Texas schools!

<p>As the end of junior year looms and the beginning of senior year, and piles of applications and a handful of interviews/auditions, beckons, I want to get some varied opinions on the schools I'm interested in (of course, this would also be a great thread for fellow Texan drama kids!).</p>

<p>My list includes schools such as Stephen F. Austin State University, Texas State, UT, University of Houston, and Southern Methodist University. Keep in mind, also, that I am a prospective tech/management student (I'm hopefully going to get a taste of it at this summer program at Southwestern in July).</p>

<p>My biggest uncertainty at the moment would be Stephen F. Austin. The location is incredibly unattractive, as it mirrors my current hometown. However, the study abroad and internship opportunities greatly appeal to me! It'd be nice to know a little more about the overall atmosphere of Nacogdoches!</p>

<p>There's also the issue of UH and UT. I've read a little about both universities on these forums. Is the graduate focus so great that it would detract from the overall experience?</p>

<p>Hello Kaleidotroph! Im a senior in south texas. You have a pretty good list of schools, but if you are serious about working professionally in acting i would take a hard look at SMU. Out of all my research into programs in texas SMU has the most comprehensive bfa acting department in the state. For MS of course Texas State i the obvious choice. I would aslo look at TAMU-CC. They have a relatively new and upcoming program but the faculty is fantastic, and they are producing some fantastic students. They have a student going to yale next year for his MFA, so obviously something is going on there. I wouldn’t recommend Stephan F. Austin, or UoH just because their programs are simply not up to par with the other competition. I have heard good things about UT, but I’m not even sure if they offer a bfa. So if your serious about acting, i would really look into SMU- which also has a really good technical program(just read your prospective tech bit).</p>

<p>I’ve visited TAMUCC a couple of times on One Act Play/Academics clinics! In fact, my school went over there for critique and our judges were Kelly Russell and Dr. Terry Lewis. I really appreciated their input, as did the rest of the team. I am definitely going to consider it.</p>

<p>I really like the sound of SMU; it’s one of my top choices. I like their Theatre Studies program, it seems really well-rounded.</p>

<p>Thank you for the input! :)</p>

<p>Yeah! I’ve actually worked with Kelley, or took his Acting 1 class last semester. He really is brilliant, and has connections to quite a few places. Being from corpus, let me be honest and say the only semi-decent piece of this town is the beach… Smu is beautiful and they have a successful proven program. Best of luck in choosing a school.</p>

<p>My D auditioned for UH a month ago and was put on the waitlist for this next year. They seem to have many connections in the real world and have a great faculty; however, we were not impressed by the females in their performance of The Crucible - the men were by far much stronger. Another thing that we were concerned about was their MFA program - would underclassmen have good opportunities for getting cast among older students?
As for TX ST, their musical theatre program is brilliant. I know a male MT sophomore there that absolutely loves it. I have heard from some students, one female inparticular who was transferring from TX ST to UH for BFA Acting, mentioned that the TX ST BFA acting females were very catty…of course, my D didn’t audition for them so we haven’t first hand experience.</p>

<p>I have heard that University of Houston has a great network, but as you’ve mentioned, that its primary focus is its graduates. When I visited the campus last week, there were no productions at the time, so I can’t say anything of the quality of its actors.</p>

<p>As for Texas State, I attended a summer theatre program there last year. The directors for each show were senior undergrads, I believe, and they seemed to like their time at the university. At the time, I wasn’t highly interested in majoring in theatre–it was more of an extracurricular passion–so I didn’t inquire specifically about the theatre department and its pros and cons, if you will. It does seem to be a wise choice in terms of musical theatre, though.</p>

<p>Congrats to your D on getting on the waitlist, by the way! I do hope she succeeds in her theatrical aspirations. :)</p>

