Texas vs Texas A&M

Colleges and Universities A-Z The University of Texas at Austin
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<p>I guess I can lend a more “unbiased” opinion, I go to Emory University and my parents are from Texas. </p>

<p>IMO, Texas A&M and University of Texas are the SAME ACADEMICALLY, I still have no idea why everyone thinks UT may be better than A&M. Both schools are ranked in the 50s-60s, and when you are ranked so far down(Top 50s? ***), it doesn’t really make a difference. However, the closer you get to elite schools (Top 20, top10, top5) IN THE NATION, it starts making A HUGE difference, in terms of national prestige, and competitiveness of the student bodies. When you ranked so far down, its not a huge difference in the intelligence levels of the student bodies, national prestige.</p>

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<p>Hmm… Austin, College Station. Austin, College Station. What hard choice to make… not!</p>

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<p>UT ranked #29 and A&M ranked #50 according to [United Universities in Top 500 - 2009](<a href=“http://www.arwu.org/Country2009Main.jsp?param=United”>http://www.arwu.org/Country2009Main.jsp?param=United&lt;/a&gt; States) States</p>

<p>UT ranked #47 and A&M ranked #61 according to [National</a> Universities Rankings - Best Colleges - Education - US News and World Report](<a href=“http://colleges.usnews.rankingsandreviews.com/best-colleges/national-universities-rankings/state+TX]National”>http://colleges.usnews.rankingsandreviews.com/best-colleges/national-universities-rankings/state+TX)</p>

<p>If you average the two, you get UT #38 and A&M ranked #56.</p>

<p>That’s not exactly neck-and-neck.</p>

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<p>people generally have a preference of one over the other.</p>

<p>you just have to figure out which one YOU prefer.</p>

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<p>Really? Coming from someone attending Emory?? LOL I hope you’re just trying to stir the pot. You do realize that UT-Austin absolutely runs rings around Emory in academic rankings (hint - that means not USNWR overall undergrad ranking). EVERY academic department at UT is ranked in top 20 in the country or higher (USNWR grad/PhD, NRC, etc.). Emory does not even come close. Sorry, UT’s international reputation is much stronger too (Times, AWRU, etc.). In terms of faculty, grad programs, research… really everything - UT is stronger than Emory. The only reason Emory looks better in the USNWR rankings is because the formula favors smaller schools and privates that can have more selective admissions. It has absolutely nothing to do with the actual quality of academic programs. I mean, do you seriously believe Berkeley isn’t a top 10 university just because USNWR undergrad formula says it isn’t? Have you ever even looked at the undergraduate peer reputation ranking? Even at the undergrad level, UT has had a higher UNDERGRADUATE peer reputation ranking than Emory (at least until this past year, when it dropped below 4.0 for the first time EVER for some odd reason). Oh, I will grant Emory has a stronger med school, though, since UT-Austin doesn’t have its own.</p>

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<p>^^^ Your claims make no sense, first of all, provide some links to your sources before you start making stupid claims. Anyone can make up stats. </p>

<p>EVERYONE ACTS like UT’s Undergrad. B-School is one of the “best” in the country, YET EMORY’s Undergrad B’ school has been ranked higher than UT’s in past years (Businessweek). In 2008, EMORY’s BUSSINESS SCHOOL WAS RANKED 5th in the NATION, in 2009, EMORY’S B-SCHOOL WAS RANKED 9th in the NATION. UT’s business school ONLY managed to remain at 10th place BOTH years. So your claim that EVERY (EVERY) department at UT is better than Emory is ■■■■■■■■.
[The</a> Top Undergraduate Business Programs - BusinessWeek](<a href=“http://bwnt.businessweek.com/interactive_reports/undergrad_bschool_2009/]The”>http://bwnt.businessweek.com/interactive_reports/undergrad_bschool_2009/)</p>

<p>IN TERMS OF JUST UNDERGRADUATE STUDENT BODIES…EMORY DESTROYS UT(EMORY>>>>UT)…Our average Sat score from collegeboard is a 2100, and 90 percent of our students were top 10 percent of their high school. Compare that with UT, where only 77 percent of the kids are top 10 percent, and the average SAT score is only a 1835/2400? *** A average sat score of 1835 makes UT seem like a trashy school that accepts anyone. BEREKLY IS A STATE SCHOOL YET THERE AVERAGE SAT SCORE IS a 2020, which is still considerbly higher than UTs.</p>

<p>When you are comparing UT to Emory, its like trying to compare UT to Rice. NO ONE would say that UT>>>Rice in EVERY aspect, however people do make the claim that Rice is A LOT BETTER than UT. Rice and Emory are considered “peer” institutions in terms of research, student bodies, etc, as a result, it is ludicrous to say UT>>>Emory.</p>

