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<p>Yeah, this is surely the primary reason why so many qualified young men forgo teaching for other careers. The threat of predatory teenage girls developing crushes and then freaking out when their love is unrequited is a huge problem in our schools.</p>
<p>yep… also the reason why men get harassed (and even the cops called) for playing with their kid at the playground.</p>
<p>Why shouldn’t letourneau people have tshirts?</p>
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It was spelled “Letourneau” as in Mary K Letourneau, not “LeTourneau U” as in the school in Tx. But its easily confused. I could be mistaken, but the way the tshirt was made, it seemed to be a mockery on Mary Kay Letourneau, which is what was offensive. If it was the latter (the U in Tx) then I am mistaken. I spelled it incorrectly in the earlier post. Apologies for the confusion.</p>
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It is really unlikely that a male parent would have the cops called on him for playing innocently with his child on the playground, unless what some see as “playing” is not in an appropriate fashion, and was disturbing to other people on the playground, not to mention perhaps the child as well.</p>
<p>I feel that I have to repeat that this was speech. It is constitutionally protected, even if it is offensive (in my view, especially if it is offensive). It would be protected even if it were posted on a public bulletin board, or published in the school newspaper. While there are hate crimes, it is not a crime to hate, nor can it be a crime to speak about your hatred as long as you don’t incite immediate violence. Miami of Ohio is a public university. Now, it may well be that it will get away with punishing this speech–if it can find anybody to punish–but punishing speech is un-American. The way to respond to offensive speech is with more speech.</p>
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<li><p>Hunt, how can I post when you say it better than I was going to? :)</p></li>
<li><p>I’m glad I’m not the only person who missed the Letourneau thing.</p></li>
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<p>Trivia: An extended family member of mine was a roommate of Mary Kay LeTourneau’s at Arizona State.</p>
<p>1 in 4 seems perfectly logical to me, and some women have been raped more than once. Since this isn’t usually Thanksgiving dinner conversation, I’m not surprised that some people wouldn’t find this statistic plausible. But get a group of women together in a setting that is ‘safe’, and you’ll be amazed at the stories we have to tell. Sad, but true.</p>
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Was your extended family member a 12-13 year old boy? She seems to like them…</p>
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<p>Very true. In my circle one in four would be lowballing it a bit. I can’t think of one who pursued it legally, just too hard to go through for little chance of justice.</p>
<p>jym: it’s more than a rare occurrence, judging by the news.</p>
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<p>the second part of this sentence has nothing to do with the first.</p>
<p>roughly half the women that the 1 in 4 study claimed were raped, said they weren’t raped.</p>
<p>CDC says 1 in 5. [CDC</a> Online Newsroom - Press Release: December 14, 2011](<a href=“http://www.cdc.gov/media/releases/2011/p1214_sexual_violence.html]CDC”>CDC Online Newsroom - Press Release: December 14, 2011)</p>
<p>soccerguy,
Can you kindly provide some links to support that? That men playing on the playground with their own children getting turned in to the cops in any more than some miniscule number is extremely hard to believe.</p>
<p>Actually, I have read numerous articles in which men have reported being viewed with intense suspicion when they took their children to playgrounds. Can’t quote any stats, though.</p>
<p>Apparently the students responsible for the flier have been identified and will be disciplined. It sounds like they will be facing criminal charges as well - no idea what those would be though. <a href=“Cincinnati News, Sports and Things to Do | Cincinnati Enquirer”>Cincinnati News, Sports and Things to Do | Cincinnati Enquirer;
<p>Hunt, or another attorney, please tell me how these is illegal, or if it is illegal, given it is civil and about federal funding and not about criminal proceedings:</p>
<p><a href=“http://www2.ed.gov/about/offices/list/ocr/letters/colleague-201104.pdf[/url]”>http://www2.ed.gov/about/offices/list/ocr/letters/colleague-201104.pdf</a></p>
<p>Just a guess-- but maybe they could be charged with 2917.01 Inciting to violence. [Lawriter</a> - ORC - 2917.01 Inciting to violence.](<a href=“http://codes.ohio.gov/orc/2917.01]Lawriter”>Section 2917.01 - Ohio Revised Code | Ohio Laws)
<a href=“A”>quote</a> No person shall knowingly engage in conduct designed to urge or incite another to commit any offense of violence, when either of the following apply:</p>
<p>(1) The conduct takes place under circumstances that create a clear and present danger that any offense of violence will be committed;</p>
<p>(2) The conduct proximately results in the commission of any offense of violence.</p>
<p>(B) Whoever violates this section is guilty of inciting to violence. If the offense of violence that the other person is being urged or incited to commit is a misdemeanor, inciting to violence is a misdemeanor of the first degree. If the offense of violence that the other person is being urged or incited to commit is a felony, inciting to violence is a felony of the third degree.
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or maybe 2917.11 Disorderly conduct. <a href=“http://codes.ohio.gov/orc/2917.11[/url]”>http://codes.ohio.gov/orc/2917.11</a> <a href=“2”>quote</a> Making unreasonable noise or an offensively coarse utterance, gesture, or display or communicating unwarranted and grossly abusive language to any person;</p>
<p>(3) Insulting, taunting, or challenging another, under circumstances in which that conduct is likely to provoke a violent response;</p>
<p>(4) Hindering or preventing the movement of persons on a public street, road, highway, or right-of-way, or to, from, within, or upon public or private property, so as to interfere with the rights of others, and by any act that serves no lawful and reasonable purpose of the offender;</p>
<p>(5) Creating a condition that is physically offensive to persons or that presents a risk of physical harm to persons or property, by any act that serves no lawful and reasonable purpose of the offender.
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<p>Are people looking at men funny or are they being harassed and interrogated by cops?</p>
<p>In my opinion, any prosecutor who brings a criminal case on these facts should be disbarred. But maybe it will happen anyway. As usual, people care about free speech until somebody says something they don’t like.</p>
<p>But, Hunt, according to the letter from the office of civil rights on sexual harrassment on college campuses receiving federal funds, allowing this to stand not investigating would leave an institution open to a title IX investigation by DOJ. I’m not sure why you think people can put things on bulletin boards in privately or publicly owned property… but, I’m not sure that it is actually protected as speech.</p>
<p><a href=“http://www2.ed.gov/about/offices/list/ocr/letters/colleague-201104.pdf[/url]”>http://www2.ed.gov/about/offices/list/ocr/letters/colleague-201104.pdf</a></p>