<p>My D is a freshman BFA Acting major at Texas State and absolutely LOVES it!!! The faculty is wonderful (and still working) and they have a wonderful atmosphere of love and support for each other - absolutely no “catiness”. She’s had the opportunity to be cast in the main stage musical and a main stage play this year - so many wonderful opportunities! She also is allowed to take dance class with the MT’s. She loves the training and the opportunity for studying abroad in England the summer of her junior year (it’s part of the program).</p>

<p>Texas State seems to have been a great fit for your D! It must be wonderful to find a program where you seem to belong. I wish your D the best! :D</p>

<p>Hi there! I posted a lot when we were going through the process with my daughter - packed her off to St. Edward’s this fall, then decided I needed a full time job to deal with the empty nest and I kind of cocooned for a while…but lately I’ve been missing this great forum so I’m visiting here. Most of my posts were on the MT thread as that’s what D was trying to get into. I can’t give any advice about the majority of the schools on “the list” because I don’t know much about East Coast and Midwestern schools, but Texas schools, I know!</p>

<p>“My list includes schools such as Stephen F. Austin State University, Texas State, UT, University of Houston, and Southern Methodist University.”</p>

<p>SFA has the best study abroad program I have ever heard of. Seriously…it is only for the BFA, not the BA. But everyone starts out in the BA and gets into BFA by review in the second semester…they don’t come right out and say that everyone who works hard and has some talent who wants in the BFA will get into the BFA, but it’s not capped (or wasn’t last year anyway) and I think it’s a matter of working hard, not luck. (unlike some programs in which they just can’t accept everyone. Well, I mean, they can’t accept EVERYONE either but I never got the feeling that they turned down serious students.) They did not have an MT emphasis so D didn’t pick it. But their technical programs seemed excellent…D’s secondary interest was costuming and I just about wanted to apply there myself just so I could work with the costume professor. She’s awesome. The town isn’t Austin, true, but it’s a nice liberal college town unlike most Texas small towns, and they like the college there, which some towns don’t. The director of the local community theater who cast my D in a lot of shows when she was in high school grew up there and the only reason he didn’t go to school there was because he was accepted to one of the Ivies (forgot which…Yale maybe) so, you know, he chose it, who wouldn’t, but otherwise he’d have gone, which I think says a lot as most people shudder at the idea of attending their hometown school. Very friendly pretty town. And Austin is only a few hours away if you just have to have the big weird wonderful college town experience for the weekend.</p>

<p>The other thing we didn’t like about SFA was that their academics weren’t really top notch and D wanted to be pretty serious about her core classes…at most schools with fabulous theater programs and so so academics, you can compensate with honors programs, but their honor program sounded awful. By contrast, one like Texas State’s sounded much better. </p>

<p>Texas State is currently the huge buzz and is getting nothing but rave reviews from everyone going there…but as they only take a dozen or so out of the many hundreds who apply into their BFA programs, clearly you need some backups.</p>

<p>As far as UT…frankly, I personally would never put MY freshman, or most freshmen, into UT. They have way more freshmen coming in than they want or need, in every major, and have many ways to wash that excess freshman population incorporated into their system. The big rivalry schools in this area are UT, A&M (who is not even worth mentioning because I’m not sure they even HAVE a theater there), U of Oklahoma, and Arkansas - of all of them, not only is Oklahoma the only one with a truly remarkable undergrad theatre BFA program, it is the only one we got the feeling actually cared about trying to not fit into the negative aspects of Big Enormous Indifferent Flagship. UT is a wonderful grad program and a great school in a lot of ways, and there are those who argue that being at such a great program for four years of watching other people and never getting actual hands on yourself is still better than a lesser smaller program, but I personally disagree with that. However - lots of people go to UT and think it’s great…some of my daughter’s professors went there and they would steer their kids towards a smaller school…so…your concern about grad/undergrad issues at UT, I would say, are not unfounded, and I’d be real careful about UT if that’s an issue for you. I’m not sure about it at UH though.</p>

