Texas A&M

<p>wemel:</p>

<p>Not sure what your point is, I never claimed that A&M had more freshmen in the top 10% than UT.</p>

<p>soccrabdl:</p>

<p>“Hi-Power is completely right,especially about it being high school 2” and “you tend to run into a lot of people who aren't particularly bright” – I’ll ask you, just liked I asked HiPower: how would someone who doesn’t even go to A&M (let alone someone who hasn’t even graduated from high school) be able to make claims like that? </p>

<p>Also, while A&M’s admissions rate is not the best, it is still within the general range of other flagship state universities.</p>

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Regarding your "high school part 2" comment, all I can say is that your high school is one of roughly 1,000 represented at A&M, and I would venture to guess it is in the minority. By your logic, if A&M students “don’t branch out” then the 35,000+ undergraduates would leave College Station with exactly the same group of friends as they had entering into freshmen year. A bit ridiculous belief, don’t you think?

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<p>No, they wouldn't have to leave with the exact same group of close friends, just still have those close friends as the majority. From my experience, the people I know from high school all hang out with each other still exclusively, save a few newcomers, and they were all the "popular" kids, so you can't really attribute it to them being incapable of making new friends. It only makes sense that if the entire clique from HS goes to A&M, it's gonna remain pretty close.</p>

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It’s sad how comfortable you both seem to be flirting with attributing your individual experiences with the small group of people you know from A&M, to the entire student population.

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<p>Very true. I do know several people that attend that are very different and wouldn't fall into the category I've described. However, in my life I've met a LOT of current Aggies, and there is definitely a large majority that fits the description I've given.</p>

<p>I was referring the the reference to the "cliques". Considering A&M has fewer top 10% freshmen than UT, then it would seem that the cliques would be more prevelant at UT.</p>

<p>I'm really speaking from experience. At my HS, which was pretty typical, students attended A&M in droves and very few actually ended up going to UT. Furthermore, UT's reputation for being 'strange' compared to A&M's cult-like legacy following makes it far more likely that a student will follow their friends to A&M rather than venture off on their own and go to UT. Now I'm sure cliques from HS exist at both schools, but after seeing the results of multiple HS grad classes in the Houston area, it looks like people stick with their friends and head to A&M more often. That may be a result of A&M's proximity to Houston as well, though.</p>

<p>Brand_182:</p>

<p>“At my HS, which was pretty typical, students attended A&M in droves and very few actually ended up going to UT.” </p>

<p>You do know that for every high school like you attended there is another “pretty typical” high school at which UT is the preference of choice, right? </p>

<p>“Furthermore, UT's reputation for being 'strange' compared to A&M's cult-like legacy following makes it far more likely that a student will follow their friends to A&M rather than venture off on their own and go to UT.”</p>

<p>Funny, I didn’t know UT had “a reputation for being strange”. I was under the impression that it was considered among the best flagship state universities in the country. Also, I will just assume your herd mentality (i.e. “cult-like legacy following”) implication was meant only in regards to your friends. And finally, given that UT enrolls more students than any university in Texas I hardly think it’s reasonable to imply that one needs to “venture off on their own” if they want to attend – maybe from your high school, but by no means from countless other high schools throughout the state.</p>

<p>according to collegeboard.
student body in A&M
95% In-state students
5% Out-of-state students </p>

<p>student body in UT austin
94% In-state students
6% Out-of-state students</p>

<p>I am a current student at Texas A&M University, and my experience has been that if you are even remotely outgoing at Texas A&M, you will meet so many people and make so many friends you won't even have time for all of them. I was homeschooled, so I certainly didn't have a high school clique, but I've never been excluded from anything. Aggies are friendly and sociable as a general rule, and most of us have grown up enough to leave behind dumb high school social games.
Most people here don't know very many people when they come here. Even the ones who do usually end up with a new set of friends (for the most part.) To summarize, I've had absolutely no problems making loads of friends and have not experienced any cliquishness.</p>

<p>I have never heard of anyone putting manure on anyone here, but I have heard of Aggies going to Austin and having beer bottles thrown at their cars and rude gestures and comments made. But that's just hearsay. </p>