<p>Its not even worth arguing that EMORY is better than UT anymore, simply because I AM AT THE BETTER SCHOOL and I KNOW THAT, where as you get defensive, simply when someone points out the fact that UT and Texas A&M are similar schools academically.</p>

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<p>all i have to say is EMORY, seems to be the smarter schol lol but UT is still TEXAS lol</p>

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<p>^^^ Thank you, at least someone here agrees with me.</p>

<p>I DO LIKE THE PARTIES AT UT THOUGH, Because the NERDY KIDS AT EMORY, just don’t know HOW TO PARTY…llol.hahaa</p>

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<p>Wow, you use a lot of caps! “There average score…” Hmm.</p>

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<p>^^^ LOL, I used a lot of caps, because I wanted people to pay attention to specific points of argument, because I made a long argument, I doubted if people would actually read the entire thing…rofl.</p>

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<p>either way both schools are great ut is probably a tad bit more distracting because of the parties but then again you decide to go</p>

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<p>I already provided the sources. The National Research Council, USNWR PhD/professional/academic department rankings, Academic Ranking of World Universities, Times-QS World Academic rankings, etc. All of these have been posted many times on this site.</p>

<p>I’m not saying Emory isn’t a good school… it is. However, it’s academic programs just aren’t on the same level as UT’s. ALL of UT’s departments - law, business, engineering, computer science, physics, chemistry, history, philosophy, classics, architecture, pharmacy, et. al are ranked in the top 25 in the country - or higher. Emory cannot make the same statement.</p>

<p>It’s the same with Rice. Rice is a stronger undergrad school by virtue of its much smaller size. However, the only programs I can think of that rank’s on par or higher than UT are architecture and biomedical engineering. Per the NRC, UT’s academic programs were ranked #1 in Texas in 30 of the 37 academic programs that were rated. The others where UT wasn’t #1 was because UT Southwestern Medical School was #1. WHile those rankings are over 10 years old, the most current USNWR grad rankings still show UT is #1 in Texas by far. It’s okay… many non-academics make the error of equating undergrad selectivity and size with overall institutional prestige. They may be tied with some schools, but there isn’t a direct correlation.</p>

<p>Back to UT vs AM… They are similar in many ways at the undergrad level and as others have said, it really comes down to which environment you prefer.</p>

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<p>^^^NO NO NO, RICE AND EMORY ARE BETTER SCHOOLS THAN UT, BECAUSE THEIR STUDENT BODIES ARE MUCH MUCH MUCH BETTER than UT’s, not because they have smaller size. </p>

<p>College Board Comparison of Rice/Emory/UT</p>

<p>Average SAT score - [Emory]- 2100 [Rice] - 2120
Students who were top 10 percent in High School - [Emory= 90 percent of kids in top 10 percent of high school]…[Rice] = 84 percent of kids in 10 percent of high school</p>

<p>NOW FOR UT, its has much WEAKER STUDENT BODY
Average Sat Score- [UT- 1835] - ARE YOU ****ING KIDDING ME, THAT IS TERRIBLE for a SCHOOL YOU CLAIM TO BE ONE OF THE BEST IN THE COUNTRY
Students who were top 10 percent in high school - 77 percent.</p>

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<p>^^^ YOU PROVIDED SOURCES, but I WANT TO SEE LINKS. I tried searching through your “SOURCES”, but did not find any data that corresponds to your claims.</p>

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<p>^^^ Did you not see my post about the business school, UT’s pride rests on its business school, where Emory is ranked higher than UT.</p>

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<p>^^^ YES ON THIS FORUM, WE WERE STRICTLY DISCUSSING UNDERGRAD, the OP IS AN AN UNDERGRAD AND WAS COMPARING UT AND TEXAS A&M UNDERGRAD, just like I WAS COMPARING UT AND A&M UNDERGRAD.</p>

<p>JWT86, do you agree that , YES IN UNDERGRAD EMORY>>>>>>>>UT, AND EMORY>>>>>>>>>A&M, SO (UT AND A&M)= same in UNDERGRAD?</p>

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<p>UT’s pride rests in its business school? LOL - says who, exactly? That’s kind of funny considering UT’s business school isn’t even its highest ranked program! I mean, as far as professional schools go, most would say UT’s law school is stronger. And in terms of engineering, ONLY MIT, Stanford, and Berkeley have more faculty in the NAE. And computer science is a consensus top 10 program, and the college of education… okay, nevermind. Sure, UT’s “pride” rests in its business school!</p>

