<p>Does anyone have information on SAT/ACT test scores, GPA and other non performing requirements from the various programs. Also some indication as to the importance of these to the acceptance process. We have visited or talked to several schools and it seems many put a focus on the audition, but I am sure they have some level of minimum requirement.</p>
<p>Maybe this will help a little.</p>
<p>Of the TOP TIER schools my students have been accepted into, this is my observation: </p>
<p>Most emphasis on academics:
NYU/Tisch
USC
UCLA
Northwestern
Boston University
U of Michigan</p>
<p>Medium emphasis on academics:
Carnegie-Mellon
SMU
North Carolina School of the Arts
Emerson
Syracuse
Ithaca
Evansville
Indiana
U of Miami</p>
<p>Less emphasis on academics:
Webster
University of the Arts
Elon
Cal Arts
OCU
Florida State
SUNY Purchase
Otterbein
OU
Boston Conservatory</p>
<p>I have never had a student audition for/be accepted at Cal State Fullerton, Cincinatti or Julliard. Maybe someone else can chime in about those schools. I am sure they will!!</p>
<p>This in not meant to be a judgement on any one school, just my opinion from my own experience.</p>
<p>xxx,Mary Anna</p>
<p>There is a LOT on this subject in the archives of this forum.
One point I would disagree with Mary Anna on: Carnegie Mellon is all about the audition. maybe 80 percent or more. That is not to say you can be a D student, but you do not have to be an A student with exceptionally high SATs either. </p>
<p>Generally speaking you have two different ways schools approach things:
1. Michigan for example does the academic screening first and then invites you to audition. At the point you pass through the academic screening, all applicants are equal (irrespective of whether one has 1200 SATs, one has 1400, etc.). The academic screening, according to Michigan, is just to make sure you are qualified to deal with a rigorous school-- SATs (based on 2 subjects, not 3) they say are just 1150. </p>
<ol>
<li>most other schools you do the audition, the department decides who it wants and then admissions decides if they are acceptable. It is not a situation, as best as I understand it, where the theater department sends over an oversized list of desirable candidates and admissions than "ranks" them academically. Rather, admissions is just making sure that the t heater department's "picks" are acceptable.<br></li>
</ol>
<p>The bottom line is call the individual schools that you are interested in.And also see if you can find the old postings on this very same subject on CC. </p>
<p>Non auditioned based schools with a BA (such as Northwestern) of course consider academics.</p>
<p>For over 100 years, Oklahoma City University has been a comprehensive, selective private university. Here are the minimum requirements for first time, undergraduate freshmen at Oklahoma City University (note-transfer students have different requirements).</p>
<p>Minimum requirements:</p>
<p>ACT - 22 or above
SAT - 1020 or above
GPA - 3.00 or above
and you must rank in the top 50% of your graduating senior class</p>
<p>Click here for additional admissions information (and you can apply on line!)
<a href="http://www.tgimatocu.com/undergrad/%5B/url%5D">http://www.tgimatocu.com/undergrad/</a></p>
<p>We have begun accepting applications for the Fall 2006 semester. We do recommend applying early for the best scholarship consideration. OCU awards over $5.4 million in academic scholarships each year. In addition, the Bass School of Music awards their own talent based scholarships.</p>
<p>Those who do audition for OCU at our first audition round (Nov 18th and 19th) will know in December their acceptance status. To schedule an audition, just click here:<a href="http://www.okcu.edu/music/audition_info.asp%5B/url%5D">http://www.okcu.edu/music/audition_info.asp</a>
(click "audition form" on the top of the page).</p>
<p>to Theatre mom.