<p>I'm not in Mays Business School, but I haven't had any bad experiences with the business students. (I've also never met anyone who came here because their parents pressured them into it. Most people came here for the money or because they loved the atmosphere of the college.)</p>

<p>I'm a National Merit Scholar who came to A&M because she loved the Aggie spirit, the traditions, and the atmosphere. I've had people (non-Aggies) tell me it's a cult, I've had people (non-Aggies) tell me it's stupid, and I've had people (non-Aggies) tell me lots of other very rude things about my university. But in my experience, A&M is something very special. It's an indescribable bond between Aggies. People diss it because they don't understand it. (Of course, it's almost impossible to understand it if you've never come to school here, and of course, not everyone can come to A&M.) But one person's opinion (or a lot of peoples' opinions) cannot change the fact that being an Aggie is something very special.
As for our opinion of UT: most of us will hiss (the Aggie equivalent of booing) Longhorns or Longhorn stuff and will sing "Saw varsity's horns off" with the best of them, but in the end, we'd stop and help a Longhorn in trouble. We'd be polite to one if we met him on the street. Fans of other teams who come here for football games tell me that everyone is very polite and friendly to them. We'll hiss you during Midnight Yell and root against you at the game, but most of us have more class than to be truly rude or mean.
I remember that the traffic in College Station was awful during move-in week. Nobody would let you in, and people were driving badly and being generally crazy. But then (sorry, but it's true) the parents left, and now people will let you into their lane and drive very considerately. The traffic really only gets bad when non-Aggies are in town for the game. Part of it is that there's just more traffic, but part of it's not.</p>

<p>Academically, we're very well respected, and A&M gains more and more prestige all the time. Our honors students receive the same special treatment the athletes and faculty do. And the money is good, too. (The equivalent of a full ride for National Merit kids.)
Socially, A&M is a very friendly, good-natured sort of place. Most people here are very, very happy. Sure, we get stressed about tests and stuff, but overall, most people I've met are very excited to be here, and that makes for a wonderful place to live. Of course there are a few bad eggs, but it's nice to go about your business and see evidence of the good character of the Aggies all around. People will leave stuff places, and it will still be there when they get back. You can ask a total stranger to keep an eye on your laptop while you go get something, and they will. There are literally hundreds of opportunities to serve in various ways, and I've only been here a few weeks. The Aggie honor code ('An Aggie does not lie, cheat, or steal, or tolerate those who do') pervades everything here. To the vast majority of Aggies, it's not just words; it's a binding statement of how an Aggie should go through life.
My advice to prospective students: don't let anyone tell you that this is some sort of magical place where nothing bad ever happens and that it's the only place you could go and be happy. But this is an almost magical place, and so many good things happen here, and it's the only place you can go to be an Aggie.</p>

<p>I was wondering how much of a role fraternities and sororities play on campus life. Are you basically a social outcast if you are not in one? Because i know some schools are like that…</p>

<p>Guys is racism a problem in TAMU? I live in the north Mississippi area and comments about my being asian is somewhat frequent. Seeing that the minority group represented in TAMU is a bit miniscule, I’d kinda figured I might be picked on quite a bit…</p>

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<p>ABC News: The Blotter
Gates’ Unfinished Business: Racism at Texas A&M
November 10, 2006 1:26 PM
Vic Walter Reports:</p>

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<p><a href=“http://www.theeagle.com/stories/112705/local_20051127008a.php[/url]”>http://www.theeagle.com/stories/112705/local_20051127008a.php&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p&gt;

<p>That sounds terrible.I’m Asian too,maybe TAMU is not for me.</p>

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<p>They are not as big a deal as the corps of cadets. See the corps in action on national television here:</p>

<p><a href=“http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-2593052798357561954&q=texas+a%26m+nut&total=3&start=0&num=10&so=0&type=search&plindex=0[/url]”>http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-2593052798357561954&q=texas+a%26m+nut&total=3&start=0&num=10&so=0&type=search&plindex=0&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p&gt;

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<p>A&M cavalry member charged in UT incident
Accused of throwing horse feces at band
Eagle Staff Report</p>

