<p>Based on the overwhelming odds it was a guy/guys, I think the university’s response was appropriate–although I wish it had come sooner. What do you think they should have done? Just ignore it and laugh at the “funny” “feminazis” and their “knee-jerk outrage”?</p>
<p>who puts up a poster about “how not to get charged with rape” ???</p>
<p>that’s inviting a response of this kind, IMO.</p>
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<p>maybe they should’ve had everyone in the dorm go to the meeting.</p>
<p>you probably don’t think it’s ok to immediately assume that muslims are more likely to cause danger in the airport, but it’s perfectly acceptable to immediately assume that males did this.</p>
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A dorm meeting of the males and females together right after that horrible note was discovered? Seriously? Brilliant idea. Would have loved to have been a fly on the wall. :rolleyes:</p>
<p>I hope you are kidding. Makes perfect sense to have a meeting with the males and address the issue. Perhaps a separate meeting with the women (with a slightly different agenda) might have been in order. The likelihood that that was written by a female is slim and none. To even suggest it is a bit offensive. And ignorant. Yes, it IS reasonable to assume a male wrote this.</p>
<p>^What jym said.</p>
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<p>Wow! That’s quite a run-on series of both biased and ignorant statements! (Those qualities are frequent companions.)</p>
<p>A whole plethora of similar incidents says otherwise. Does everyone forget the CC knee-jerk reaction to the alleged Duke Lacrosse depravity? Allot of people then took the Duke opportunity to publicly identify themselves as despicable individuals. The real crime there was committed by the many self-assured accusers who knew nothing about the situation, but used the opportunity to further their own hate and bias (and to titillate their pleasure sensors?) by inflicting harm on innocent individuals. Have we forgotten this so soon?</p>
<p>Nope, toblin, this is nothing like the Duke LAX case. You obviously do not understand women very well at all. The ignorant one here is not me. So please take your insults and go play in another sandbox.</p>
<p>Sounds like you like to use suggestive language and beat up on women. Charming. Spent any time in the U Miami dorm bathrooms lately?</p>
<p>Sorry, that was strong, but your attack was quite out of line.</p>
<p>Women are not inherently better than men, and they can be vicious, insensitive and tasteless as men. I find it wrong to convene a meeting only with men under the assumption a female student couldn’t have just posted that flier pretending to be a male.</p>
<p>Who said anything about one sex being “better” than the other? And whose to say that they didn’t also have a meeting with the female residents? Is it possible that a female wrote this thing and put it in the guys’ bathroom? Anything is possible. Is it likely that a female wrote a list of graphic ways to assault other women? No. </p>
<p>Add to this that “According to the Miami University police website, 27 sexual assaults were reported on the Oxford campus from 2009 through 2011, and 19 of them were alleged to have happened in dorms.” <a href=“http://news.cincinnati.com/article/20121012/NEWS/310120154/Miami-U-flier-Top-ten-ways-to-get-away-with-rape-?odyssey=tab|mostpopular|text|FRONTPAGE[/url]”>Cincinnati News, Sports and Things to Do | Cincinnati Enquirer; in a community of 16K students, where the University’s sexual assault prevention coordinator position happens to have been vacant for a year (the person who accepted the position went elsewhere), and they may not have had clear direction as to how to handle/respond to this incident. But if it is at all possible that some the women might have felt uncomfortable in an “all hands” (ie all residents) dorm meeting after this list was found, then it is definitely reasonable to have had a segregated meeting. Has anyone considered the possibility that any of the female residents of this dorm might have been a past victim of assault and could have been retraumatized or felt very threatened by this note, and by a possible joint meeting with all residents? The separate meeting did demonstrate some sensitivity to this possibility.</p>
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<p>toblin, you don’t have daughters, do you? Can you imagine being a female student on a college campus that was averaging almost 10 sexual assaults a year? (And these are the ones that were reported. There have surely been more that haven’t been.) Would you feel safe? How would you feel if you saw or heard about this flier, especially if you also believed the school had not been making sexual-assault prevention a priority?</p>
<p>The facts are not on your side here. False accusations of rape occur in only 8% of the cases. Yet 70% of rapes do not get reported. And I don’t understand why this distraction about who got invited to the meeting is more important to you than trying to show a little sympathy for the Miami U students who were justifiably rattled by this incident.</p>
<p>Here are some statistics for you, from an organization that focuses on the issue of sexual assault from the perspective of college students.</p>
<p>[One</a> In Four USA](<a href=“http://www.oneinfourusa.org/statistics.php]One”>One In Four USA)</p>
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<p>So if the university found a pamphlet entitled “10 Ways to Lynch a Black Guy”, they should assume it’s equally likely that a black person and a non-black person wrote it?? Get real.</p>
