<p>Hi guys i just wanted to get your opinion on which school you think would be better to graduate from, Texas Tech University or UNT, or is there even much of a difference?</p>
<p>I've been admitted to tech and not sure whether transfering from UNT to TTU would be benificial or NOT. Would you say TTU is a better school than UNT? and WHY?</p>
<p>I read Hi-Power's not so favorable review of tech in the other discussion, so i'm really having doubts.....</p>
<p>Texangood - Couple things - potentially what programs/majors are you interested in? Then compare Tech and UNT for those majors/programs starting with the wealth of information available on their respective websites. For instance, Tech has a medical school which prepares "medical doctors" while UNT has a Fort Worth based school of osteopathic medicine. UNT is tops for certain kinds of music majors. Tech has a more comprehensive honors curriculum than UNT, etc.</p>
<p>If you are seriously considering Tech and UNT, be sure you have visited both schools and then draw your own "fit" conclusions. I will tend to emphasize the glass-half-full stuff because that's my nature. The half-empty part of the glass (whether UNT or Tech ) needs to be evaluated too by any student considering attending whatever college/university.</p>
<p>A quick addendum - If you have a campus NSCS chapter, then you also have a faculty sponsor. Talk to him/her too.</p>
<p>well i'm actually a sophmore at UNT, and i'm majoring in business (if that helps with your comparison of both schools business schools).....</p>
<p>Also you mentioned that i should contact the NSCS faculty sponsor from school, i was wondering why? for possible advice on whether transfering to tech is a wise decision or not?</p>
<p>Texangood - My mistake, I was responding to another post you had on the National Collegiate Honor Society (NCHS). Sorry. (My second response was an "addendum" to my longer first reply in the other thread that the NCHS is a legitimate honors organization.)</p>
<p>My son is a business major at Tech. One of my glass-half-full comments, Tech's Business School has a career center devoted exclusively to its business majors (Accounting, Finance, Marketing, etc.) separate from the the University's career center. So a Tech business student can fully utilize both Career Center resources whereas non-Business students only have access to the Universtiy Career Center (very good in its own right). Another item, Business Week just came out with its ratings of undergraduate Business Schools and Tech's Business School was #83 nationally and 4th in the Big 12 (behind Texas, Baylor, and A&M) but ahead of OU, Kansas, OSU, Colorado, etc.</p>
<p>thanks alot lonestardad, for the information you provided me with in both threads, they were really helpful.</p>
<p>They both suck.</p>
<p>Texas Tech is a regional university at the tuition price of a flagship school. The University of North Texas feels like a commuter school.</p>
<p>I've known quite a few people who transferred out of UNT and I myself transferred out of Tech.</p>
<p>You can compare each program at Tech and UNT vs. one another, but more than likely you can find the same program at another school in Texas that blows both of them out of water. UNT has a good music program I hear but so does Baylor. But Baylor costs a lot more.</p>
<p>UNT does have some programs normally only available at private schools, like real estate, but you can find equivalent programs, like real estate finance, at the other Texas public universities.</p>
<p>Are UNT or Tech your only choices? If so, why? I can understand you going to UNT if you live in the area and have to. It's not such a bad choice then.</p>
<p>Texangood - Another note from the glass half-full guy - As you have been invited to the National Collegiate Honor Society, I assume you have a high GPA. Consider joining Tech's Honors College which includes an honors business curriculum in association with the Rawls College of Business. My son is a junior in the Honors College interested in law school and recently got some advice from seniors who have been admitted to NYU Law School (a top 10) and University of Texas Law School (a top 20) . Good things happen grad and professional school wise to Tech students who do well. Tech Business School students do well too on getting jobs etc. If you are an accounting major, for instance, and do well you can write your own ticket. (By the way, the Honors courses are structured such that if everyone does great, then everyone gets an A.) My son was no super star in high school but has a very high GPA now so he - depending on his LSAT score - is in very good position to have excellent options for law school. Keep on asking and checking out UNT and Tech and then decide. </p>
<p>I will put it even more bluntly. A student who can get into A&M or Texas-Austin has the credentials to also apply to Tech's Honors College - special housing, counseling, first-in-line for class sign-up, majors and professional school programs only for Honors students, etc. When it was UT-Austin and a scramble to even get on-campus housing as a freshman versus being in Tech's Honors College, the decision for my son was an easy one. And it has turned out great for him so far. But that's him. Continue kicking the tires at Tech and UNT and you'll be fine whatever decision you make.</p>
