Tepper Vs. Stern

College Majors Business Major
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<p>I'm in a bit of a pickle here. I can't choose between CMU's Tepper and Stern. :( They're both great schools, but I get the feeling that Stern has the edge in post-graduate employment, and CMU the advantage in that it has a better liberal arts education overall. Would I even do any internships during the school year anyway? The admissions officer also said that virtually all the people who graduate from Tepper would go to NY post graduation anyway, if they wished.</p>

<p>CMU's also (sort of) in the middle of nowhere; it's quite a few hours drive to the next major city, whereas NYC is...well, it's NYC. Pittsburgh was really nice when I visited there, as well, and I adore the fact that CM actually has a campus.</p>

<p>I don't really have a major in mind, but I'm almost positive that it won't be Finance.</p>

<p>Help, anyone?</p>

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<p>Pittsburgh isn't the middle of nowhere, but it isn't a great city either (except for the people who grew up there). I personally think you should go to Stern. I think the deciding factor is going to be whether you want a more traditional college experience or one that is totally like the city in which you reside. NYU's probably the choice here though. </p>

<p>Two questions though:
What kind of experience do you want?
What are you thinking as a major then?</p>

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<p>If you're not thinking of a finance major, choose CMU.</p>

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<p>CMU is like purely a quaint based school(it is a engineering school after all) they have been trying to develop the soft skills now, but it is still alot of math. Depends on what you want to do. and if you are a guy, cmu's ratio sucks</p>

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<p>NYU has a dorm apartment complex not far from main campus, both are good schools but I would go with NYU stern...</p>

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<p>if its business, then its Stern all the way</p>

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<p>I tend to disagree. Stern's focus is so heavily on finance that the other majors tend to get shafted. They're even retooling the accounting courses to put more emphasis on analyzing income statements and balance sheets - in other words, for finance majors. There's also very little entrepreneurial spirit there.</p>

<p>Given your criteria, I'd go with CMU.</p>

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<p>I'd be careful of automatically saying Stern has a superior finance major. The superiority is largely based on the fact that yes, they mobilize almost all their resources around that program, and they're in a particularly spectacular location for recruiting. If you're interested in quant work specifically, though, Tepper and Sloan are pretty much deadlocked as the two best undergraduate quant schools. There's also the issue of NYU having historically horrible financial aid, although I don't know whether or not that's a problem for you.</p>

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<p>Well, I'm leaning towards Stern at the moment. As for the financial aid subject, Stern gave me $6,000 less than CMU did; would the degree from the school pay for itself eventually, though?</p>

<p>And I'm female ;]. The odds are definitely in my favor at CM.</p>

<p>The problem is, as I've stated, that I'm definitely not looking for a job in finance, and I'm not sure how Stern is in the other majors (although the consensus here seems to be that it's terrible). Could someone give some insight into that, if possible?</p>

<p>I even made a spreadsheet for the pros and cons :(</p>

<p>They've come out equal.</p>

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<p>CMU i believe doesnt even have a accounting department. tepper is great for math but nyu is better. even for math based stuff, nyu has courant.</p>

<p>trust me go to stern</p>

<p>reasons to go to stern</p>

<p>nyc v. pittsburg (huh which one is the center of the business world, which one is cooler, which actually have things to do)</p>

<p>social life(cmu, what social life)</p>

<p>girls(do cmu have any?)</p>

<p>liberal arts at Carnegie Mellon(biggest joke in the world, liberal arts at a tech school)</p>

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<p>Both degrees will pay for themselves. If the differential means little to you--which is to say your parents will cover it--I'd probably go to NYU, unless you prefer the students at CMU (which is possible) or you have varied interests (NYU has red-tape issues, not to mention population problems).

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The problem is, as I've stated, that I'm definitely not looking for a job in finance

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What are you looking for?

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tepper is great for math but nyu is better.

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Absolutely not. Not in any reality, no matter how badly yours may be twisted.

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CMU i believe doesnt even have a accounting department.

