The Annoying Rubbish of "Tufts Syndrome"

Colleges and Universities A-Z Tufts University
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<p>This is so. goddamn. stupid.</p>

<p>Ph0enix, my dear - we are all perfectly aware of your standpoint on Tufts as relative to other schools. There is absolutely no need to say, any time anyone says anything good about Tufts, HAHA you're so dumb, Tufts is nowhere NEAR that other school! We get it. You don't think Tufts is anywhere close to any Ivies. Enough! Can we PLEASE get on with life?</p>

<p>And eng_dude, what's so bad about Tufts kids thinking it's a great place? I for one am a big proponent of being happy at one's college.</p>

<p>Any of these stupid squabbles over whether or not Tufts is better than such and such other school is so freaking idiotic. ATTENTION PLEASE: TUFTS WILL BE BETTER THAN SOME SCHOOLS IN SOME RESPECTS AND WORSE THAN SOME SCHOOLS IN OTHER RESPECTS DEPENDING ON THE PERSONAL PREFERENCES OF EVERY UNIQUE INDIVIDUAL DOING THE COMPARISONS. </p>

<p>I'm also confused as to how Tufts is 7th place among Boston schools. Harvard and MIT may be above it - I personally do not consider BC, BU, Northeastern, Brandeis or Emerson to have a better reputation academically. Maybe people think more highly of BC b/c of its football, but whatever.</p>

<p>Ph0enix. For the last time. Seriously, you know I've tried to be neutral, but I am so sick of saying that there tons and tons of people here who got into Tufts AND Cornell, or Tufts AND Dartmouth, Tufts AND Penn, Tufts AND Columbia, even Tufts AND Harvard, and chose Tufts.</p>

<p>aries is totally right! Penn arts and SCIENCES may be harder to get into, but what about NURSING, for Christ's sake?! And once again, ad nauseum, Cornell's ILR, Hotel, and CALS programs are not nearly as selective as Tufts' college of liberal arts.</p>

<p>And why why WHY WHY WHY is everyone so convinced that all Tufts students are bitter Ivy rejects? Isn't it possible that people just liked the school and wanted to come here? Jesus H. Christ. No seriously, this is now making me angry because despite all my best efforts to say, hey, we're not bitter, everyone is just like "oh, haha, she's so naive, she obviously doesn't realize that there is nothing like attending an Ivy."</p>

<p>NEWSFLASH. The Ivy League was eight schools that wanted to play football together. YES I KNOW THAT THEY ARE ALL EXTREMELY WONDERFUL PRESTIGIOUS SCHOOLS, but that is the origin. I did grow up thinking that I was the type of person who would end up at an Ivy, but now I see that the way things are nowadays it's pretty meaningless, given how biased and/or arbitrary (haha, i know they're total opposites but it's true) college admissions are. For the last time. There exist students at Tufts who are happy. Who turned down Ivy league schools. Some applied to Ivies and did not get in. Some did not DESERVE to get in. Some did, but may have been rejected because they were a white kid from Massachusetts, or something. Some people applied here early! But I have never heard any of them say, I ****ING HATE IT HERE. Not even the transfers - they just think they'll like Brown better. NOT NECESSARILY BECAUSE OF PRESTIGE EITHER. </p>

<p>I'm officially done with these stupid discussions. Any time another one happens I'm going to do my best to change the topic. To William Hung, if necessary. I'll even start asking about Katie Holmes and Tom Cruise's love life - or Britney Spears' baby - topics that have never, ever interested me...or maybe a political debate...because this is just plain dumb now.</p>

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<p>Thank you. </p>

<p>And, if I may switch the subject, would you know what areas the IR programme is focused more on history, or history/geography, or a philosophical/diplomatic POV? Just curious. Thanks. Also, what has your dorm experience been like?</p>

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<p>lol, if you're going to put Amherst and Williams into that group (colleges that are on the other side of the state) you might as well put in Brown and Yale...just as close.</p>

<p>But seriously folks, all the stat whoring is ****ing retarded. I thought people would be finished with all this bs after they got accepted to college, but I guess not. good grief...</p>

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I CAN'T BELIEVE WE ARE ARGUING OVER THE DIFFERENCE OF A FEW NUMBERS!!! IT'S THE QUALITY OF EDUCATION AND LONG TERM GOALS THAT COUNT.

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<p>Why post this then?</p>

<p>Wellesley = 41% admitted
Tufts = 26% admitted. </p>

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You guys are harassing and bullying the post section. Pure and Simple. Every time someone poses a question or thought you destroy it in a hail of abuse.

