Texas Tech vs. University of North Texas.....which is a better school?

brand_182 · August 5, 2007, 5:32pm

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A top ten list is made up of opinions, not fact.

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How about a top ten list made by USNews?

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When we're going to rate schools like UT and Rice compared to each other, we are rating competitive programs like business or engineering.

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As Rice does not have a business program, it will be difficult to imply that I was comparing their business programs. As I said earlier, I was comparing the universities overall. I have no need to prove that to you if you are incapable of critical reading.

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University of Texas at Austin
Texas A&M University
Trinity University
Rice University
University of Houston (it's growing and it's connected to the Houston workforce)
Angelo State University (no longer a regional college just for SA kids, it's a growing school. Lots of kids all over Texas going here now, and give it another ten to fifteen years it'll have an enrollment around 15,000, excellent physics program, plenty of people going to strong grad programs afterwards, comparable academics to Tech but in a nicer town, generally more respected by A&M grads than Tech)

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That's six. Fantastic.

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That's just off the top. If Tech's in the top 10, it's going to be 8th or 10th. It is a good school for getting a career, but like you said, outside of Texas, you really need to be in a better known program

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And now you agree with my initial claims. Thank you.

TexanGood · August 5, 2007, 6:42pm

Been away from my own thread for a while but here's my take on it all....

The reason why many students like myself who excel in school may choose Tech is because here in Texas there really aren't that many options for a good school beyond UT and A&M. Of course there is SMU,TCU, & Baylor but all are private & they all aren't too great at assisting student like myself with paying their high tuition rates (especially SMU!).

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TexanGood · August 5, 2007, 7:32pm

sorry accidently hit submit without finishing, heres my full post

I've been away from my own thread for a while, but here's my take on it all....

The reason why many students like myself who excel in school may choose Tech is because here in Texas there really aren't that many options for good schools beyond UT and A&M. Of course there is SMU,TCU, & Baylor but all are private & they all aren't too great at assisting students like myself with paying their high tuition rates (especially SMU!).

That being said it is common knowledge or perhaps perception, that Tech is the 3rd best public school in texas....the only other 2 that i think can compete with that spot are UTD or UH, although if one school were to become a 3rd flagship school in texas i believe it would probably be tech due to them being a member of the Big 12 & having some influence in the Texas legislature.

In my case i really had my sight set on UT but by the end of the Spring 07 semester i still hadn't taken Calculus 1 so i was unable to apply to McCombs, otherwise i think i may have had a fairly good shot at getting in. I didn't even consider A&M much because i was turned off by what i heard about the conservatism & lack of diversity out there. SMU's Cox business school was then my next choice that i very easily could have gotten into but the tuition there is outrageously high! Thus i was left with Techs Rawls college of business which I believe besides UT and A&M's business school is better/has a slight leg up on all the other public universities here in texas, and certainly better than UNT's college of business (in regards to job placement, name recognition, etc).....REMERMBER THE WHOLE POINT of this THREAD!

Its kinda funny because wherever & whenever Tech gets mentioned it always gets compared to UT or A&M, an indication i'd say that its not it the same category as the other public regional universities. I agree with Hi-Power that if they raise their admission stands perhaps they'd be able to truly compete with UT and A&M, but at the same time i think its admission standards are purposely lowered to increase their enrollment. STILL i think at Tech you'd find plenty of top students like myself who excel & care a great deal about their academics.

Remember when looking at a unversity its very important to look at the specific program you wish to enter (as i'm sure you all know). So for me Tech's college of Business is a good place to be at, if i wasn't a business major i probably would not have considered Tech & would have just applied to UT's liberal arts college which i had a very good shot of getting into. For a brief period i was going to apply for UT's liberal arts college just to feel as though "yes! as long as i graduate from UT i've done well", but my heart truly doesn't lie in a career in politics & that definitely was the wrong mindset to have. So here i am now about to start the fall at Tech's business school which i believe is better than staying at UNT's college of business.....REMERMBER THE WHOLE POINT of this THREAD!

rty456 · August 6, 2007, 12:15am

I have never in my life met anyone else who thought Angelo State was comparable to Tech. It is a regional school for west central Texas.

I am sure you are aware that Angelo State has become a part of the Texas Tech System.

You are right, I am ignoring you. i only post this for those who may read this thread and assume you know what you are talking about.