<p>I am bothered by the fact that people look at one case, the Duke Lacrosse case, and expand that into “You see? Women are such LIARS, you should never assume they were ACTUALLY threatened / stalked / raped.” </p>
<p>Ugh.</p>
<p>Let’s see. If, in a dorm with only white and African-American students, a student had posted a similar sort of offensive list regarding treatment of African Americans, would it then be appropriate to have a whites only meeting about dealing with the incident? Or would it be better for healing to invite everyone, rather than reinforcing divisions and fears and exacerbating them?</p>
<p>There is a long history of hate crime hoaxes on college campuses.</p>
<p>[Hate</a> crime hoaxes present burdens, lessons for college campuses | Inside Higher Ed](<a href=“http://www.insidehighered.com/news/2012/07/31/hate-crime-hoaxes-present-burdens-lessons-college-campuses]Hate”>http://www.insidehighered.com/news/2012/07/31/hate-crime-hoaxes-present-burdens-lessons-college-campuses)
[The</a> Badger Herald: UW-Parkside students charged following “hate crime” hoax](<a href=“http://badgerherald.com/news/2012/03/18/uw-parkside_students.php]The”>http://badgerherald.com/news/2012/03/18/uw-parkside_students.php)
[Cops:</a> ‘Hate Crime’ A Hoax - CBS News](<a href=“http://www.cbsnews.com/2100-201_162-607092.html]Cops:”>http://www.cbsnews.com/2100-201_162-607092.html)</p>
<p>We do not know enough to assume that we know either the gender or motivation of the person who posted the flyer.</p>
<p>Even if the flyer were to have been posted by someone who wanted to increase awareness of crimes against women on campus, it would still be free speech.</p>
<p>Just a word on “the alleged Duke lacrosse depravity”:</p>
<p>The fact that the admitted Duke lacrosse behavior didn’t include actual rape doesn’t warrant ignoring that it was plenty depraved. I think one of the reasons why so many people rushed to judgment on the rape charge was that there was a widespread perception – an accurate widespread perception – that the culture of the lacrosse team at Duke was sicko. Pardon me if I fail to admire the boys who did not rape the African-American strippers they hired to perform at their party, but merely teased them a little. They didn’t deserve to be treated like criminals, but they did deserve to be treated like entitled jerks in need of some serious re-education.</p>
<p>Thank you JHS for finding a succinct way to state what bothers me about the Duke LAX situation, just in general. In addition, I find it ridiculous that the same exact posters who are continually outraged by what happened at Duke will question whether or not a woman who got too drunk to get home didn’t “put herself in a situation.” The Duke LAX team certainly put themselves in a questionable situation.</p>
<p>I wonder what would happen to the university, in terms of sexual harrassment, if something like this was allowed to stand without re-education and redress. The department of Justice has made it clear that creating an environment hostile to women constitutes sexual harrassment. I just wonder, does your free speech trump somebody else’s right to be safe? </p>
<p>I’m not sure. But I do question it. I know there were once many who felt black face was just being funny, and I really don’t think that any university, public or private, would allow blackface productions in their buildings., though it is possibly (don’t know) protected under free speech.</p>
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<p>I agree on all points.</p>
<p>I think that holding separate meetings for males and females in this situation is a matter of common sense, simply to enable people to speak more freely. Later they can talk together. It’s a process.</p>
<p>I just remembered this:</p>
<p>When I was in college, a student put up a flyer about some Christian event in our dorm elevator. She adorned it with some graffiti: “Bible Belters!” is the only one I recall. People were upset about the graffiti (both religious students and those who just abhorred intolerance). She quickly came forward and told everyone that it was meant as humor, and that she did it herself. This was a person who was very well-liked on both sides of the religious divide. That was the end of it. </p>
<p>Nowadays, I can imagine some right-wing Christian group getting wind of it, and the next thing you know we’d have had Fox News on site braying about “persecution” of Christians.</p>
<p>I;'m still more disturbed by the hockey team than I am by the poster.</p>
<p>Oh great, another example of college boys (I refuse to call them men) thinking that objectifying and demeaning women is “funny”…at Amherst, of all places. This is in the context of an alleged sexual assault. Please be sure to check out the t-shirt design.</p>
<p>[Amherst</a> Sweeps Sexual Assault Allegations Under the Rug](<a href=“Amherst Sweeps Sexual Assault Allegations Under the Rug”>Amherst Sweeps Sexual Assault Allegations Under the Rug)</p>
<p>Here’s the CC thread on it that started up last night too.</p>
<p><a href=“http://talk.collegeconfidential.com/parents-forum/1404568-administration-handling-sexual-assault-2.html[/url]”>http://talk.collegeconfidential.com/parents-forum/1404568-administration-handling-sexual-assault-2.html</a></p>
<p>**Anyone who advocates “group guilt” as a way of furthering their agenda is a despicable person. **</p>
<p>Can that be argued?</p>
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<p>so… if 1 in 4 women are raped, then 1 in 4 men are rapists… yes? Or 1 in 10 men rape 2.5 women?</p>
<p>[IWF</a> - One in Four? Rape myths do injustice, too.](<a href=“http://www.iwf.org/news/2432517/One-in-Four-Rape-myths-do-injustice-too]IWF”>One in Four? Rape myths do injustice, too. | Independent Women's Forum)</p>