Tell me about CHM 2047

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<p>I know it's like a 6-credit "experience" with 4 credit class, 1 credit lab, and 1 credit think tank or whatever. I know it combines 2045 and 2046 into one semester, but is it worth it?</p>

<p>Is it so completely hard that it's just not possible? I'll hopefully major in chemistry or biochemistry.</p>

<p>If it helps...I got an 800 on the Math SAT, 720 on the Chem SATII.</p>

<p>Is it good? Is it a lot of work? Tell me everything you know about it.</p>

<p>Would I be able to get an A in it? <- That's the most important part.</p>

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<p>They do a lot of advanced chemistry/physics derivations in lecture, but you won't have to do that kind of work on the exams. The exams will be a written out deal (not multiple choice like 2045/2046) and the problems will not be straightforward. I didn't take it (I hate chemistry), but a good friend of mine did and he got an A although not being that good at math. It's more about your chemistry reasoning skills than anything else. The homework they give you is pretty tough. My friend said they are pretty difficult to do by yourself, so make friends in the class and do the problems together. Some of the problems required 3 or 4 heads to figure out. Exams are comparatively much easier than the homework sets. They also curve the class pretty well -- my friend failed 2 of the exams (I believe you get one drop) and did mediocre on a few others and still got the A. According to him, most of the class gets an A , but you have to put in the work. I would review your chemistry a bit before taking it. After the first week alone, they gave an exam on the first 6 chapters of the text when he took it. To give you a perspective of how fast they move, the CHM1025 course only covers the first 5 chapters the whole semester. So it is a serious time commitment and you have to keep up.</p>

<p>You have to write lab reports for your labs, which take time. You do get to play with more expensive equipment since you use a different lab room from 2045/2046. After the first 3 or 4 labs, your labs get short (he was sometimes out of lab in 20 minutes), but they require you to put in the time outside of lab analyzing data and writing the report. So it's a tradeoff. </p>

<p>Taking CHM2047 and PHY2060 is a pretty tough load. I know people who have done it and made it out just fine, but they definitely didn't cruise.</p>

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<p>Gator what would you recommend doing?</p>

<p>I've got 2512, 2060, AST 1022, and WIS 2040. I guess I could drop AST 1022 and WIS 2040 and take CHM 2047. What would you do?</p>

<p>If I do all of the work, study with others, and read everything. Which one is the easier A 2045 or 2047?</p>

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<p>Well, as I said, I hate chemistry so I wouldn't take it. :) </p>

<p>But CHM 2047 is only offered during the Fall semester whereas physics is offered every Fall/Spring. I personally would replace PHY2060 with CHM2047 and leave the remaining courses. Just curious, are trying to finish a year early? Because the people I know who took both were just trying to finish early or were engineering and wanted to get into their major earlier. I don't think it's terribly necessary to take both, although given your stats, you could handle both courses just fine.</p>

<p>If you really do want to take both, I would do as you said, just take 2512, 2047, and 2060. That will give you 13 credits, which is a good load considering the 2 labs (although physics lab is really easy).</p>

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<p>I've got 30 credits coming in...so I guess if I was really trying, that would be getting out in 2 years. </p>

<p>I was considering it for:
1) Beckman scholarship- Dr.Duran told me that was the class they pick from normally
2) Less work total. I do a lot one semester and I don't have to do 2 full semesters of work.
3) It looks like it might be an easier A</p>

<p>Is it an easier A if you know the material and study?</p>

<p>Let's say I know just as much comparatively for a 2047 test as I would for a 2045 test. Would it be easier to get an A in 2047?</p>

<p>I know most of the people who got As in 2047 already know a lot of Chemistry (they got 7s on IB or 5s on AP).</p>

<p>BTW Gator, I think 2512 is 4 credits
2060 is 3+1=4
and 2047is 4+1+1=6
so 4+4+6=14</p>

<p>So 2512,2047, and 2060 would be 14 real hard first semester courses...I know 2047 is only offerred in the fall, which is what kind of angers me lol. Physics is spring and fall.</p>

<p>So I guess I could do
2512 (4)
2047 (6)
WIS 2040 (3)</p>

<p>That's 13 credits....that would seem like a light load, but from what I've heard, it really isn't.</p>

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I've got 30 credits coming in...so I guess if I was really trying, that would be getting out in 2 years.

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<p>2 years is quite a stretch, even with 30 credits. In terms of courses, I guess it's doable, but with labs (chem labs are the most time consuming imo), it is pretty difficult. From a med school viewpoint, it's not a good idea. You would have to put a strong application in a little over a year. IMO, even 3 years is not a good idea for med school. </p>

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Is it an easier A if you know the material and study?</p>

<p>Let's say I know just as much comparatively for a 2047 test as I would for a 2045 test. Would it be easier to get an A in 2047?</p>

<p>I know most of the people who got As in 2047 already know a lot of Chemistry (they got 7s on IB or 5s on AP).

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<p>Yea most people do get A's as I explained, but that doesn't mean it's an easier course. You have to put in the work. Getting an A in 2045 would be much easier if you had the same knowledge comparatively in 2047. CHM2047 requires more chemistry skill.</p>

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BTW Gator, I think 2512 is 4 credits
2060 is 3+1=4
and 2047is 4+1+1=6
so 4+4+6=14</p>

<p>So 2512,2047, and 2060 would be 14 real hard first semester courses...I know 2047 is only offerred in the fall, which is what kind of angers me lol. Physics is spring and fall.</p>

<p>So I guess I could do
2512 (4)
2047 (6)
WIS 2040 (3)</p>

<p>That's 13 credits....that would seem like a light load, but from what I've heard, it really isn't.

