleges #6
These rankings are determined entirely by a survey of 143,000 students.
Source: http://www.princetonreview.com/schools/1023902/college/college-new-jersey?fsearch
Other NJ schools did not fare so well. Here’s an NJ.com article about NJ schools: http://www.nj.com/education/2016/08/this_nj_college_has_the_worst_professors_in_the_co.html#incart_most-read_
Princeton Review is no better than the others. Firstly, the publication doesn’t give the number of respondents at each school, so the reader has no way of determining whether or not the sample size represents a statistically valid survey. With respect to silliness like “Profs Get Low Marks”, this reflects the difficulty of the academic program and the difficulty of doing well in a high rigor program such as that of Stevens. It is very interesting that two other highly reputed schools also got ranked by this survey as “profs get low marks” at various times, Rensselaer Polytechnic Institute and Califormia Institute of Technology. Students at those schools as well as Stevens have to work extremely hard to do well, and when they don’t get the grade they think they deserved it’s easy to implicate the professor. You can’t, with a straight face, claim that RPI, Caltech, and Stevens faculty are “low marks”. The opinion of a disgruntled student should be taken with more than just a grain of salt. Of course, with a preponderance of liberal arts, education, and art majors at TCNJ in which good grades are easier than in STEM, you’re not going to have mich professor blaming. Stevens co-op, internships, and career services/recruiting are ranked 15th in the entire nation by Payscle. No other NJ institution comes that high (though Princeton is close). Since you mentioned apples to oranges comparison on salary basis, Payscale did a survey of only engineering graduate salaries. Stevens engineering graduates come in at first in the Northeast and fifth in the US. TCNJ engineering isn’t even mentioned in that survey.
The OP doesn’t appear to have looked at this thread in a while. Seems to have devolved into a “my school is better” thread at this point. The fact is that different schools are better fits for different people. Can we please let it go at that?
so you don’t like lists unless you can manipulate it to support your claims like payscale, but the 10 other list where TCNJ is ranked nationally they don’t count , right? PPlease. You should start your own survey so you can’t get the results you want. in the meanwhile FACTS are TCNJ is top business program in the state of NJ hands down and #34 nationally, plus all the other accolades I already sited. Including happiest students! I get the distinct feeling you think TCNJ being so highly acclaimed somehow detracts from Stevens being a good engineering school. It doesn’t .
Stevens is a good school. Time to move on.
Believe me, TCNJ has nothing on Stevens. The only academic survey that is really quantitatively valid is Payscale. It’s not based on subjective opinions from far from unbiased samples amd is statistically valid.
Has anyone noticed that the OP has “left the building”?
I think the OP has received quite a bit of info on both schools and is digesting it. S/he can start a new thread with more questions.
It cannot possibly be statistically valid for 2 reasons. 1) People report their own salaries and can be lying; 2) It is not a random sample but instead only uses the data from those that respond. That is begging for extreme bias from the most successful of the graduates.