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<p><a href=“http://www.theeagle.com/stories/112705/local_20051127008a.php[/url]”>http://www.theeagle.com/stories/112705/local_20051127008a.php&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p&gt;

<p>Oh, and then there is the classic, when a member of the aggie pulled his sword on an SMU cheerleader in 1981. Apparently, this event is a source of pride – the tenth picture down on this cite:</p>

<p><a href=“http://www.mattwalters.com/web/texastech/images/rivalry/aggies.htm[/url]”>http://www.mattwalters.com/web/texastech/images/rivalry/aggies.htm&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p&gt;

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<p>UcMichigan, picked on? Please tell me you’re joking, this is a major research university we’re talking about here, not some Podunk high school filled with redneck bullies. The vast majority of A&M students could care less whether someone is Asian, Black, White, Hispanic, or whatever. I have no doubt there are a handful of racists at A&M, but that does not make A&M unique. Racism, to one degree or another, is an unfortunate fact of life on EVERY college campus. </p>

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<p>quixotic, thanks for posting this article and so eloquently putting the racism question at A&M to bed. Interested readers should also check out: </p>

<p><a href=“http://abcnews.go.com/US/wireStory?id=2560958[/url]”>http://abcnews.go.com/US/wireStory?id=2560958&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p&gt;

<p><a href=“http://www.usatoday.com/news/education/2006-10-31-fraternity-hopkins-race_x.htm[/url]”>http://www.usatoday.com/news/education/2006-10-31-fraternity-hopkins-race_x.htm&lt;/a&gt; </p>

<p><a href=“http://media.www.westerncourier.com/media/storage/paper650/news/2005/11/07/News/Party.At.U.Of.C.Not.Quite.Pc-1047617.shtml[/url]”>http://media.www.westerncourier.com/media/storage/paper650/news/2005/11/07/News/Party.At.U.Of.C.Not.Quite.Pc-1047617.shtml&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p&gt;

<p><a href=“Campus Noose Sparks Hate Crime Probe - ABC News”>http://www.abcnews.go.com/US/story?id=3580350&page=1&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p&gt;

<p><a href=“http://www.nytimes.com/2007/01/23/education/23princeton.html[/url]”>http://www.nytimes.com/2007/01/23/education/23princeton.html&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p&gt;

<p><a href=“http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2007/09/11/AR2007091102087.html[/url]”>http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2007/09/11/AR2007091102087.html&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p&gt;

<p><a href=“http://www.boston.com/news/globe/city_region/breaking_news/2006/11/dartmouth_presi.html[/url]”>http://www.boston.com/news/globe/city_region/breaking_news/2006/11/dartmouth_presi.html&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p&gt;

<p><a href=“http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/americas/6387183.stm[/url]”>http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/americas/6387183.stm&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p&gt;

<p><a href=“http://media.wildcat.arizona.edu/media/storage/paper997/news/2007/02/06/News/black.Theme.Party.Elicits.Concerned.Response-2701102.shtml?sourcedomain=wildcat.arizona.edu&MIIHost=media.collegepublisher.com[/url]”>http://media.wildcat.arizona.edu/media/storage/paper997/news/2007/02/06/News/black.Theme.Party.Elicits.Concerned.Response-2701102.shtml?sourcedomain=wildcat.arizona.edu&MIIHost=media.collegepublisher.com&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p&gt;

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<p>yucca, only you can decide whether A&M is right or wrong for you, but hopefully your decision will be based on more than an article about a couple of moron students who didn’t deserve to get into A&M in the first place. </p>

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<p>quixotic, right now you’re only at about a 5 out of 10 on the ■■■■■■■■■ scale, so post a little more and let’s see if we can’t raise you up to a 6 or 7.</p>

<p>Kyler242:</p>

<p>Unfortunately, racist incidents do happen on other campuses; however, it’s quite unusual for a professor to point out that his own institution has a “structural and cultural problem” when it comes to racism on campus. Professor Saenz also stated that, “there have only been surface changes where deeper changes need to be made.”</p>

<p>Perhaps the professor had these instances in mine when he made his comments:</p>