TexanGood · August 6, 2007, 12:23am

yes Angelo state is part of the Texas Tech system & is soon to be renamed with "Texas Tech" in its title.

i too was baffled when i read that angelo state had somewhat of an edge over Tech, but hey....i guess everyones entitled to their own opinion

lonestardad · August 6, 2007, 5:18pm

Texangood,

Congratulations on going to Tech's Business School! You will make your mark.

TexanGood · August 6, 2007, 11:13pm

thanks lonestar, i plan to work hard and eventually apply to the honors program in the spring.

oh & correction to what i said earlier about angelo state, they will keep their same name and not rename it with Texas Tech in their title.

Hi-Power · August 6, 2007, 11:22pm

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I'm not debating that or the tidbit about the difference in cost and the education you receive. I'm simply stating that the differences upon graduation for someone that graduated from A&M/UT or Tech, if both are looking for jobs in Texas, aren't going to be as drastic as you're making them.

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Oh really? That's funny considering the fact that there's more recruitment at A&M and UT and more prestigious jobs being offeres to graduates of those two schools. If that wasn't the case, then Tech would be better ranked academically, and it's not.

I actually went to Tech. You did not. I left Tech because I didn't like it up there and the academics and the reputation were not strong enough for me to put up with a school and town I did not like. So, yes, I believe I know what I am talking about on the subject. I don't think you've graduated college yet.

Frankly I don't even know why you're even on this thread because it doesn't sound like you have any experience dealing with Texas Tech at all. You never even considered going to school there.

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Would I choose UT over Tech? Quite obviously, since I never even applied to Tech.

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Now you're just contradicting yourself since you already said that there is no major difference between graduating from Tech and graduating from UT when it comes to finding jobs right out of college. Obviously in your mind, there is because you never even considered Tech and I doubt it's only because of the location of Lubbock.

There are way more successful companies ran by UT and A&M alumni in Texas than there are companies ran by Tech alumni. UT and A&M alumni are going to have preference to hire graduates from their own school as well as the other school (they might be rivals, but they do respect the academics of each other). Tech is stuck on third base.

You can succeed in Texas business with a degree from Tech but it's going to be easier if you had a degree from UT or A&M.

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It's about the business opportunities that you will find from either school.

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And if you actually had more experience with the workforce in Texas you would realize that I am right when I say that a degree from UT or even A&M is going to be stronger than a Tech degree.

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How about a top ten list made by USNews?

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So, the OPINIONS of US News is automatically going to be fact? Do you even know the difference between facts and opinions? Hahahaha.

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As Rice does not have a business program, it will be difficult to imply that I was comparing their business programs.

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So why in the hell would I want to spend that much money to go to Rice? Especially if, like you (or somebody else) said that it's a good school to go so you can go to grad school somewhere else? If you can't get a career right out of Rice that can pay for the massive amount of money you spent at Rice, what is the point?

I think you proved my point with that. Because Rice doesn't even have a business school, then how it is even much of a threat to UT and A&M? I think you are from the Houston area because outside of Houston, nobody really gives a damn about Rice. Rice caters to its own little niche and it isn't really even a factor to the job market.

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I have no need to prove that to you if you are incapable of critical reading.

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This coming from the guy who doesn't understand the difference between a fact and an opinion. Hahaha.

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That's six. Fantastic.

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Yes, six schools a Tech graduate is going to have to compete against IN TEXAS; we're not even talking about out of state. Not very good odds. If you think being around tenth place in universities in Texas makes Tech a prestigious school, you don't really have high standards for academic programs.

Tech is a good school to get a degree at to get a job, but that's about it. It's a good school if we remember that it is a regional university. As a regional university in Texas, it's one of the best when we compare it to say, Texas State. But comparing Tech to UT and A&M? Tech doesn't have much going against those schools except a smaller student population.

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And now you agree with my initial claims. Thank you.

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No, your initial claim is that a BBA from Tech is just as strong as a BBA from UT right out of college. That's total BS. Frankly, you know nothing about Tech and from your posts, it appears you have little experience with life after college.

Why are you even on this thread? You have no experience to offer and you just regurgitate the same crap we can get out of US News.

brand_182 · August 6, 2007, 11:37pm

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Now you're just contradicting yourself since you already said that there is no major difference between graduating from Tech and graduating from UT when it comes to finding jobs right out of college.