<p>I don’t need to provide links… they have been posted DOZENS of times on this site alone! Since you seem so convinced… why don’t you provide a source showing Emory has anywhere near the same number of highly ranked academic departments as UT? I would be interested to see this. I mean, I already gave you Emory’s medical school since UT doesn’t have one. And fine, you found an undergrad business ranking that shows Emory 5 pts higher. But how many other programs is Emory ranked higher than UT in? (Speaking of medical schools, its a shame UT-Austin can’t claim UT Southwestern in Dallas as its medical school since it has more Nobel Laureates on faculty than ANY medical school in the US.)</p>

<p>As for student numbers… Emory can keep its higher average SAT scores. I’ll take UT’s higher ranked academic programs, stronger faculty, and greater resources anyday. Not to mention. UT’s sheer size as a major puvblic provides a vast diversity of experiences, including one of the largest international student bodies in the country. </p>

<p>No, I don’t agree Emory’s undergrad is >>>>>> UT. Average student scores are one thing, but in the end I’m more interested in the quality of faculty and academic programs.</p>

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<p>i think we love UT because of the Texas longhorns without them UT is normal lol</p>

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<p>^^^^ NO ONE IS TALKING ABOUT GRADUATE SCHOOL PROGRAMS, THIS IS AN UNDERGRAD FORUM, AND WE WERE DISCUSSING UNDERGRAD PROGRAMS? Why, do you bring up information that is not applicable to this argument?</p>

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<p>^^^^ I am not the one making claims, like UT IS BETTER THAN A CERTAIN SCHOOL IN ALL ASPECTS. Also, YOU CAN’T CONFIRM YOUR SOURCES, WHICH PROVES YOUR DATA IS USELESS.</p>

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<p>^^^^^ AGAIN, THIS IS AN UNDERGRAD FORUM, WE ARE CONSIDERED WITH UNDERGRAD EDUCATION. YOU ARE ■■■■■■■■, if YOU ARE TRYING TO COMPARE GRAD PROGRAMS with a SCHOOL THAT IS PRIMARILY UNDERGRAD FOCUSED. RICE AND EMORY ARE PRIMARILY UNDERGRAD FOCUSED, SIMILIAR TO PRINCETON</p>

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<p>^^^^ YES WE CAN KEEP OUR HIGHER STUDENT SAT SCORES, AND NUMBERS BECAUSE WE ARE A BETTER UNDERGRADUATE SCHOOl. </p>

<p>TO SHOW UNDERGRAD NUMBERS AGAIN:
“Our average Sat score from collegeboard is a 2100, and 90 percent of our students were top 10 percent of their high school. Compare that with UT, where only 77 percent of the kids are top 10 percent, and the average SAT score is only a 1835/2400? *** A average sat score of 1835 makes UT seem like a trashy school that accepts anyone. BEREKLY IS A STATE SCHOOL YET THERE AVERAGE SAT SCORE IS a 2020, which is still considerbly higher than UTs.”</p>

<p>I have proved your argument WRONG, because YOU ARE COMPARING GRAD LEVELS PROGRAMS-ON AN UNDERGRAD FORUM, and I WAS TALKING ABOUT UNDERGRAD PROGRAMs (BECAUSE I WAS SMART ENOUGH TO REALIZE THAT I AM POSTING ON AN UNDERGRAD FORUM, UNLIKE YOU)</p>

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<p>colleges00701, you have absolutely no idea what you are talking about. You (stupidly) said your qualification to denounce everything said in here is that your parent is from Texas. As I said earlier, Texans tend to view the two schools similarly, while the rest of the world views UT better and the computer science program at UT was ranked in the top 10 by US News.</p>

<p>However, you’ve said a lot more stupid things than that. First, I will explain how UT’s undergrad b-school trumps that of Emory, then I will point out that Rice actually isn’t amazingly better than UT or A&M, and finally I will point out that you are an idiot (because you’re probably the only person on here who doesn’t see this).</p>

<p>UT doesn’t compare to Emory and Rice for overall USN rankings, but UT’s individual programs don’t compare either, because most of them are actually better.</p>

<p>Business:</p>

<p>The business program at UT does, in fact, run circles around that of Emory. I think the last time I saw Business Week, Emory was 5th and UT was 10th, which is hardly grounds to deem one significantly better. Then, of course, there’s the fact that Business Week publishes a laughable joke of a ranking, but for actual peer and recruiter perception, UT is the only university in the country to be in the top 10 for every aspect of business.</p>

<p>UT has been ranked first in accounting for almost 2 decades by multiple sources, but it’s the finance program that defines a truly elite business program, and there are only a handful (literally 5) institutions in the US that have arguably better finance programs with better perception and placement than that of UT, whereas Emory doesn’t even crack the top 10. If you want some proof check US News undergrad b-school concentrations or overall ranking; they actually use perception among professors and recruiters to make that one.</p>