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<p>I think taking 13 is fine. Again, I think you could handle 2512/2060/2047 just fine given your stats, but it's just not that necessary imo. If it were me, I would take:</p>

<p>2512
2047
WIS2040 and/or AST1002 (I don't see the harm in taking both)</p>

<p>Your goal is to have a 4.0, taking those 3 in the same semester runs the risk of getting < A in at least one of those courses.</p>

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<p>Gator, there is one problem though.</p>

<p>I took AP Chemistry junior year and I know if I took the AP exam again, I'd probably get a 3 or low low 4. I'd have to do some serious review. But, as of right now, I have credit for 2045 and 2046, but they recommend retaking at least 2046 for medical school. I'm not too familiar with med school requirements, so I guess I'll take their word for it.</p>

<p>Knowing this...would you still drop 2060 and take 2047? Or would you just take 2045 Spring, 2046 Fall of 08 or I might do 2046 Spring, or just do 2047 Fall of 08?</p>

<p>You know my situation real well, so I really do appreciate all of your help.</p>

<p>BTW: What I meant by comparitively was that you were just as prepared for the 2045 class as you could be for 2047, but for the 20456 you'd only have 2045 knowledge if that makes any sense. Like, if you were as prepared as you could be for 2045 and you'd get an A, you probably wouldn't get an A on a 2047 test.</p>

<p>If I prepare as much as I can (plenty of studying and reading) which one is easier to get the A in? Is the curve easier for 2047, I saw Duran was one of the people teaching 2047 and I met him...he seems cool, is he?</p>

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<p>I just emailed Dr. Duran about my situation (oddly enough he's a teacher of it, he probably should have mentioned that to me when I asked him about it lol). So we'll see...</p>

<p>I do think 2512, 2047, and 2060 could pose a possible threat to a 4.0. But 2512 and 2047 or 2512 and 2060 probably would not.</p>

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What I meant by comparitively was that you were just as prepared for the 2045 class as you could be for 2047, but for the 20456 you'd only have 2045 knowledge if that makes any sense. Like, if you were as prepared as you could be for 2045 and you'd get an A, you probably wouldn't get an A on a 2047 test.

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<p>2045 would be much easier, still. The thing with 2047 is that they basically assume you know 2045 (they still go over it), but it is basically taking a more advanced version of 2046.</p>

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If I prepare as much as I can (plenty of studying and reading) which one is easier to get the A in? Is the curve easier for 2047, I saw Duran was one of the people teaching 2047 and I met him...he seems cool, is he?

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<p>My friend liked the other guy that taught with him more (Krause), he thought Duran was sometimes a little uptight, but he's okay. The curve is nicer for 2047, but it is easier to get an A in 2045/2046 imo. 2047 is doable, but it's harder than 2045/2046 due to the fast pace of the course. </p>

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I took AP Chemistry junior year and I know if I took the AP exam again, I'd probably get a 3 or low low 4. I'd have to do some serious review. But, as of right now, I have credit for 2045 and 2046, but they recommend retaking at least 2046 for medical school. I'm not too familiar with med school requirements, so I guess I'll take their word for it.</p>

<p>Knowing this...would you still drop 2060 and take 2047? Or would you just take 2045 Spring, 2046 Fall of 08 or I might do 2046 Spring, or just do 2047 Fall of 08?

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<p>Med schools could honestly care less about which chemistry course you take, as long as you do well in them. I have the same philosophy on chm2047 as I do in PHY2060 -- you will learn more in the course as compared to the regular sequence. In terms of the MCAT, I think the best preparation for the exam is the learning done in your coursework. With that in mind, I think it's better to take chm2047, although you will probably be doing more work. I think I would hold off on taking PHY2060 until the Spring semester and take 2047 with your other remaining courses.</p>

<p>BTW: I think reviewing basic chemistry topic before the course starts won't be much of a problem. Remember my warning about the exam they give you after the first week, it's best to be prepared for those basic topics before the course begins.</p>

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<p>GatorENG, I think you're right, but the problem with taking that much information in so little time, I wouldn't doubt that with 2060 out of the way, I could get an A in it, but it'd be just like AP Chem and I'd forget like 60% of the information 2 years later when it's time for the MCAT.</p>

<p>I think I'd have a much higher retention rate of information if I took the 2045/2046 sequence (since it's basically review anyway) than 2047 where it's all just cram, cram, cram. Argh, this really is a hard decision. :&lt;/p>

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I'd forget like 60% of the information 2 years later when it's time for the MCAT.

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<p>Nah, you're chem major. Those topics will be buried into your skull, you will invariably have to review relevant topics for the MCAT, but that's the case with any subject.</p>

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<p>Calculus,
National Merit students need to take 15 credits a semester. You may want to add Honors Science for Life and/or Freshman experience if this applies to you.</p>

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<p>I think Duran wants me to do research for credit with one of the chem professors (IDH 4905 or something).</p>

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<p>Is it necessary to take CHM2047L along with the CHM2047 course?</p>