<p>"I will put it even more bluntly. A student who can get into A&M or Texas-Austin has the credentials to also apply to Tech's Honors College"</p>
<p>And this is what I have a problem with. If you CAN get into A&M or UT for what major you want to do, why join Tech's honor college? The tuition is about the same. A&M and UT's alumni network is way stronger than Tech's.</p>
<p>I wouldn't bash Tech so much if their tuition was lower, but they price themselves in the same league as A&M.</p>
<p>Hi-Power - For once we agree on something. (Will wonders never cease?) If a student does get into a specific, very competitive major at UT or A&M (such as petroleum engineer), then by all means go. However, I believe Tech's Honors College is the superior alternative for the many who are undeclared majors and stuck in the A&M or UT freshman/sophomore lectures with hundreds of students (versus 25 students in a Tech honors freshman or sophomore class) and all the other goodies (special housing, etc.) that come the Tech honors student's way. I am an advocate for Tech because it has provided an environment where my son has thrived and I believe this positive Tech experience awaits others who are good to very good (but not superstar) high school students. The superstars can go to A&M or UT or Rice (and Tech too).</p>
<p>Yeh i have a fairly high GPA (3.5), my initial plan was to transfer to UT or A&M, which i think i have a pretty good shot at getting into, but to transfer to both schools you are required to have taken certain classes. At UT you are required to have already taken Calculus, BCIS, and Econ, but i haven't got round to taking Calculus or BCIS yet. And A&M surprisingly require way more. Another school i was considering was SMU, but the tuition like that of all the other good private schools are expensive. So Tech was my next option....</p>
<p>So yes i'm fully aware that there are other schools in Texas that are better than Tech or UNT, but the contrast i'm trying to make here is between UNT and Tech. </p>
<p>The difference between Tech and UNT that i thought was significant was that Tech is a 3rd-tier school, and UNT is a 4th-tier school. So i guess the question i'd like to ask ya'll now is, is that in fact significant and does it make much of a difference? For me my concern is grad school, and i'd like to get into a top business school NYU, UT, etc. So the next question i have is would graduating from a higher ranked (or better known) school, or from Tech's honor college, increase my chances of getting into one of those top schools?</p>
<p>Also lonestardad what is the advantage of being in Tech's Honor College? and is there a larger coursework load?</p>
<p>Texangood - First, before you go to Tech or any other college/university you may transfer to, be sure to visit, sit in on a class, talk to a professor or someone in the area you want to major in, etc. Second, be sure to visit...</p>
<p>To answer your question about the Honors College workload, here's their response (cut and pasted from the Honors College Frequently Asked Questions):</p>
<p>"Will Honors classes involve substantially more work or hurt my grades?</p>
<p>The answer in both cases is no.</p>
<p>Honors College classes promote active learning in which you participate in your learning or discovery processes and you contribute to class discussions. Honors classes promote original thinking, collaborative activities, and creative experiences.</p>
<p>Honors College classes enable you to work intensively with professors. Honors classes encourage curiosity about and engagement with knowledge of the world, the human condition, yourself.</p>
<p>Because Honors classes are generally writing intensive, they emphasize strong communication skills and provide ample opportunities for sharing what you know in both written and oral contexts."</p>
<p>Next - every top graduate Business School wants their applicants to have had work experience (usually a couple years or more), so figure on getting a job after college if getting an MBA from a top school (including Texas, NYU, etc.) remains your goal.</p>
<p>Did I mention visit?</p>
<p>Texangood - I did not answer as yet "(s)o the next question i have is would graduating from a higher ranked (or better known) school, or from Tech's honor college, increase my chances of getting into one of those top schools?" If you are thinking graduate business schools, there is no stock answer regarding the effect of a higher ranked state college/university in particular. Your personal credentials are very important such as leadership positions both at school and work. Specifically, with the opportunities you had at XYZ college (such as Tech's Honors College), what did you do with them? What did you do in the community (both in college and after)? What about your work experience? Also, your GMAT score will need to be high for the top MBA programs. Your recommendations will also have an impact. Unlike law schools, your GPA is not as important at the top business schools. If you do well at Tech or UNT, there are certainly a number of graduates from both schools that go to UT's graduate business school. If NYU or another far distant top business program, an A&M or UT degree may count a bit more, but not nearly as much as the other factors I mentioned. For instance, the UT or A&M grad will also need a strong GMAT score, etc.</p>