<p>SMU has excellent credentials - my D didn’t feel she would be a good fit with the student body. While there are always exceptions, and while theater is always it’s own wonderful little world, the steretype of SMU as being a lot of fairly well off kids is true and it is a much more formal and conservative atmosphere than what my D wanted. But their fine arts school is excellent.</p>

<p>There are a lot of fairly new programs in Texas but U of H has had a well regarded theater program for a long time. For some reason D simply did NOT want to investigate them…I thought we should have because you never know if you will like a school or not. From what I understand, Huntsville is pretty dreary…I think far worse than Nacogdoches. But it’s real close to Houston. The school also has fairly low academics compared to some but it’s honors program looked considerably better to us than SFA’s. </p>

<p>Both those schools are VERY affordable. UT is crazy expensive for a state school. SMU is very very expensive.</p>

<p>Some schools with really good theater programs in Texas you didn’t mention - A&M Canyon, (in the panhandle - little bit smaller than SFA, has a BEAUTIFUL new theater, and a good program) Southwestern University in Georgetown, right north of Austin, which is a lovely lovely Methodist school with EXCELLENT academics and a grad school placement rate in the high 90’s. They have a really good theater department and if you have good grades they have some really generous scholarships. If I remember correctly, it’s open admission to the program but you are reviewed for the BFA later. Personally I prefer that kind of system to one that sorts them before they enter. </p>

<p>TCU has a great program. When we auditioned there, it was one of our top choices, but they didn’t offer enough money to make it even worth considering - guess they weren’t impressed with D’s credentials. One of her best friends got a full ride there, though. They are looking for certain things there, and community service counts for more there than at some other schools. </p>

<p>Then, there is my daughter’s eventual choice, which is St. Edward’s, in Austin, which we like to refer to as the small family farm where they know all the cows by name (as opposed to the 50,000 head “cattle ranch” up the road, lol) They are one of only a handful (three, I think) of Equity undergrad programs in the country. You can be eligible for your Equity card upon graduating. That can be a double edged sword but it’s an option if you want it. They are currently a BA program but - and you heard it here first - they are developing a BFA degree. Right now - my daughter could still get in on it if she wants, as a freshman, her professor told me, but it might not be on the website or in the catalog yet. But it is definite, is my understanding. It’s a smaller school so it’s a smaller program as far as how many students, but the university considers it one of their more important programs so it gets plenty of support. They don’t do some 30 shows a year like some schools, such as SFA do (of course only 4 or 5 are mainstage) in the program itself but there are a lot of opportunities outside the program in the area and they encourage students to try out for anything they want to. Academically, it is a very strong school with a very strong liberal arts emphasis (very similar to SMU or SWU) but rather than two thirds core and one third emphasis, we found the BA to be closer to half and half, which is exactly what my D wanted.</p>

<p>She’s in her second semester there and is very happy. It’s more expensive than state schools, to be sure, but they gave us the most generous offer of all the private schools, and we found we could swing it. It is open admittance, they have auditions for scholarships. As it is a small program they have not found it necessary to cap admissions into the program; but, they will be restricting the BFA program so as to have a balanced group, like most other BFA programs. The BA will still be available though. </p>

<p>It’s hard to say which is the “best” program in Texas…they all have pro’s and con’s. St Ed’s and Southwestern don’t have grad programs so no competition from grad students. </p>

<p>I can’t really go into much detail as to the nuts and bolts of the programs themselves as my info would be a year out of date anyway…I can tell you that St Ed’s has a very well rounded program, no matter what your emphasis, you will be well trained in every aspect of theater plus you’ll have a good general education, you will be able to write, reason, and think. I think that is true of other schools too, but I know it is there.</p>

<p>~you might already have known a lot of this, and it was very long, but I hope some of this info is of use to you~</p>