I don't think we disagree at all about CMU. That's why I have them on my medium list, not my less list </p>
<p>to OCU,
Yes, that's why have OCU on my less list. I consider those to be less academic standards to meet. </p>
<p>It's all just semantics, I suppose. Please no offense meant. </p>
<p>Remember, my general catagory for all these schools is TOP TIER. They are all excellent programs of study</p>
<p>I don't know, NYtheatermom......................... I wonder if we LOOK anything alike :confused: ........ posters just can't seem to tell us apart :D ........</p>
<p>XOXO to the one and only "NYtheatermom" ...............from the one and only "Theatermom"</p>
<p>ha ha... Had I known I was going to be so active in this forum for so long, I would have come up with a more original and different screen name. (You had theatermom before I had NYtheatermom!) On the other hand, it is a pleasure to be confused with some one as articulate and helpful as you.</p>
<p>Our program is unique, in that the BFA audition happens at the end of the sophomore year...lots on that subject on other threads.</p>
<p>:)</p>
<p>As to the GPA/test scores for admission to the school (and we're talking straight out of high school as opposed to transferring in from Jr. College):</p>
<p>Beginning with the class entering in the fall of 2004, the University became impacted to first-time freshmen applications. Impaction means that a campus receives more applicants during the initial filing period than it is able to accommodate. Impaction necessitates applying more rigorous standards to portions of the freshmen applicant pool. There are three geographic areas of impaction:</p>
<p>1) The local area- includes all high schools in Orange County and those in Walnut, Whittier and the Chino Valley districts
2) Other California area- all other areas of CA outside of those mentioned above
3) Out of state and International</p>
<p>[Please note the local area guidelines and the other CA area guidelines pertain to CA residents. Out of state students, non-CA residents and international students fall into the third area of consideration.]</p>
<p>FRESHMAN REQUIREMENTS
You will qualify for regular admission as a first-time freshman if you</p>
<ol>
<li><p>Are a high school graduate with a 2.0 or above GPA</p></li>
<li><p>Have a qualifiable eligibility index (see Eligibility Index Table @ <a href="http://www.fullerton.edu/catalog/admissions_and_registration/undergrad.asp#fresh_req%5B/url%5D">http://www.fullerton.edu/catalog/admissions_and_registration/undergrad.asp#fresh_req</a>) and</p></li>
<li><p>Have completed with grades of C or better the required comprehensive pattern of college-preparatory subjects as follows:
English: 4 years
Math: 3 years including Algebra I, Geometry and Algebra II
U.S. History and Social Science: 2 years
Science: 2 years with lab (1 biological and 1 physical, both with labs)
Foreign Language: 2 years in the same language
Visual and Performing Arts: 1 year (art, dance, drama/theater or music)
Electives: 1 year</p></li>
</ol>
<p>Undergraduate students who enter CSUF in the fall of 2006 will be required to show proficiency in a second language as a condition of their graduation in most majors from the university. Entering students can easily satisfy this university graduation requirement prior to their admission to the university by completing a third year of foreign language in high school. We encourage all entering freshmen to consider completing this additional year of foreign language while in high school.</p>
<p>ELIGIBILITY INDEX
The eligibility index is the combination of a high school grade point average and a test score on either the American College Test (ACT) or the Scholastic Assessment Test (SAT I). For admission beginning in fall 2004, we compute a grade point average on the comprehensive pattern of college preparatory courses taken during the final three years of high school study. CSUF may offer you early, provisional admission based on work completed through the junior year of high school and planned for your senior year. You can calculate the index by multiplying a grade point average by 800 and adding a total score on the SAT I. Or, if you took the ACT, multiply the grade point average by 200 and add ten times the composite score from the ACT. California high school graduates (or legal residents of California for tuition purposes) need a minimum index of 2900 using the SAT I or 694 using the ACT; the table on <a href="http://www.fullerton.edu/catalog/admissions_and_registration/undergrad.asp#fresh_req">http://www.fullerton.edu/catalog/admissions_and_registration/undergrad.asp#fresh_req</a> shows the combinations of test scores and averages required.</p>
<p>Persons who neither graduated from a California high school or are legal residents of California for tuition purposes need a minimum index of 3502 (SAT I) or 842 (ACT).</p>