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I thought placing the statements two inches apart from each other would make it clear that I was referring to in-state jobs. As I have little interest in staying in-state, Tech never crossed my mind.

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And if you actually had more experience with the workforce in Texas you would realize that I am right when I say that a degree from UT or even A&M is going to be stronger than a Tech degree.

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The discussion isn't about which one is stronger. I've already conceded that A&M/UT are better schools and offer better opportunities. That does not negate the fact that one that attends Tech can be just as successful in the job hunt as one from UT or A&M, especially if he makes the most of his education.

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So, the OPINIONS of US News is automatically going to be fact?

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You opted for data. Much of the formula (75%) is data-based; 25% is based on opinion, albeit the opinion of those in the academic world. OTOH, you pulled a list out of your butt, so I would say that if that flies for a top 10 list, US News certainly has room in the discussion.

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If you can't get a career right out of Rice that can pay for the massive amount of money you spent at Rice, what is the point?

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This is a common misconception. Rice offers an excellent education and very generous financial aid. In fact, a peer of mine that was admitted to Rice and UT McCombs in 05 ended up turning down McCombs because Rice was cheaper. In the same sense, Washington University in St. Louis ended up giving enough financial aid to me to make the cost equivalent to that of UT. State schools, indeed cheap schools, are not always the best option, as they are stingy with FA and even then, much of it is in the form of loans.

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Yes, six schools a Tech graduate is going to have to compete against IN TEXAS; we're not even talking about out of state

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You have made a claim that Tech is not a top 10 school in Texas. Now you intend to bring out of state schools into the discussion as evidence? Surely you see the flaw here.
Besides the fact that your example of San Angelo State was practically shot down by everyone else.

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No, your initial claim is that a BBA from Tech is just as strong as a BBA from UT right out of college

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No, my initial claim was that Tech is a good school for getting a career in Texas and not so for going beyond the region. We agree that it is a regional school. Indeed that is the primary reason I would have never applied to Tech.

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Why are you even on this thread? You have no experience to offer and you just regurgitate the same crap we can get out of US News.

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Perhaps I get tired of reading you attempt to demolish Texas Tech and anyone with the faintest idea of attending. It's understandable that, as you've had a bad experience, you should voice your opinion and warn others. That doesn't mean you should crush their dreams and the entire school. Students that attend Tech CAN get a job comparable to that of UT/A&M grads. OF COURSE, an assumption is that those students are strong performers. The same can be said when comparing ivy league graduates and graduates of good state schools. Those that perform well will be successful wherever they go.

Hi-Power · August 6, 2007, 11:59pm

Texan good,

You may have a point. There really isn't a well-rounded, nationally known state university in Texas. There isn't a school in Texas like, say, Colorado State. Texas really needs a university with academics between Texas State and the University of Texas.

That said, part of the reason I consider Angelo State to be a better school than Texas Tech is because there's a good portion of Angelo State students who got accepted into A&M or UT but could not afford it. On the other hand, the kids that go to Tech more than likely could also afford to go to A&M or even UT because there's not a huge price difference between those three schools. But there's not very many students at Tech who could have gotten into UT or A&M but chose Tech instead. I was one of them and I was in a very small minority. Tech has more programs than Angelo but those programs you can find at the graduate level of other schools. I can't think of very many programs at Tech that you can't get at UT or A&M.

I had a friend at SMU who left after about a year or less. SMU doesn't have strong academics compared to its cost. If you can afford SMU, then you can afford to go to a better school out of state.

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That being said it is common knowledge or perhaps perception, that Tech is the 3rd best public school in texas

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That's something Tech students would like to believe but it's not. Frankly, outside of UT and A&M, there's nothing you can do with one degree from a public university that you can't do with a degree from another. So even if Tech is the third best public school in Texas, that's a empty proclamation. Hell, Tech's admissions are no harder than the majority of other public schools in Texas, and I think a few of them are harder than Tech's.

The U of H is starting to give Tech a run for it's money as well as even Texas State. Both of those schools are in way more populated regions of Texas, so they are going grow a lot faster than Tech. I don't like Texas State and I think Tech is a better school, but academically Texas State is growing a lot faster than Tech. Give it another 15 to 20 years and Angelo State will have a population of 10,000 to 15,000 students and it will be a rival school to Tech. UT Dallas has a good MBA program (I think it is the UT Austin MBA), but it's still too much of a satellite campus.