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How is saying that Tufts is the 5th, 6th, 7th school in Boston or saying that the Ivy Leagues are better than Tufts "destroying questions in a hail of abuse"?</p>

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<p>Refer to previous questions. </p>

<p>NOW MOVE ON TO ANOTHER TOPIC !!! </p>

<p>Such as a possible answer to my IR programme question. Or the dorm life question.</p>

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<p>BC, BU, and Northeastern are all very good schools but clearly none has a significant edge over Tufts. Anyone knowledgable on the subject will tell you that. Even if you go by the flawed US News rankings, Tufts outranks all other Boston, nay Massachusetts, schools except MIT and Harvard. </p>

<p>It should tell you something that we Tufts kids so heartily defend our school's reputation. We know it is poorly-known and underrated. It can't even get on CC's top colleges.</p>

<p>Also as I keep saying some schools are better for some people than for other people.</p>

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<p>I agree with you, WrathofAchilles </p>

<p>Now, is it possible, just possible that we could move to a different topic for discussion?</p>

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<p>LOL, the only peeps that have mentioned Amherst and Williams are the Tufts proponents here. Back to the inferiority thing again.</p>

<p>Just about the ONLY thing I'll concede to here is the IR concentration. And for my edification, how many people at Tufts major in IR? Everyone on this board who attends Tufts seems to be an IR major....How many are out of the total Tufts enrollment?</p>

<p>As far as what makes Tufts the 5th, 6th, or 7th best in Boston, consider that for the following programs, these schools are widely considered superior to Tufts: </p>

<p>Engineering: MIT, Olin, Harvard, Northeastern, BU, UMass</p>

<p>Philosophy: Harvard, MIT, BC, BU</p>

<p>Physics: MIT, Harvard, BU, BC</p>

<p>Economics: Harvard, MIT, BU, BC</p>

<p>English: Harvard, BC, BU</p>

<p>Theology: Harvard, BC, BU</p>

<p>Management: Tufts has none</p>

<p>Journalism: Tufts has none</p>

<p>Allied Health Sciences: Tufts has none</p>

<p>Just a few examples.....</p>

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<p>I don't understand the fuss. Williams and Amherst like Mercedes and BMW, while Tufts is like Hyundai. What's the big deal? They all get you where you want to go.</p>

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<p>"First of all, no one's bitter; second of all, it's easier to get into Penn and some Cornell schools than it is to get into Tufts. If you can get into Tufts, you could get into at least one of Penn, Cornell, Dartmouth, or Brown."</p>

<p>I disagree...</p>

<p>" Never seen a person bash Tufts who even had a prayer of getting in the door."</p>

<p>What about the people who used Tufts as a safety school and were "Tufts Syndromed"?</p>

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<p>Oh yeah, and add Brandeis to most categories except for engineering... Heh.</p>

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<p>Wow...just wow...</p>

<p>I really dont understand certain people's maturity levels on this board. PS- "blabla"? You need to create a new name for that one post?
PPS- This is all going absolutely nowhere...let's just move on</p>

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<p>If we all aimed for admission to the local communicty college, we wouldn't have this problem.</p>

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<p>That's why I'm hesitant to enter these discussions - they become rather petty and personal - and it's a waste of time. We've done our part, it's just important that we remain civil.</p>

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<p>Well, I was admitted to Tufts and BU, but didn't apply to any "ivies" so definitely not an ivy reject and don't have ivy envy. BU was my "safe" school. I don't know a whole lot about it but at least in the midwest, we view BU as a second tier school compared to BC, Tufts, etc. That doesn't mean it doesn't have good programs, like I said, i don't know. But in terms of overall reputation, fair or not, BU isn't even close to many others. I don't mean to bash BU, just making a point about it in comparison to Tufts and others because I happen to have looked into it and applied there (and was accepted with a lot of scholarship money)</p>

<p>Remember though, there is a big difference between how easy or hard it is to get into a school, and how good of an education you get once you are there!!!</p>

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<p>All of you who talk about Tufts Syndrome, I invite you to check out the Tufts RD thread. There you will see many people who would be perfect candidates for Tufts syndrome, yet who were admitted. Much of the admissions game depends on factors which cannot be predicted or quantified.</p>

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Well, I was admitted to Tufts and BU, but didn't apply to any "ivies" so definitely not an ivy reject and don't have ivy envy. BU was my "safe" school. I don't know a whole lot about it but at least in the midwest, we view BU as a second tier school compared to BC, Tufts, etc.

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<p>I'm guessing you didn't fare very well on your SAT writing section, Hoping. This is for the most part a meaningless post. </p>

<p>First you say that BU is your safety school and that you "don't know a whole lot about it". Why you would apply to a school that you claim to know nothing about is pretty foolish. Then, even more egregiously, you suggest that your opinion speaks for the entire midwestern demographic of the USA. Huh????????</p>

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I don't mean to bash BU, just making a point about it in comparison to Tufts and others because I happen to have looked into it and applied there (and was accepted with a lot of scholarship money)

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<p>Next, you claim that your intent is not to bash BU because you "happen to have looked into it and applied and got a lot of scholarship money". Huh???????? If you looked into it, you wouldn't/shouldn't claim to know not much about it, would you? Or you didn't. You sound confused here.</p>

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Remember though, there is a big difference between how easy or hard it is to get into a school, and how good of an education you get once you are there!!!

