<p>I received 3 F's at a community college while in high school. however, they were not put on my high school transcript, so i can still get into a decent university. how will this affect my med school chances? medical career over before it ever began? im guessing virtually no chance at any top 25 med schools</p>
<p>Your chances aren't blown. But you will have to do very well for this point forward. </p>
<p>Most people are lucky to get into any medical school - much less the top 25 so quit worrying about that one.</p>
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<p>I was very hesitant to tell him anything. 3 F's on a transcript is going to deal a serious blow to his GPA, not to mention the shock value of it. Especially at a CC.</p>
<p>I've never heard of anybody getting admitted with even a single D from their home university -- though, in fairness, I've heard of very few people ever trying.</p>
<p>actually I have a similar question too. I did horrible in high school, in my freshmen year I got a 1.5 GPA, my SATs were a 1660/2400, but by the end of senior year, I managed to pull my overall gpa to a 3.2. Do medical schools look much into your high school stuff? I'm in college and I'm expecting a 3.8-4.0 GPA. How do med schools look at this?</p>
<p>well none of the classes were BCPM if that helps. also, i heard that med school adcoms weigh home university courses alot more than cc courses, and since it was in high school, isnt there some sort of "forgiveness" or "upward trend" (assuming i do well in undergrad) factor?</p>
<p>1.) HS records are not part of your med school app.</p>
<p>2.) Certainly a BCPM class would have "double-counted", if you will, into both your overall and your BCPM GPA.</p>
<p>3.) CC probably means the standards are higher. A's aren't worth much, and bad grades are worth a LOT.</p>
<p>4.) Yes, certainly it would have been worse had you scored this way as, say, a sophomore.</p>
<p>Summary:
Certainly there are ways this could have been worse. You could have gotten them when you were older, they could have been BCPM, they could have been disciplinary infractions, etc. But that's not the question. The question is, are you already dead in the water? And I don't have an answer for you.</p>
<p>(Now, obviously, a ridiculous level of excellence will overcome this. If you manage to found an African international health-care organization. Cure AIDS. Win a Nobel Peace Prize. Etc.)</p>
<p>Normally, "you will have to do well from this point forward" is something you hear said to students who have just received one C from their home institution. I have no idea what to tell a student who's just received 3 F's from a CC.</p>
<p>Wow. Post bac program?</p>
<p>Obviously they don't help the situation.</p>
<p>Your exact chances of getting into medical school are impossible to predict until you develop some sort of post secondary set of achievements.</p>
<p>biggest thing is you HAVE to explain these either in your personal statement or during your interviews - assuming you get interviews. Don't leave it up to the adcoms to guess what happened.</p>
<p>I'd say you are not totally screwed, but I'm just completely uncertain as to what impact this will have...probably all dependent on what you do gradewise as an undergrad. You get a 3.8, that's a lot different than a 3.5...</p>
<p>You have essentially used up any "wiggle" room that might have previously existed and from here on out, you must be outstanding in all facets. Any thing that is slightly lower than normal may just be the end of it. For me personally, my GPA was low, but my MCAT was high, and so that "cushion" allowed one to make up for the other - I think you've likely lost that. </p>
<p>I think you should also probably talk to a pre-med advisor when you do finally choose a school for undergrad.</p>
<p>do those courses appear on your 4-year university transcript? This is a really tricky situation, and id say just leave those grades behind you and make sure that at your 4-year university; you need to get the highest gpa possible. Honestly, i think that because you took these courses at a CC during high school, you have a very good reason if you need to do explaining.</p>
<p>That's academic dishonesty and that is worse than what he currently faces. Some schools may not notice, but if/when one does, they'll talk. Most schools do try to judge you on your character during the admissions process because being a physician, society places such a heavy burden of trust on you. Trying to be sneaky now is not the course of action you want to take.</p>
<p>After thinking about this some more this morning, I think I may have been a little optimistic with my "wiggle" room analogy, that if you have a competitive application that schools will overlook these grades. It is of course impossible to predict what the admissions committees will think when they see this, but you need to spend the next four years thinking that you've started the marathon 10 miles behind everyone else.</p>
<p>I feel like that scene from Dumb and Dumber right now...</p>
<p>"You mean, not good like 1 in 100?