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I didn't even consider A&M much because i was turned off by what i heard about the conservatism & lack of diversity out there.

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Texas A&M has a large Hispanic population so I fail to see how that is not 'diverse.' It's one of the top schools in the nation for Hispanic students to go to. What's funny about 'diversity' is that the ones who complain about are usually minorities, and they only want diversity so they can be with other ethnic groups just like them. So much for diversity.

I have more of a problem with frantic, raving UC Berkeley liberal types than conservatives since conservatives usually don't throw a big ruckus and make themselves look bad.

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REMERMBER THE WHOLE POINT of this THREAD!

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The point of the thread died a long time ago and we have evolved into discussing Tech in general. Tech MIGHT have a better business school than UNT, but because Tech is so overshadowed by the business schools at UT and A&M, there's no real benefit. Tech doesn't have the commuter atmosphere of UNT, though.

If you went to Texas A&M you'd realize that a lot of the students there have a low opinion of Tech, so it would be better to go to a school like Angelo State without the lower reputation that Tech has. The rivalry between the schools goes a little bit further than just sports; calling Tech students "sand fleas" doesn't really have anything to do with their athletic programs.

Then when you have Tech students on here that say crap like "I got an entry-level job just like everyone else even though I could've worked harder in school," I wouldn't want anything to do with alumni like that. Furthermore, for supposedly being the third best public school in Texas, there sure aren't a lot of Tech graduates in grad programs at other schools.

Bottom line is, for $3,200+ a semester (current tuition at Tech last I checked), it doesn't offer much more compared to other public schools in Texas. For $3,600+ a semester, you can go to A&M and there's a big difference.

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Its kinda funny because wherever & whenever Tech gets mentioned it always gets compared to UT or A&M, an indication i'd say that its not it the same category as the other public regional universities.

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The only reason it gets compared to UT and A&M is because Tech TRIES to compare itself to UT and A&M. If you actually think there is some hidden benefit of going to Tech compared to the other public schools which are not UT and A&M, then you're looking towards disappointment. I knew an architect who graduated from Tech, and Tech has a decent architect program. But he worked alongside A&M architects and other alumni and he got beat up on constantly over the most frivolous things. He ended up quitting.

I've read somewhere that UT spends $400 million a year in research. Tech only spends around $50 million. There's no real comparison. Tech is just a large regional university that managed to keep itself out of a niche like Texas State. You might not like the conservatism of A&M but I think it's worth putting up with in order to get a degree there as opposed to Tech, especially if you aren't planning on getting a master's. Which brings up another point, if you get a master's from a better school than Tech, the Tech degree really loses it's luster. I knew a lawyer who also had a BBA from UT and I was impressed with that.

You're right about choosing a school for the particular program that you want, but I don't know of many programs at Tech which rival anyone else in the state, especially not Rawls.

brand_182 · August 7, 2007, 12:05am

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Which brings up another point, if you get a master's from a better school than Tech, the Tech degree really loses it's luster

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That's usually the case with any masters/professional degree. The terminal degree typically becomes the most important. If you're a lawyer, people don't ask "where'd you go for undergrad?"

Other than that, I agree with everything in your post, Hi-Power.

lonestardad · August 7, 2007, 8:17am

Brand-182, thanks for your thoughtful comments. I am glad you took the time to participate on this thread.

Hi-Power, I did not attend Tech yet I recruit for them at high school college fairs along with their alumni. Why? Because Tech's Honors College in particular and other parts of the University have provided more opportunities to my son than I could have hoped for as a parent when he enrolled.

One of the signficant advantages Tech offers that UT and A&M do not is a Law School and Medical School on the same campus so that undergraduates may take a "taste test" of graduate programs. My son took a law school class as a junior with first year law students which solidified his burgeoning interest in becoming a lawyer. Not available at A&M and not available at UT.

I previously mentioned Tech got a new chapter of Phi Beta Kappa this past year, the most prestigious academic undergraduate fratenity in the nation. Among all public universities in Texas only A&M and UT also have chapters.