<p>At present, Cal State Fullerton is impacted on the first-time freshman level. Therefore, all first-time freshmen applicants must present the results of the SAT I or the ACT. Students attending high schools within the local area must meet the eligibility index of 2900 (SAT) or 694 (ACT). Those inside California, but not in the local area, are required to meet a higher index. More current information regarding changes in qualify impacted status will appear in CSU application booklet and on the universitys website <a href="http://www.fullerton.edu">http://www.fullerton.edu</a>.</p>
<p>The CSU Eligibility Index is subject to change on an annual basis. Admission as a first-time freshman may not be available for all semesters.</p>
<p>WHEW, that seems complicated... I suggest going to the Eligibility Table Index link, as it is all simplified there.</p>
<p>eve</p>
<p>In addition to agreeing with ocuMTinfo that OCU should move up, I have read in prior threads that Miami is highly selective with test scores, and I've heard from several sources that Elon has become much more selective academically in recent years. The university is getting very hard for kids to be accepted to (and I mean outside of the MT major). We were very surprised about a boy from our HS who was turned down this year for acceptance.</p>
<p>according to college boards;
minimum requirement for acceptence for
Elon SAT 1090/ACT 22
Miami SAT 1160/ACT 25</p>
<p>I don't want to disparage any of the schools mentioned in the lists that have been posted on these threads, but I know quite a few students with SAT scores significantly lower than the published "minimums" who get in. I just don't think that the minimums really apply to fine arts students and student athletes. They might be a guideline but I know that exceptions are made. Unfortunately...particularly for boys since there is a shortage in MT and in Theater. It might not be commonplace but it definitely happens.</p>
<p>I want to support Caromom's post in that I know several students who were accepted into MT programs with lower than the supposed "minimum" SAT score, even one at UMich. As is true with almost every situation in life, exceptions are made - sometimes because of talent, sometimes because of connections, sometimes because of gender - could be any one of a number of things. Is it totally "fair?" Probably not, but it certainly happens.</p>
<p>The point here is that while these guidelines perhaps provide the norms for these schools and can help students make thoughtful decisions about where to devote their (and their parents') resources, if there is one school that is your heart's desire but it is one where you fear you won't be considered academically, maybe give it a shot. That's why they call them "reaches."</p>
<p>In the case of a school like UM, where the application is considered before an invitation to audition is extended, I'm guessing that a student who is invited to audition even though their SAT's or ACT's weren't at the so called "minimum" level had some other "hook" that got them an audition, perhaps strong grades, superlative recommendations, maybe some serious theatrical credits already. Again, this reasoning is just a SUPPOSITION!! I have no hard info about the UM admissions process. But I just don't want students to look at these numbers and give up on ALL the schools with higher "minimums."</p>
<p>All that has been said is so true. I just want to make one more point.</p>
<p>Good grades and SAT scores will ALWAYS help you in the admissions process. </p>
<p>There are more students applying to colleges from now and until the year 2010 than EVER before in our history! At a time when college applications/auditions are so competitive, why not give yourself every advantage? You will need it!</p>
<p>You absolutely cannot count on a strong audition to get you in these top tier schools. It is simply not enough. I have seen too many talented, really gifted performers get turned down over less talented applicants with better grades and SATs. It breaks my heart. Honestly, these students just didn't work as hard on SAT prep, grades and rigorous academics as they did on their performing. Now some kids are just naturally better students than others. But if academics is your weak area, all the more reason to work harder on it. And start NOW.</p>
<p>If you are really worried about your grades/scores, don't let it keep you from applying to the school of your dreams just know it will be a reach. I always tell my students, I don't want them to have unrealistic expectations. Weak grades and scores will hurt your chances, no kidding. No matter how talented you are.</p>
<p>Ok, I've said my peace</p>
<p>Miami University said, at the audition, that even if someone is exceptionally talented, they cannot "fight" for that student unless they had at least an 1100 on their SAT's.</p>
<p>Lynnm, I'm assuming you mean University of Miami, rather than Miami University (Oxford, OH)? Being an alum of Miami University, my ears always perk up at the mention of my alma mater...but I think you mean University of Miami (FL). : )</p>
<p>Sorry, I meant University of Miami!!!</p>
<p>Bumping to go with other academic thread that has been started.</p>