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They have one major (one department, multiple professors, like most smaller business schools), with multiple tracks. Accounting isn't one of them, but they have the courses.

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nyc v. pittsburg (huh which one is the center of the business world, which one is cooler, which actually have things to do)

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Which one has greater competition for someone who doesn't have a type-A personality, which one has a higher cost of living, which one is already overpopulated, which one is having the entry-level ranks flooded with unemployed people with years of experience recent graduates have to compete with, which one will have massive entry level hiring freezes for the next several years?

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social life(cmu, what social life)

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The social life at NYU is cliquey and disjointed, as the majority of the students go into the city and make friends there.</p>

<p>This is the social life at CMU: University</a> of Pittsburgh

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girls(do cmu have any?)

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The poster is a girl.

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trust me go to stern

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You are one of the least knowledgeable posters on this forum. Why would anyone trust you?</p>

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<p>alright what about liberal arts?</p>

<p>you cannot possibly say CMU has a better liberal arts department than NYU</p>

<p>and nyu has a great math department(ranked #1 for applied mathematics) courant institute </p>

<p>Tepper doesn't have a concentration in accounting</p>

<p>Tepper is known for mathematical analysis and that kind of work which is mainly used in finance</p>

<p>so theoretically you are not looking for a job in finance. of the main business majors that leaves accounting(a concentration CMU doesn't even have), marketing(NYU all the way compared to tepper), operations research(CMU) and actuary science/statistics</p>

<p>most of the jobs relate back to finance</p>

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you cannot possibly say CMU has a better liberal arts department than NYU

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No, they don't, but it's harder to deal with going between schools at NYU than it is at CMU. There's no point to going to a school because their art department is better when you can never actually get into a class at their art department because you're in X subcollege.

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and nyu has a great math department(ranked #1 for applied mathematics) courant institute

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I fail to see how a separate, applied mathematics department at the graduate level applies to an undergraduate business curriculum. MIT and CMU are 1/2 every year for undergraduate quant work, and their CF masters program is about as popular as it gets. NYU is not close in the quant field, no matter how many resources may be directed to Stern's finance program. This is not debatable. What you're saying is the equivalent of me saying because CMU is one of the strongest schools in CS at every level and every subdiscipline means they're the best finance school in the country, because CS is applied discrete mathematics, and it therefore impacts the Tepper curriculum.

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Tepper doesn't have a concentration in accounting

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What does this have to do with anything? Do you seriously think, if a Tepper grad comes out with a GM degree and takes all the accounting courses, that they won't get a job in accounting?

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Tepper is known for mathematical analysis and that kind of work which is mainly used in finance</p>

<p>so theoretically you are not looking for a job in finance. of the main business majors that leaves accounting(a concentration CMU doesn't even have), marketing(NYU all the way compared to tepper), operations research(CMU) and actuary science/statistics</p>

<p>most of the jobs relate back to finance

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<p>You cannot be serious.</p>

<p>GM is the basis of every business school in this country, CIT/IS is almost always the highest paid concentration coming out of business schools and IM is probably now the most popular concentration at business schools. An IS major graduating from CMU makes more than anyone from Tepper or Stern, and the IS curriculum is basically split between CS and Tepper.</p>

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<p>well yeah</p>

<p>i agree to most of the points you made. nyu stern is not superior to tepper in every aspect but certainly it does have its perks. the school is as finance based as CMU is math based. That being said, CMU has more of a reputation in ugrad math courses(though nyu, i contend is still very strong, i think 2003 econ nobel prize winner is a stern professor(did his thesis on time series analysis))
if you are going to do anything with computers go to cmu
marketing-both departments are not known for it, stern is better due to its location
in my opinion both schools are primarily known for finance </p>

<p>the main perk about stern is the location which in tern provides almost unlimited resources and job potential </p>

<p>oh yeah if you want to be a consultant, dont go to stern, i heard half the major consulting firms like bain dont even recruit there</p>