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<p>This is the only statement you've written that I can agree with. And I continue to stand by my opinion that Tufts is the 5th, 6th, or 7th best school in Boston for several major courses of study, which I've previously posted in this thread.</p>

<p>Tufts has many weaknesses. It is weak in research output. I have to chuckle when I read about how Tufts ugrad research opportunites are such a strength when Tufts does so very little research to begin with. This is a measurable quantity where Tufts clearly lags. It has a paltry endowment compared to the "real" top schools. The interesting thing here is that so many students paint the perfect Tufts picture but their alumni giving rate is subpar. Must be a humongous gap between those who attend and those out in the "real world", huh? Tufts cannot realistically meet a significant percentage of financial aid that the top schools have the resources to offer. Gee, ever wonder why there are so many international students there?? Just like BU: its not because Tufts (or BU) values diversity, it's because the majority of attending internationals simply have the $$$ to pay full tuition. To top it all off, the lack of a significant corporate recruiting presence pretty much says it all. Combine these weaknesses and you get what you should: a very good school but unworthy of consideration amongst the best.</p>

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Tufts has many weaknesses. It is weak in research output. I have to chuckle when I read about how Tufts ugrad research opportunites are such a strength when Tufts does so very little research to begin with. This is a measurable quantity where Tufts clearly lags.

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That's a generalization unto itself. It's not an across the board "Tufts has no research," that it does very little research - in fact, it does quite a bit. If you look into the medical school, would you dare say that no research goes on there? We have such faulty logic to make a grand claim! We need to go back to being a second tier institution in order to earn our respect as a big fish in a small pond! It's absolutely not feasible that the undergraduates would be able to work with the medical school! How about the strength of the fletcher program? Is that weak research when we have the best authorities concerning international issues developing solutions and analyses of the world? This exposure to research that you so proudly tout as weak reflects your ignorance of our institution.</p>

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It has a paltry endowment compared to the "real" top schools.
The interesting thing here is that so many students paint the perfect Tufts picture but their alumni giving rate is subpar. Must be a humongous gap between those who attend and those out in the "real world", huh? Tufts cannot realistically meet a significant percentage of financial aid that the top schools have the resources to offer. Gee, ever wonder why there are so many international students there?? Just like BU: its not because Tufts (or BU) values diversity, it's because the majority of attending internationals simply have the $$$ to pay full tuition.

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Is that so? We're so poor and our alumni hate us so much that we're going to be need blind within the next 5-10 years. Considering that this university almost shut down several times in its history doesn't leave much for billions in the bank. Georgetown must be a pretty horrible institution too as it can't support its financial aid to compete with top schools by any means. Why don't we all move to the Georgetown forum and also tell them that they should be taken off the Top Universities listing as they're obviously not qualified by your standards.</p>

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To top it all off, the lack of a significant corporate recruiting presence pretty much says it all. Combine these weaknesses and you get what you should: a very good school but unworthy of consideration amongst the best.

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Why you would apply to a school that you claim to know nothing about is pretty foolish

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<p>ph0enix got modded, so he can't post, i am his faithful messenger.
THIS MESSAGE IS FROM PH0ENIX, not me...so don't get me in trouble :-)</p>

<p>WELL HERE IS A MESSAGE FROM COLLEGEMOM (MODERATOR).....IF SOMEONE GOT "MODDED" (PLEASE TAKE SOME ENGLISH COURSES), THEN DO NOT COME ON AND POST THEIR POSTS FOR THEM WHO YOU WILL BE "MODDED" YOURSELF, GOT IT? POST FOR YOURSELF AND ATTRIBUTE YOUR THOUGHTS TO YOURSELF. YOU MAY NOT SPEAK FOR PH0ENIX HERE. HE/SHE WILL HAVE TO ABIDE BY THE POSTING RULES AND HAVE A CHANCE TO SPEAK WHEN THE MODS LET HIM/HER. SO, YOU MAY BE A FAITHFUL MESSENGER BUT PH0ENIX IS NOT TO BE POSTING AND YOU CAN'T DO IT FOR HIM/HER. HOPE YOU DON'T WANT TO GET "MODDED" AS WELL.</p>

<p>I HAVE REMOVED THE PART OF YOUR POST THAT WERE PH0ENIX'S WORDS/POST.</p>

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<p>Well then, shocking how the mods haven't managed to silence his voice despite cutting him off from posting. He has disciples! :) Well we don't have to pay any attention to his message anyways as it's not particularly factual. As good of a friend you've been to bring us his golden words, I would suggest that you leave this heated debate as you're an accessory to his spam.</p>