The 4th Best Business School

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<p>outside of HWS, the main reason I would place MIT / Columbia over the remaining 4/5 schools (including Kellogg) has less to do with any particular specialty or curriculum, etc. (let’s face it, at the top tier level these programs are all very good) but rather because those two schools enjoy strong reputations both in the US and internationally.</p>

<p>Kellogg may be well known in the US (and even then I’d argue that its reputation isn’t significantly stronger than MIT or Columbia’s) but, and here is my point, it is absolutely no where near as strong on an international level. I point to my own anecdotal evidence during my travels across Europe and Asia where I have met a number of MIT / Columbia / Chicago MBA grads and I have yet to meet a single Kellogg grad. Now perhaps that is because I have spent my entire career in finance, but even beyond that in my discussions with senior management (C-level executives) across a number of industries – H/W/S stands above all else which is no surprise – and MIT / Columbia / INSEAD getting recognition then Chicago.</p>

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<p>haha vectorwega, i wasn’t diverting…i acknowledged that i overlooked Kellogg’s strength in marketing but tried to give a reason for why i overlooked it. i’m guessing you’re somehow associated with Kellogg. also notice that marketing isn’t one of the categories that i was considering (which i listed). in case you’re wondering, about 1% total from HBS go into both advertising and marketing.</p>

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<p>FWIW, this is my anecdotal evidence, the MD of ING Asia is a Kellogg grad. He is also a MIT grad. (not MBA).</p>

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<p>I’m not at all associated with Kellogg. </p>

<p>Also, your numbers are wrong. 7% of HBS grads go into Marketing. Another 6% go into business development, which is closely related to marketing (and included as a subset of marketing by schools such as Stanford). 16% of Stanford students go into marketing.</p>

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<p>“the” MD? </p>

<p>Look I’m not saying that there aren’t any Kellogg grads out in Asia / Europe – of course there are – I’m just saying that I have never come across one (meanwhile I’ve met MBA grads from every other M7 school).</p>

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<p>I think a strong case can be made for Chicago being four or better as well…the faculty is outstanding and the school has a particularly strong quant reputation. And as for the comment that nobody who goes to Chicago got into any of the other top 7, well that’s just plain dumb…</p>

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<p>I have always found it to be ironic to the extreme that while Northwestern Kellogg is supposedly the best school when it comes to marketing, practically nobody outside the US - and even many people in the US - have ever heard of it. Uh, isn’t brand publicity supposed to be the very raison d’etre of marketing?</p>

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<p>[xkcd</a> - A Webcomic - Marketing Interview](<a href=“http://xkcd.com/125/]xkcd”>xkcd: Marketing Interview)</p>

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<p>sakky,</p>

<p>“practically nobody outside the US have heard of Kellogg”? Speaking from a NON-executive, I suppose. </p>

<p>[Business</a> school rankings and MBA rankings from the Financial Times](<a href=“http://rankings.ft.com/businessschoolrankings/kellogghong-kong-ust-business-school#emba-rankings]Business”>http://rankings.ft.com/businessschoolrankings/kellogghong-kong-ust-business-school#emba-rankings)</p>

<p>Country: China (1/5 of world population)
International students rank: 1 </p>

<p>Do you even have a MBA anyway?</p>

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<p>Ray has many degrees.</p>

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<p>who’s Ray?</p>

<p>Sam, with all due respect, does anyone even follow (or care about) EMBA rankings? (fwiw, FT’s global MBA ranking had Kellogg ranking no. 21) Further, Kellogg-Hong Kong UST Business School? HK UST b-school? Really? I worked in HK for over 5 years and never even heard of those guys. (Kowloon or Central)?</p>

<p>For the record, I’m not saying that Kellogg isn’t a great program – it absolutely is. But for international reach / reputation, it loses that battle to, say, MIT or Columbia – much less Harvard / Wharton / Stanford. That doesn’t take away from the fact that it is a Top 5 MBA program in the US with a leading marketing program.</p>