<p>and - for those who followed us last year - and knew about my d’s interest in costume as well as MT - she has just recently decided to change her concentration to Costume. They found out about her UIL wins and said “you’re OURS. We MUST HAVE YOU” (actually they did not tell her that but they made it known she’d be real welcome) and she’s now on a slightly different adventure. She’s not dropping performing or auditioning, but, I think she’s realized where her true calling is…which shows that it’s good to pick a school with a well rounded program in the design and technical aspects as well as performance, because apparently it is not unusual for kids to switch into tech or design.</p>

<p>It makes me kind of tear up when I watch “Smash” but on the other hand, this week she’s in Long Beach at the USITT Conference getting an enormous jump start on her career and on cloud nine, posting amazing photos from the sessions and exhibits so maybe she’ll be the next Colleen Atwood and will be dressing some of the brilliant performance kids from this forum, some day. :)</p>

<p>Snapdragonfly, you are a treasure.</p>

<p>Aww thanks! It’s nice to be out of the cave and “see” everyone again.</p>

<p>~I need to clarify that as of now the BFA at St Ed’s is going to be for Performance. They might add it to other concentrations later but not at the moment. D is okay with still getting the BA - because she had so many dual credits from high school, she’s only taking one core class a semester at this point anyway - mostly theater from here on out. The BFA requires more hours than the BA, so it’s going to weigh in with a heavier percentage of theater vs core classes, but the BA is still heavy on theater classes, so it’s still a good option for people who want a serious theatre degree but for various reasons aren’t doing a BFA.</p>

<p>Snapdragonfly. I to am M.t. Well Acting to is my passion but, I have a great passion for Wig and Makeup and Costuming. I was at USITT yesterday for my portfolio review with UNCSA and was accepted on the spot also came across Montclair which I had no background on but, the head of the Dept. was so great and said she to would accept me plus I could minor in either M.T. or Acting sounds like the best of both worlds now so many choices!!!</p>

<p>That’s wonderful! You have probably run across my daughter without knowing it! I hope you are having as much fun as she is.</p>

<p>She’s been researching internships…a vast treasure trove of information and contacts, apparently.</p>

<p>Snapdragonfly, your insight is much appreciated! I have actually looked into Southwestern, and it greatly appeals to me. I’m very excited for the summer program, frankly. That’ll also help to sort of condense the list of schools I want to apply to (I don’t really want to apply to more than five schools, to be honest).</p>

<p>As for St. Edward’s, I really like the Actor’s Equity partnership aspect of the program. Austin isn’t too bad either, haha. I like the idea of a small community, too, more than I do a larger one. UT is quite large, which is why I’m not too enthusiastic about applying–it’s more of a safety now than anything.</p>

<p>I like the location of SMU more than anything. I’ve heard similar things about the student body, but on the other hand, I’ve also heard that its artistic community can’t be beat. The program does look promising, too.</p>

<p>Right now, though, I’m enamored with Rice University. I visited a few weeks ago, and gosh, it is beautiful. I got into contact with Christina Keefe, the director of Rice’s theatre department, and got rid of my doubts when she told me about the different aspects of the program, including its study abroad and intern opportunities. It is a relatively new program, but one of the theatre students has already gone and founded Houston’s Black Lab Theatre, for example. I am seriously considering applying early decision to Rice.</p>

<p>I do appreciate everybody’s input, by the way! It’s nice to know that if, hopefully not, I get rejected by Rice, I’ll have some great backups. Thank you all. :)</p>

<p>Rice must be a fairly new program - you are the first person I have ever heard even mention Rice in a theater context. (and I have been a Texan a long, long time…)</p>

<p>The school itself I don’t know TOO much about except I think I would like it, too. I lived in Houston for a while and Rice is kind of a geek school. I mean that in the nicest way. I LOVE me some geeks. Smart kids but kind of counterculture, very hip, very funny. My husband’s best friend is an alum and what he told me about their famous MOB band absolutely charmed me. (they are very…unusual) It certainly has stellar academics. </p>