Tech is not in the same league as UT academically and Tech does not tell thousands of incoming freshmen that no on-campus housing is available during your critical first semester as UT does. Tech does not tell students to go to satellite universities for a year or two and then transfer to the main campus because there is not enough room at the inn as UT-Austin must do.

These are indisputable facts. UT and A&M are right for many thousands of students and Tech is right for thousands of highly academically qualified students as well with many of them going on to some of the finest graduate schools in the nation. Facts and not opinions.

rty456 · August 8, 2007, 12:02am

One other fact is that as a Tech grad (from a number of years ago) I attended graduate school with students from around the country and competed without problems. I have a great life financially and a good education, in the broadest sense. I have met and discussed my profession and 'culture' with people from around the world. I have met with Ambassadors and foreign ministers without fear.

Many of us older grads, and probably some young ones as well, have at times compared ouselves to UT and A&M (both great schools and UT especially having a great 'brand name'). Increasingly, I think we see our own place in Texas and the world.

I hope the state of Texas will move a little ways towards the California situation with a multitude of great and good schools. The state and sountry deserve as much.

VectorWega · August 9, 2007, 11:06pm

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You should have a $50,000 a year salary coming out of ANYWHERE with a business degree, so I don't see how this reflects on how good a school Texas Tech is.

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Well, this was over 6 years ago. Regardless, we were paid the same as UT grads.

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So then you admit that you worked at some huge corporation. Let me tell you something, huge corporations are not the best places to work. Yeah, sure, you got the same job as some UT or A&M graduates, but if you try to get a job with a smaller company with a better work environment, more than likely the officers of the company graduates from UT or A&M. UT and A&M business graduates, especially UT, have more opportunities with different companies.

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LMAO @ this! I worked 30 hours a week for the corporation, much of that time I spent working on my side business and retired at the age of 28 (with no need to ever work again if I choose to do so). LMAO @ your idiotic statement that it's bad to work for a big corporation.

BTW, I started with some UT grads who had just been laid off by "small companies" and they all agreed that the work environment at this large company was much better.

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Your entire posts proves my point. Texas Tech is no better or worse than many of the other Texas universities, but considering that it's in god-awful Lubbock, a town with nothing to do, what is the point? You are merely suggesting that a BBA from Texas Tech is a "good enough" degree.

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Whether you like the location or not is a completely different subject. I could talk about how horrible College Station is but it has nothing to do with this discussion. My point was simply that in the big scheme of things the undergrad institution of choice is not that big of a deal.

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I see no point of you going all the way to Lubbock for school when you've probably passed two or three universities driving out there.

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It was the closest major university to me by far.

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So, basically the point of your post is this: "Yeah, I only had a 3.25 GPA at Tech, since I drank so much, but I can still get the same less-than-desirable career as UT and A&M graduates!" I'm sure someone with a higher GPA from a more well-known school has more opportunities.

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I actually NEVER drank at Tech. I worked 40 FUN hours a week while at Tech (while getting paid well as a salaried employee for Tech with full benefits).

BTW, I have much stronger connections through my HS than one could dream of making by graduating from UT or A&M undergrad.

Hi-Power · August 11, 2007, 5:33pm

I don't have time to read and respond to the replies on this thread, but I did have a little time last week to look into the claim that Texas Tech is the third-best public school in Texas.

According to US News and other rankings, Texas State is ranked as the third-best public school in Texas, not Tech. That does not surprise me for several reasons:

1) Name change -- I didn't like the name change, but it did show that they were serious about becoming a more prestigious university. They are trying to establish themselves on the same footing as the University of California system schools. That said, I wish they would drop the "San Marcos" from their name since it makes it sound dorky and I can't think of any other schools that will rename itself to "Texas State University." Angelo State left the system because it didn't want to change it's name, Sam Houston won't change it's name because Houston is a Texas hero, etc.

2) Business school -- They've made so many improvements to their business school that I consider it to be equal to Rawls at Tech.

3) Location -- San Marcos has a great location in Texas. Plenty of stuff to do and only a stone's throw away from Austin. It's also not too far for Houston students, which is why so many kids here are from Houston. You can do stuff here that you'll never be able to do in Lubbock.

4) Student population -- Just as big as Tech if not bigger.

I think Tech students have more pride in their school, especially since it's in the Big 12, but as Texas State becomes a stronger school, the pride will appear, too.