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<p>I think sakky has a Harvard MBA.</p>

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<p>How do you know ? Methinks not quite.;)</p>

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<p>the_prestige,

You sound pretty self-important and it shows. You go around this board telling others how this and that school isn’t as known or whatever, thinking you are some kind of authority while telling me you haven’t heard of HKUST even though you worked there for over 5 years. HKUST is ranked 16th by FT. Maybe you aren’t really as knowledgeble as you think you are.</p>

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<p>Also, the EMBA ranking was meant to dispute sakky’s ridiculous claim that “practically nobody outside the US have heard of it (Kellogg)”. That program is #1 in “international rank” with tons of foreign students. If “practically no one have heard of it”, I wonder what these students are. I don’t think they are refugees FOB! Kellogg has been ranked #1 for quite a few times by Business Week and has always been ranked in the top-5 by USN since the 80s. If I am not mistaken, before the Brits copied the Americans and started publishing those so-called international rankings, the US rankings were the only ones being circulated not just in the US but also Europe and Asia. People didn’t live in bubbles back then. Splitting hair and saying one school is better than another is one thing, exaggerating and trying to knock a great school with ridiculous claim is quite another and disgusting, IMO.</p>

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<p>Sam, again with all due respect, my comments aren’t meant as an insult – merely what my experience has been. Also am I being “self important” if I worked in HK and never heard of that school? That’s just the truth - nothing less and nothing more. </p>

<p>Exaggerations and being disgusted? Sam you are taking things way, way too personal. Have my comments been that out of line? I’ve acknowleged from the outset that Kellogg is a great program - so what is the real issue here? The fact that Kellogg just does not enjoy an international rep that rivals HBS or MIT? So what? That can be said for 99.99% of bschools out there.</p>

<p>This has been my experience. I never claimed my comments to be any more than that. Should I lie? That would be the real outrage.</p>

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<p>Let’s not re-direct the discussion.</p>

<p>The current discussion isn’t about HKUST’s EMBA or even its MBA rankings – nor is it about its relative international reputation vis a vis another Asian, European or US b-school – it’s not about HKUST at all. Frankly, bringing up the FT rankings at all hurts your case and bolsters mine: </p>

<p>1) We all (including myself numerous times) acknowledge that Kellogg is a top ranked school in the US (as evidenced by its Top 5 rankings by both Businessweek and USNWR).</p>

<p>2) If we are to believe you and my view / comments are completely wrong – then how do you explain Kellogg’s (and yes, there is a difference between a standalone MBA program and a joint EMBA program such as Kellogg-HKUST) – again, how do you explain Kellogg’s relatively low global MBA ranking?</p>

<p>3) If we are to believe that Kellogg enjoys the same international reputation as it does at home, then shouldn’t it be ranked similarly in the Top 5 by FT’s global MBA ranking? If not Top 5, then at least Top 10?? And if not Top 10, then at least Top 15??? And if not Top 15, then surely at least Top 20??? But it’s not. It’s ranked outside the Top 20. The same place it ranked last year as well. </p>

<p>4) Oh, and btw, where do Columbia and MIT rank in FT’s global MBA ranking? No. 4 and No. 9. For US schools in the ranking they rank right behind Harvard and Wharton – with Columbia actually edging out Stanford. Again, international strength is why I would put Columbia up there. Gee, sounds kind of familiar? Does that result sound “self important”?</p>

<p>5) Those results completely back my statement up 100% – that is in the US, Kellogg is an elite program. Internationally, its ranking / reputation take a hit. Does that “insult” you Sam? Take it up with FT as well I guess…</p>

<p>So, really, you can be “disgusted” all you like, but those are the facts – and they aren’t “exaggerated”.</p>

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<p>Call me silly, but i would put NYU Stern before Kellogg.</p>

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<p>You are silly.</p>

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<p>^ Hmmm, Nouriel Roubini is giving NYU plenty of press time these days. ;)</p>