<p>I went to art school in the Montrose district of Houston in the early 80’s - I loved it. It’s changed a lot, they tell me. But I loved it - far less stuffy than Dallas, though not quite as eccentric and liberal as Austin. There is a very robust arts community there. Alley Theatre is really good.</p>

<p>If you don’t like a large school and want to keep your list small I wonder what UT is doing taking up space on it - even as a safety - it just doesn’t sound like what you really want, judging only from your posts.</p>

<p>The wonderful author Larry McMurtry (Lonesome Dove, etc, etc) has a connection with Rice. He has an MA from there, and has taught there.</p>

<p>Some of his unforgettable early novels are set in Houston and involve people connected with an unnamed university that was undoubtedly inspired by Rice.</p>

<p>Rice’s theatre department is undoubtedly a high quality one, but it does not seem to offer a great deal in the way of performance training: </p>

<p>[Rice</a> University Department of Visual and Dramatic Arts: Theatre](<a href=“Theatre Concentration | Visual and Dramatic Arts | School of Humanities | Rice University”>Theatre Concentration | Visual and Dramatic Arts | School of Humanities | Rice University)</p>

<p>[Rice</a> University Catalog](<a href=“http://courses.rice.edu/admweb/swkscat.main?p_action=CATALIST&p_acyr_code=2012&p_subj=THEA]Rice”>Course Catalog - 2011-2012)</p>

<p>Snapdragonfly- I must say I have a fondness for UT because of UIL One Act Play. I love their theatre. It was absolutely magical performing there. I know that’s not a very solid reason for applying, and I may very well decide not to apply after all, but right now it seems strange to keep it off my list, considering it is also the flagship institution of Texas. I also have this paranoia about not getting accepted anywhere I go–UT would be an exception because I’m currently in the top 10% of my class.</p>

<p>The MOB is quite charming! They made an appearance during my tour. Rice’s theatre program has only been around since 2006, so yes, it is fairly new; I think I like the idea of an intimate, one-on-one experience in theatre, especially when all I’ve known is intimate, one-on-one experience.</p>

<p>NJTheatreMOM’s observation about performance training at Rice puts into words something that bothered me just a little when I looked at their site. Three shows is not many. I don’t even really like only four shows which is standard at a lot of schools, I like the programs with tons of shows (though most are small student done non mainstage shows) though that isn’t what D ended up with, but there’s plenty of performance training there none the less.</p>

<p>It is always an option to seek opportunities in the community to supplement - coaching, auditioning for community shows - and there is a lot of theater in Houston, but that was one of the major factors in our decision not to pick SFA - they do put on one big musical every year but they had no actual MT classes, as far as singing for MT and dancing for MT and acting for MT which are distinct, specific areas of their own, and she would have had to have sought it outside of and on top of her college obligations, and that idea did not appeal to us. Though D could seek outside opportunties (and might) where she is at, it isn’t really necessary because the program is very thorough. But she didn’t want to feel she HAD to. That doesn’t mean it wouldn’t work for someone else. </p>

<p>I think from Rice you would get a top notch liberal arts education - which is a big consideration for some people, it was for us - and you can probably make the theater department work and get out of it what you put into it, but that is a bit of a different path from choosing a school with a well developed theater program. As long as you are aware of what you are signing up for and think it will work for you, there’s nothing wrong with that. </p>

<p>My daughter really enjoyed UIL at Austin, too - her school didn’t make it far enough to perform there (their HS drama teacher had some serious organizational issues that really held back the kids, sadly) but she got to go her last three years on account of her costume design advancing to that level. It’s a great program. Her junior year, the judge that awarded her first place in costumes was the head of the costume department there at UT and she was kind enough to personally give Kelsey a nice long tour and visit that summer - it’s a very good department. Funny story, right after my daughter’s junior year win, there was a UT alumni event of some sort and my aunt was there, and she met this professor and they were chatting and discovered their mutual connection in my D. lol. The professor told my aunt, that UT was a big school but the department was not a big department and Kelsey would not get lost in it.</p>