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<a href=“http://media.www.thebatt.com/media/storage/paper657/news/2005/06/22/News/Police.University.Review.Procedures.After.June.1.Assault-958533-page2.shtml[/url]”>http://media.www.thebatt.com/media/storage/paper657/news/2005/06/22/News/Police.University.Review.Procedures.After.June.1.Assault-958533-page2.shtml&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p&gt;

<p>I have to agree with quixotic. </p>

<p>Of course, racism will be prevalent in most, if not all, college campuses. However, given the percentage of minorities on campus (as oppose to, say, UT), it seems obvious to assume these occurrences of racism may be more frequent. </p>

<p>I don’t know about you, but I have been a victim of a number of racial remarks. Most depends on where I am. In some areas where I live, people will yell random racial remarks, but there are some places (that I go to just as much) where these events have never occurred. For me, one more event of racism is one too many.</p>

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<p>LOL quioxitic, thanks for the laugh. A professor lamenting institutional racism on his/her college campus is not novel, and is definitely not unique to A&M. Hell, Duke University has 88 of them. (<a href=“RADEN99: Temukan Dunia Seru di Setiap Klik!”>RADEN99: Temukan Dunia Seru di Setiap Klik!) </p>

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<p>quioxitc, come on, are you really this naïve? The Northgate area is OFF CAMPUS and is frequented by hundreds (if not thousands) of people each night, many of whom are NOT EVEN AFFILIATED WITH A&M. </p>

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<p>That is of course until you do some research and discover that UT, despite its slightly higher percentage of minorities, is no stranger to racial problems. I would also encourage you to look into Dartmouth College, another school that nulls your assumption. </p>

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<p>Ah, finally something we can agree on.</p>

<p>“That is of course until you do some research and discover that UT, despite its slightly higher percentage of minorities, is no stranger to racial problems.”</p>

<p>Well, of course UT may be no stranger to racial problems, and I realize that. that still doesn’t address what I’m saying: that there may be more occurrences in TAMU than in UT.<br>
UT has about 38% minority, while TAMU has about 21%. That isn’t “slightly higher.” That twice the amount - roughly 7,000 students difference; also, UT has about 17% asians, and, compared to TAMU’s 4%, that’s nearly four times as much.</p>

<p>This is the most ridiculous thread I’ve read in a long time. It is obvious that quixotic and UcMichigan have other issues with TAMU. If anyone would let a few morons (from any school) taint an entire student body, then they are looking for something to fight over. As long as we perpetuate the negative and fail to see the positive in people, racism will never end. Let’s move on.</p>

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<p>UcMichigan, at least you’re using the word “may”, I have to give you credit for that. However, if embarrassing national media coverage of campus racism is any barometer, then both schools seem to be on pretty equal footing. </p>

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<p>OK, let me rephrase: UT has SLIGHTLY higher minority percentages than A&M for Black, Hispanic, and International students. UT has the SAME percentage of American Indian students as A&M. UT has a SIGNIFICANTLY higher percentage of Asian students. Here is the most current certified data from Spring 2007:</p>

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<p>Black: 1,266 3.0% / 1,841 3.9%
Hispanic: 4,640 11.0% / 7,073 15.1%
Asian: 1,609 3.8% / 6,869 14.6%
American Indian: 216 0.5% / 222 0.5%
International: 3,383 8.0% / 4,203 9.0%
Unknown/Other: 177 0.4% / 345 0.7% </p>

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<p><a href=“http://www.tamu.edu/opir/reports/student.html[/url]”>http://www.tamu.edu/opir/reports/student.html&lt;/a&gt;
<a href=“http://www.utexas.edu/academic/oir/[/url]”>http://www.utexas.edu/academic/oir/&lt;/a&gt; </p>

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<p>I couldn’t agree more. If there is one theme running throughout this thread, it’s how disturbingly comfortable some people feel caricaturing and stereotyping A&M and its students based on the actions of a few select jackasses. As I stated in post #18, there are idiots at every school. To allow those type of people to color one’s perception of an entire university requires a certain amount of immaturity, which unfortunately is all too often in bountiful supply on CC.</p>