<p>If you’re still hung up on BW, consider that UT has similar placement statistics to UVa, which Business Week (mistakenly) ranked as the best b-school in the nation. If UT can place it’s huge student body (yes, the b-school is larger than average, perhaps why BW dislikes it) into top jobs with similar success than what you would consider to be the best program in the nation by following BW while Emory doesn’t come close, then guess what? UT’s program is better and there’s really not much to say about it.</p>

<p>The strongest program at UT is actually probably architecture, by the way. Congratulations on basing your entire opinion on how Emory crushes UT in business on a single, very inaccurate ranking that still puts UT in the top 10 and does not line up with placement statistics or real-world respect. You make it that much easier to argue that UT is better than your school.</p>

<p>As for Rice:</p>

<p>You may consider Emory to be equal to Rice, and may consider both to eat UT and A&M for breakfast, but that’s you just being yourself again. Consider that Rice is known for sciences and engineering. Their engineering program is ranked 17th, which is pretty darn good. Guess which university they are tied with? Nope, it’s not Emory, Rice is tied with Texas A&M for 17th in engineering. Since Rice is known for engineering, shouldn’t Rice also be known for being exactly equal to A&M?</p>

<p>Never mind that, let’s talk about UT. UT is ranked 9th for engineering; significantly better than A&M. Since you go to Emory, you’re obviously smart enough to know what that means, but in case you need me to spell it out: UT is significantly better at engineering than Rice.</p>

<p>As for yourself:</p>

<p>I hope you realize that if the student body at Emory is like you, then it surely is not at all equal to that of UT and A&M! You’re accusing people in here of being wrong and defensive, while being the most defensive person in the thread, and when your shoddy arguments meet resistance, you ask for proof as if the things you’re saying have tons of legitimate backing to being with and the sources others mention simply don’t exist, even in the cases where they’re more reliable or even from the same publication as your own. Good luck in Emory, you’ll probably need it.</p>

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<p>^^^ you guys are just give subjective arguments without any objective data to back it up. I want to see REAL DATA that shows UT “runs cirlces around Emory”, I laughed so hard when I saw this.</p>

<p>EMORY IS A LIBERAL ARTS SCHOOL, WE HAVE A PROGRAM WITH GEORGIA TECH, for engineering. GA-TECH/EMORY BME IS RANKED ONE OF THE TOP 3 PROGRAMS IN THE COUNTRY.</p>

<p>I like how you guys make vague claims like “multiple sources” without backing it up like I did. I backed it up by showing Business school rankings, showing how Emory is a much more selective when picking undergrad students, you guys don’t have any real data, but you simply claim that the data is “out there”.</p>

<p>If you guys are the product of a University of Texas education system, you are just proving how terrible the quality of the education is at UT. NEVER MAKE CLAIMS YOU CAN’T BACK UP WITH REAL SOURCES TO SHOW AND DISPLAY.</p>

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<p>There you go again, if they taught you how to read at your “LIBERAL ARTS SCHOOL” then maybe you would see that I did, in fact, use multiple sources. If you weren’t a moron, you might realize that your single source is much weaker than any of mine.</p>

<p>You used the joke of rankings, BW, while I used rankings published by US News that used actual program perception among recruiters and professors. I, unlike you, actually know what I’m talking about and am familiar with placement statistics (which you can find on the school websites), accounting publication rankings, where top business employers recruit and how Texas’ business program is much stronger than Emory’s in everything except BW’s horribly flawed rankings. Of course, if you knew absolutely anything about what you’re talking about, you would have known all of this.</p>

<p>Before you claim witchcraft, try actually reading my post. Then again, you seem to have a lot of trouble with things that actually make sense. How about this, instead of challenging me to find more and more sources, how about you find one single legitimate source that shows exactly why Emory is even comparable to UT for business. Once you have done that, you can work on actually formulating counter-arguments to anything I’ve said and eventually you’ll realize just how backwards you are. Then again, I wouldn’t hold my breath on someone like you actually learning anything.</p>

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<p>^ Again, provide links please? Because I can’t find the data you guys are talking about. Don’t make vague claims like “multiple sources”. GIVE ME LINKS TO THESE SO CALLED PROGRAMS.</p>

<p>BTW, THE BEST UNDERGRAD B-SCHOOL IN THE COUNTRY SHOULD BE WHARTON. (FOR THOSE YOU WHO Don"T KNOW WHAT WHARTON IS, it is an IVY LEAGUE B-SCHOOL AT UPENN.</p>