<p>Which I think is true - but the rest of the freshman experience at UT can be frankly horrific. Many thousands of students, obviously, get through it, but it was NOT what my d wanted. She hates huge lecture classes; she loves the small, Socratic exchange with professor and peers, liberal arts model much more. And the bureaucracy there is absolutely as horrible as you may have heard - there are numerous UT alumni in my family including my aunt, my brother and my mom, and none of them started out there as freshman so they didn’t even get the worst of it. It gets significantly better as you go, especially if you get into grad school there.</p>

<p>I am not a big fan of starting out in community college and transferring, in most cases, for theater students, and in many cases I think if the resources are there it’s not preferable for other majors either. (though in some cases, community college is absolutely the best path.) But UT is one school I would actually recommend that freshmen consider transferring into. I’m not sure what their transfer acceptance rate is - it might be worse than freshman - so you’d need to check.</p>

<p>I do know that UT is so desperately trying to lower it’s admissions that they got an exception to the 10% rule in Texas. Top ten percent does NOT guarantee you admission at UT, unlike every other state school. I think they got a waiver and only have to guarantee something like top 8%. </p>

<p>But being in the top ten percent, if your other stats are similarly good, should be enough to get you into any Texas school, even Rice, Baylor, SMU…my daughter was in the top 12%, her ACT was only a 28, and she got academic acceptance into every single school she applied to, even the most selective on her list. I would not worry too much about academic acceptance - she did not apply to Rice, it is I think it is probably the most selective school in Texas (though I don’t know how SMU or Baylor compare) but then your stats are higher than hers were anyway.</p>

<p>I am interested to see what you think of SWU. I fell in love with the place - I think it is one of the best kept secrets in Texas. Really top notch academic liberal arts program. D did like it but she liked the idea of living right there in Austin more. ~she lives 4 blocks from my cousins and 3 miles from my brother! ~ I would be willing to absolutely bet money you’ll be accepted into SWU, she was. Anyway best of luck! Keep us updated.</p>

<p>(you would not get an intimate one on one at UT - of that I’m sure, lol) Thinking on all you have said, you haven’t mentioned any concerns about paying for Rice which is quite a bit more expensive than St Ed’s so you must have some resources for paying for your schooling which is great. In which case, any of the other good private schools in Texas would also be doable for you financially, as many of them (all the ones we looked at anyway) are less than Rice. SMU is I think about the same but we didn’t look closely at it. As academically competitive as Rice is, you might be better offers from some of the others if your stats are just a bit above their average. I’m just thinking that any of the good, smaller, private liberal arts schools in Texas such as TCU, SWU, St Ed’s, SMU, and so forth, might suit you pretty well, based on what you are saying about wanting an intimate atmosphere, and I don’t think academic acceptance into any of them is likely to be a real issue for you. Program acceptance of course is different. SMU and TCU are auditioned programs for their BFA’s, so they aren’t safeties.</p>

<p>Have you considered the University of Tulsa? Not a Texas school but depending where you are in Texas, can be closer to home than a Texas school. It has the most fantastic theater program - it’s a BA but it’s like a BFA, they get guests like Sutton Foster and have GREAT internships and it’s just really a good program. The school is very selective academically (has one of the highest percentages of Merit scholars in the country) so D didn’t get as much money from them so we couldn’t afford it. :0( BUT, they are not limited on their talent money like most schools are. They gave her a big fat nice talent money offer, far bigger than anyone else. (still didn’t make up for what she got academically and need based from St Ed’s plus it was a more expensive school anyway…so…) </p>

<p>But the program (as of then anyway) was audition for money only so it could be considered a safety as far as the program goes. You might want to evaluate, if you really want a short list of only 5 or so schools, whether you want to give much space to auditioned programs…it is such a lottery that it worries me when kids don’t have a nice selection of non auditioned programs on their list.</p>