<p>Thanks for the info. Yeh i know to be admitted to one of those top business schools personal credentials such as work experience, community service, and your GMAT score, are what matters most, in fact i actually have a relative who graduated from UNT and went on to grad school at UT, so i know getting into a UT gradschool from UNT or Tech is certainly possible.</p>
<p>So GPA isn't that important for MBA programs? that's a bummer, it makes me wondering what on earth am i working hard for (just kidding of course)....</p>
<p>I guess the last and very basic question i'd like to ask is "What is the benefit of being at Texas Tech rather than UNT? (as in why do many people go all the way out to Tech/lubbock in the middle of nowhere, when they could just go to UNT) I know this is a very broad question, and that you have said before you have to compare different programs to get that answer, but if you or anyone CAN please answer this as broadly as possibly i'd appreciate that. I mean why does schools like Tech and UTD (3rd tier) have higher admission standards than UNT (4th tier), if they aren't academically superior than UNT (and i am aware there are a number of reasons for their higher admissions standards, but feel free to mention WHY). Because from what i'm gathering from the responses, Tech isn't that great academically/different from UNT.......And it seems like A&M and UT are the only distinguished (academically superior) public universities in Texas.</p>
<p>Some of my comments may appear to be very general statements, but i do so to get a simple, general and truthful answer. And when i say "academaically superior" I kinda simply mean "offer a better education".</p>
<p>Oh and I intend to go to summer orientation before i fully decide if i wanna transfer or not. That and these responses will factor into my final decision.</p>
<p>"Hi-Power - For once we agree on something. (Will wonders never cease?) If a student does get into a specific, very competitive major at UT or A&M (such as petroleum engineer), then by all means go. However, I believe Tech's Honors College is the superior alternative for the many who are undeclared majors and stuck in the A&M or UT freshman/sophomore lectures with hundreds of students (versus 25 students in a Tech honors freshman or sophomore class) and all the other goodies (special housing, etc.) that come the Tech honors student's way."</p>
<p>Okay, I can see your point. That said, it doesn't really matter where you take your freshman/sophomore classes. Some of them are so damn easy that it doesn't really matter what the class sizes are. Also, a lot of them follow the textbook closely so you just need to read it to survive.</p>
<p>I'm sure your son will do just fine, but for me I didn't see any point in spending $3,500 a semester at Tech. The school has a stigma that I don't want to affect me the rest of my life. That and I HATED Lubbock.</p>
<p>TexanGood, if you have a shot at UT or A&M, you shouldn't even worry about UNT or Tech. Just go get your basics anywhere and then transfer to UT or A&M. However, if you are planning on majoring in business you will be at a disadvantage. But if you really want my answer, I'd probably pick Tech over UNT. UNT feels too much like a commuter school.</p>
<p>But if you want to get into a top business graduate school, I don't know if you'll even have a chance from Tech. If I were you, I wouldn't put so many eggs in one basket. If you have to go to Tech, then go to Tech, then decide on where you can go to grad school and what you can do based on your decision to go to Tech. If you go to Tech, you might be better off going into a SPECIALIZED grad program somewhere, like real estate or something, instead of a MBA.</p>
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<p>LMAO @ this. I majored in business and had a 50k salary coming straight out of Tech in 2001. For my major, many of the same companies recruited Tech, A&M, UT and every other major school in the region. When I started work, I started with individuals from UT, A&M, OU, Baylor, and Oklahoma State. For us, it didn't matter at all that UT had the top business school (by far), as we all started with the same salary and benefits!</p>
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But if you want to get into a top business graduate school, I don't know if you'll even have a chance from Tech. If I were you, I wouldn't put so many eggs in one basket. If you have to go to Tech, then go to Tech, then decide on where you can go to grad school and what you can do based on your decision to go to Tech. If you go to Tech, you might be better off going into a SPECIALIZED grad program somewhere, like real estate or something, instead of a MBA.