Reminds me, as far as the comment on here that Tech is compared to UT and A&M, so it must be a comparable school, the reason people compare Tech to UT and A&M is because they are all in the Big 12. Replace Tech with Texas State and there really wouldn't be much of a difference.

I see Texas State growing while Texas Tech will become stagnant. Tech isn't a bad school at all but I don't think it will ever vastly improve over what it is today. Otherwise it wouldn't have competition from Texas State, which was just a regional university a few years ago.

But the reality is, the rankings from US News and others don't mean squat unless the school is a flagship school. A degree from Texas State is not more prestigious than one from Texas Tech or the majority of the other schools in Texas. I personally don't like Texas State just because the student body is too rowdy. But if you're not from the Panhandle, want to stay close to home, and want to have plenty of stuff to do like tubing, then yes, I can see why you would pick Texas State over Tech.

euclid · June 27, 2008, 1:37pm

Back to the subject..

When compared to UNT (or Texas State San Marcos)Tech has higher SATs, retention/graduation rates, a much larger endowment, much higher research budget, higher rating by USWNR, better alumni support and a larger public profile.
Tech has a Phi Beta Kappa chapter, UNT does not. Tech has 2 medical schools (UNT has an osteopathic school), a law school, a pharmacy school and strong engineering and architecture programs. UNT has an excellent music program and a better location.

Texas State very few doctorate programs/research and no professional schools. It is far behind Tech.

Endowments;

Tech about $700,000
UNT about $95,000
Tx ST. about $85,000

syndicatedcolors · July 9, 2008, 5:18pm

I would disagree with that statement. Statistically all three school (UNT, Texas State, Texas Tech) are very similar to each other.

Percentage Accepted:
Texas Tech-77
Texas State-71 
University of North Texas-65

ACT™ Composite Scores 
Texas Tech-21 - 26 
Texas State-21 - 25 
University of North Texas-20 - 25

The SAT is almost identical as well. All Three schools are very competitive with each other. Granted, Tech does have a much larger endowment because of its research programs. Texas State is an up and coming school with many improvements being made over the past few years.

Hi-Power · October 16, 2008, 2:20am

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Texas State very few doctorate programs/research and no professional schools. It is far behind Tech.

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No it's not; I've been to Tech and knew a bunch of people at Texas State. The student body is about the same and the reputation of both schools is neck and neck in Texas. In fact, Texas State is doing a lot better than Tech right now when you consider how much ground it has covered in the past few years to get to the same level as Tech.

But honestly, if a student is serious about academics, there are much better choices in Texas.

schismmanifesto · November 2, 2008, 10:08pm

I like UNT much more than Tech. First, UNT is plugged in to the DFW metroplex but it's just far enough away, in Denton, to have the distance to have a unique feel. This means that if you want to party with SMU, TCU, UT Arlington, etc. kids or if you want the resources that DFW has it will be so much easier to do (internships & prospective jobs) Second reason for UNT over Tech, Tech is in the middle of no where!! Lubbock sucks and even worse is the fact that its over 200 miles from the closest respectable metro area. Lubbock is flat, colder than other parts of Texas, stark in scenery, and generally a drab place in comparison to places like Austin and to an extent North Texas. Finally, look at the cost of convenience. Both schools aren't that prestigious so picking one over the other won't make a difference to employers.

Shesh · November 22, 2008, 7:31pm

I agree with you, schismmanifesto. UNT used to be a commuter school but I think it has stepped it up a notch recently. The problem with Tech is that it will attract party-type students who want to be 200-300 miles away from their parents.

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I have a great life financially and a good education, in the broadest sense.

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I wouldn't necessarily use that to indicate that Texas Tech is as good as UT and A&M. UT and A&M will get you there easier.

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A&M was actually ranked higher than UT sometime in the 90s so I would say that both are on equal footing as far as brand name, with UT having an advantage with the financial sector due to McCombs.

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I hope the state of Texas will move a little ways towards the California situation with a multitude of great and good schools.

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This will probably never happen. The good students in Texas are already going to UT, A&M, or Rice and the good students that can afford it go to TCU or even SMU. You can't really expect Texas State or Texas Tech to really step up the plate to the same level as UT and A&M because there's just not a draw for exceptional students to go to those schools.

As far as education is concerned, you can't really compare Texas to California considering that California has a stronger white-collar background.

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