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<p>zoolander - I understand that you're attending NYU Stern next year? Take advice from someone who is currently attending - everything except for finance gets the shaft, even the #2 major, accounting, to a certain extent. </p>

<p>By no means are the other departments subpar, but if you want a more balanced school I'd go with CMU, which is what the OP seems to want. Now, I love Stern, I don't think I would've been as happy at any other school (including Wharton or Yale). It's a very hands off environment. But it does focus almost entirely on finance, so if you don't want to major in that I would very much suggest another school.</p>

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<p>The odds may be good, but the goods are odd. @ CMU hahahaha</p>

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<p>Going past the debate on the strength of each business program, you may want to consider which school is going to offer better general qualities. NYU is very much a "non-campus" university. You're essentially paying to live in New York and take classes. There isn't much of an NYU campus life (compared to other colleges). If you want a "campus life/atmosphere", do not go to NYU. If you want to live in the city, and enjoy going out with a few people you know (vs. "campus activities), go to NYU.</p>

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<p>You have a good choice to make, 2 top but very different schools.</p>

<p>Few things about CMU (parent of CMU grad '05):</p>

<p>Pittsburgh's a nice city. Plenty to do. Most CMU students really like the place. Remember UPitt is practically next door. That's about 40,000total ug and grad students in same area of Pittsburgh, very student friendly...lots of coffeeshops, bookstores, restaurants etc. It's a good college town.</p>

<p>Plenty of nerds at CMU but enough non-nerds too. Most nerds are clustered in CS and engineering. There's a strong Fine Arts influence too (same as NYU).</p>

<p>M/F is 60/40, which is better than plenty of tech heavy schools.</p>

<p>Tepper is small. Only 93 enter per year. Stern by comparison is huge, 2300 total ug so about 600 enter per year if I understand the stats correctly from Stern website. That size difference is something to consider, whether good or bad.</p>

<p>Although NYU is in NYC, the financial capital of the world, it's not like you're going to attend class, then hurry downtown same day for an internship, at least I don't think so. Basically they are summer positions. The fact CMU's in Pgh doesn't work against getting internships in NY or anywhere, the same as ANY school not in NYC (ie 99% of US universities).</p>

<p>Consider too...S (not Tepper grad, but CS/IS double major w/ management masters so he took a # of business and mgt courses at CMU) spent 5 great years in Pgh, loved the school, and it's possible he could spend the next few decades in NYC where he now lives and works. Perhaps at a better time, with a paycheck and no homework. Most of his friends it seems are in Manhattan, many (like him) working for investment banks.</p>

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<p>kids do get internships during the year.</p>

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<p>Getting jobs in NY would be easier at Stern, but I agree that everything but finance majors get shafted there (which is why about 80% of Stern majors in finance).</p>

<p>CMU, like I've said on other posts need to upgrade half of their facilities (half are like brand-new and the other half are really old--why not do a bit of a makeover on the older half?). Nevertheless, it is great for those doing a CIS/Finance/Math mix--so if you are a math wiz, but not going for finance, then CMU is your place.</p>

<p>Talking about the odds are good but goods are odd--I presume most people on here are aware that about 20% of the NYU men fall into the LGBT persuasion--and also that everyone there smokes. If you are into that, then no problem--if not, then don't go there.</p>

<p>NYU has "no" campus--but it's campus is kind of the whole of greenwich village. CMU is on the east side of downtown Pittsburgh in a pretty good area, but Pittsburgh is not exactly the cultural capital of the world. On the other hand, for those who actually want to meet someone, and settle down, the area outside of Pittsburgh is actually very nice (better than the surrounding mass transit nightmare of NY/NJ/southern CT), and the costs are much more reasonable. The area is growing quickly and Pittsburgh actually has six colleges, meaning that it is a much more college-centric lifestyle than the rush-rush-rush pace of NY.</p>

<p>In summary, some people will love NY, some will hate it--but don't pick the college entirely by the city--although it should come at least somewhat into your decision.</p>