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<p>LMAO @ this too. I will actually be attending a top MBA program or a top Real Estate program this fall (as Real Estate is my passion). Schools that would love for me to choose them include Ivy League schools and all of the top graduate business schools in the state of Texas.</p>
<p>Top business schools care very little about which school you went to for undergraduate. GPA is important, but even that is just one factor. </p>
<p>Oh, btw, I had a 3.25 GPA at Tech. Flame away.</p>
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Thanks for the info. Yeh i know to be admitted to one of those top business schools personal credentials such as work experience, community service, and your GMAT score, are what matters most, in fact i actually have a relative who graduated from UNT and went on to grad school at UT, so i know getting into a UT gradschool from UNT or Tech is certainly possible.</p>
<p>So GPA isn't that important for MBA programs? that's a bummer, it makes me wondering what on earth am i working hard for (just kidding of course)....
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<p>GPA is certainly important. While it's quite likely that GPA is more important for a top law school (would make sense considering the high number of people that go to law school straight from undergrad), GPA is still an important piece of your application profile. The other important pieces include your GMAT Score, essays, work experience (the most important piece), and letters of recommendation (personally wouldn't rank community service as high as these things). To get into a top business school, it's best to be strong in all of these areas.</p>
<p>GPA averages for Top business schools:</p>
<p>Wharton - 3.50
Stanford - 3.61
Kellogg - 3.45
Chicago - 3.50
Tuck- 3.40
Stern - 3.40
Columbia - 3.40</p>
<p>Some of the top programs in TX:</p>
<p>UT - 3.38
SMU - 3.19
Rice - 3.27
A&M - 3.44</p>
<p>BTW, your undergraduate University is important in landing a job which will affect your post-graduation work experience. I'd compare salary/placement data between the two schools (I would think each career services center could supply that to you). I would check to see what services the different career centers offer you and also which companies recruit for your major (which, btw I missed if u posted it).</p>
<p>once you've earned a BS in Business Mangament what type of jobs should you get to meet the 2years+ work experience needed for a top grad school?</p>
<p>"LMAO @ this. I majored in business and had a 50k salary coming straight out of Tech in 2001."</p>
<p>You should have a $50,000 a year salary coming out of ANYWHERE with a business degree, so I don't see how this reflects on how good a school Texas Tech is. But I think down the road you will realize that you won't have the same networking opportunities with Tech as compared to other schools like UT or A&M.</p>
<p>"For my major, many of the same companies recruited Tech, A&M, UT and every other major school in the region. When I started work, I started with individuals from UT, A&M, OU, Baylor, and Oklahoma State. For us, it didn't matter at all that UT had the top business school (by far), as we all started with the same salary and benefits!"</p>
<p>So then you admit that you worked at some huge corporation. Let me tell you something, huge corporations are not the best places to work. Yeah, sure, you got the same job as some UT or A&M graduates, but if you try to get a job with a smaller company with a better work environment, more than likely the officers of the company graduates from UT or A&M. UT and A&M business graduates, especially UT, have more opportunities with different companies.</p>
<p>I've seen a few people who are officers of a corporation and hold Tech degrees, but I'm sure it took them a lot more work for them to get where they are.</p>
<p>Your entire posts proves my point. Texas Tech is no better or worse than many of the other Texas universities, but considering that it's in god-awful Lubbock, a town with nothing to do, what is the point? You are merely suggesting that a BBA from Texas Tech is a "good enough" degree.</p>
<p>"I will actually be attending a top MBA program or a top Real Estate program this fall (as Real Estate is my passion)."</p>
<p>And it's not at Tech, right? In Texas you'd have to go to A&M or UT for this.</p>
<p>"Oh, btw, I had a 3.25 GPA at Tech."</p>
<p>So, basically the point of your post is this: "Yeah, I only had a 3.25 GPA at Tech, since I drank so much, but I can still get the same less-than-desirable career as UT and A&M graduates!" I'm sure someone with a higher GPA from a more well-known school has more opportunities.</p>