More like 1 in a million.
So you're telling me there's a chance!"</p>
<p>Obviously youre not that far off, and that's a good attitude to have, but you are really going to have to overcome this. I'll give you a pass on being a neurotic pre-med that I typically loathe b/c of your unique situation.</p>
<p>2400 SAT, prism?</p>
<p>I think he means "out of 2400".</p>
<p>Oh, I guess.</p>
<p>I thought he meant 1600 math/writing 2400 combined</p>
<p>That would be quite the comeback for a 1.5 freshman</p>
<p>He actually typed 1660, not 1600. I had to look twice for that one, too.</p>
<p>To follow up on BRM's comments:
This infraction would be worthy of revocation of admission, at any point in time. In other words, you could finish medical school, go through your residency, etc., and your medical school would -- mine has done this for a fourth-year student -- revoke your diploma.</p>
<p>It would ALSO be worth civil charges. While I don't think any school would actually follow up on this, I think it's conceivable that, for example, they would win damages for any financial aid you might have received from them. Lawsuits filed against the hospital during your third year could, too, become much more dangerous.</p>
<p>Finally, you would also expose yourself to criminal charges on fraud and perjury. Again, I don't think a prosecutor actually WOULD file charges unless you had already started seeing patients, but you would certainly be guilty of these crimes.</p>
<p>The good part is that the three F's are at the beginning of the college career and as a "high school student" at that (I'm assuming these were joint enrollment classes). If you do terrific for the rest of your undergraduate college career, I think you still have a shot at it, but you are going to have to really shine and, like it's already been mentioned, it should be addressed in your essays.</p>
<p>I'd also have a good back up plan in case you are rejected for med school.
There are other options that would put you in the medical field.</p>
<p>Obviously I do not have the experience of most of the posters on this board as I am just now going back to start my premed career. However, some of the statements seem a little irrational, especially since these courses were taken while still enrolled in HS. They have different types of admissions at CCs that could void any grades he/she receives from being part of his/her post-HS career.</p>
<p>I find it difficult to assume that if the student was a joint-student and still, technically, a HS student that adcomms would hold what that student did against them, while that student's peers who received 3 Fs in HS classes gets off the "hook." Although there could be double standards like this, I would assume that it is not the case such that these courses could not be applied toward any post-secondary school (i.e. credits, if passed, could not be used in a CC curriculum or 4 year university curriculum) and only toward the HS that the student is attending.</p>
<p>To the threadstarter, if I were you, I would contact some adcomms and explain the situation, that you are a joint-student who did not do well in your courses at the CC, emphasize that you are a HS student and ask if these courses need to be included in your application. Also understand that everything I am posting here is purely off of my own feelings/common sense and have absolutely no experience or fact to back any of these statements.</p>
<p>The AMCAS instructions are quite clear that all college-level coursework is to be included. I believe that that has a ten-year expiration (moot in this case), but I'm not 100% sure of that.</p>
<p>Medical schools individually will decide whether they care or not, but the inclusion of this data is not a decision for medical school admissions committees -- except in terms of post hoc redress decisions. Until then, it's a matter of AMCAS policy, and they will make you certify a form indicating that you have not omitted any coursework.</p>
<p>Friends who took college-level coursework during high school -- and who received C's and low B's -- investigated this, and AMCAS was quite firm on the point that it should be included.</p>
<p>Certainly it is worth following up by making some phone calls to AMCAS and the AAMC. It will certainly prove to be a pleasant surprise for you if I prove to be wrong, and I promise to eat several sheets of paper in celebration.</p>
<p>Thank you all for the replies. To clarify, I have no intention of hiding these grades. I will report them to AMCAS for my GPA re-calculation. However, I was just wondering if undergraduate success would be futile and that these 3 F's would essentially raise a red flag and my application is no longer considered.</p>
<p>Hi DK,</p>
<p>Yes, the details regarding omission was addressed to the general public/audience, not specifically to you. Sorry if I gave any other impression.</p>
<p>As to your actual question, I am afraid I don't have an answer -- but I must confess that I am feeling rather pessimistic on your behalf.</p>