The Arguing Thread

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<p>As I go through and read old threads, there always seems to be one thing I can count on finding for every other thread or so: arguing. People getting p***** off at each other b/c the other one is clearly ignorant and needs to change their opinion IMMEDIATELY. I'm not saying that's a bad thing...in fact, arguing is fun. It shows us what people are really about...</p>

<p>So let's all argue about something...</p>

<p>Here's a possible prompt, but don't let it stop you from rambling on about something else...</p>

<p>Karl Marx was a genius and the whole world should become communist like China. Have at it.</p>

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<p>This is very strange...................</p>

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<p>give it time my son...this should get interesting</p>

<p>think of something really controversial that will get people fired up.</p>

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<p>Hmm. I don't know if I would call Marx a genius, but he was certainly a very perceptive guy. Nonetheless, I don't believe communism should be implemented worldwide.</p>

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<p>clearly this topic won't work b/c everyone realizes that communism is impractical in real life.</p>

<p>Ok how about this. Family Guy is 100 times better than South Park and South Park is running out of ideas. They need to give up and quit, like they were going to do a couple seasons ago. The episode where they said the writers for Family Guy were a bunch of manitees was the stupidest thing I've ever seen in my life.</p>

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<p>Despite being relatively "easier" to get into than the other ivies, Cornell is the best ivy league school around and contributes more (in various ways) to society than the other schools. The top ivy league schools are over-rated. Their days are numbered and Cornell will eventually take it's rightful place as the best university in the world.</p>

<p>Wishful thinking?</p>

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<p>Yes. It's no coincidence that Cornell has the lowest admissions standards of any Ivy and the most grade "deflation."</p>

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<p>"Karl Marx was a genius and the whole world should become communist like China. Have at it."</p>

<p>I honestly believe that Karl Marx was Satan incarnate. Considering the sheer amount of horror and utter human misery that resulted directly from his ideas, there is no other explanation. Either that, or the Devil had an incredible hold on him.</p>

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<p>I like cheese, oh the controversy.</p>

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<p>I am politically incorrect. So sue me.</p>

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<p>brand_182 your thread isn't working cuz you aren't arguing about something that you think is important. You're just throwing out random topics and expecting people to care about it. And South Park? Sorry dude, I don't watch it. Be more universal and put in more of your opinion. Try again.</p>

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<p>OOO yay. I love arguing. Check out the Israeli posts, they are turning into something fierce. </p>

<p>But lets start something completely different. Say, politics. As most of the people in America belong to the Rep or Dems, lets take sides. </p>

<p>--Starts to shake from the excitement of bashing Rep--</p>

<p>I should note that I am not one or the other, I am an issue voter. I refuse to be blind and one-sided; worst thing ever created in global politics. But I also cannot hide my frustration and generalizations with the Republican party. I mean wow, could they be living any more in the past? Jeez, get your act together. America is no longer the Thirteen colonies. We are no longer immigrants seeking safety from religous persecution. We are in the twentieth century, the era of tolerence. Take your Christian propaganda (I am Christian) and shove it. Politics and religion dont and shouldnt be mixed. </p>

<p>There are more important issues than two fags getting married or abortion (which I am against). How bout we look at how we are changing the world. A lot more violent now isnt it? Or maybe, I mean it's not like it's important, we could look to our homeland? Social Security, immigration, the environment ring a bell? Guess not. How bout our growing deficit? What's it at, (I'm not kidding, I've lost track)?<br>
Completely off track, we did some random problem in calc in which we calculated how long it would take America to get out of debt if everyone contributed all of their income (using America's mean income). It was like 4 years or so, pretty neat...</p>

<p>Now I'm not saying all of these issues are Rep fault. But come on, *** is Congress doing? Stop giving yourselves raises and do what we are paying you to do. </p>

<p>A favorite of mine is the environment. Oh where to start? All I can say is there are to many rednecks running this government without a ****ing clue as to what big business is doing to our earth. And no, Im not a tree-hugging hippy. I'm just a decent citizen.</p>

<p>Hope this gets something started!</p>

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<p>I strongly agree with your post blink182 and also like your s/n. Republicans are environmental idiots and Bush is the worst thing to happen to this country since Celine Dion. The day he refused to sign the Kyoto agreement was the day I joined the Dixie Chicks in saying that I am ashamed that GW is from Texas, and I am also ashamed that he graduated from Yale. </p>

<p>Here come the dubyas...</p>

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<p>You are expecting an arguement through anticipation. (high anticipation) No one cares for this, at least I don't. Good day to you sir.</p>

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<p>As the title of the thread suggests, you are correct sir.</p>

<p>And good evening to you.</p>

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<p>This administration spends double that of Clinton. Not only for the war, but also for EPA, Education, Agriculture, etc.</p>

<p>I think they might have a few saving graces though</p>

<p>1)Tax cuts for higher brackets
2)Not signing the Kyoto Protocol (Oh, you might want to know that none of the countries that signed it are actually meeting the standards..hahaha
3)Not taking global warming seriously
4)Supporting Israel (kind of...)
5)Not renewing AWB '94
6)Attempts at tort reform</p>

<p>brand182 I think you are juvenile beyond belief. Not all of us are going to 'take sides' between Republicrats or the Demolicans. And promoting your hysteria about global warming and the environment doesn't give you credibility either.</p>

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<p>You are entirely correct...global warming is not real and everything will be fine. I'm not sure how the things you've listed are "saving graces?" Tax cuts for higher brackets? What's new? Not signing the Kyoto Protocol...interesting that other countries are not keeping up with it, but I guess what would be the point if the world's largest polluter wasn't on-board. Not taking global warming seriously? So we know which side you are on, which is fine, but I wouldn't say I am without credit b/c my beliefs differ from yours. It would seem more juvenile for someone to cast aside an opinion because they don't agree with it. Supporting Israel...I agree with the administration there.</p>

<p>So I guess this arguing thread becomes a good ole fashioned global warming debate. Which is good - I haven't seen one of those on CC yet. </p>

<p>I'll take the side of those that listen to the nation's brightest individuals and suggest that maybe, just maybe, global warming has some truth to it and should be considered instead of being blown off in favor of keeping the rich richer. </p>

<p>But it can't just be an argument between me and you, b/c to really learn something from this, we need others' input to further illuminate us beyond what we both already know.</p>

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<p>Brightest inviduals..Here are some for you.</p>

<p>-Patrick J Michaels- UVA professor of environmental sciences?
-Dr. Ian D. Clark, professor, isotope hydrogeology and paleoclimatology, Dept. of Earth Sciences, University of -Ottawa
-Dr. Tad Murty, former senior research scientist, Dept. of Fisheries and Oceans, former director of Australia's National Tidal Facility and professor of earth sciences, Flinders University, Adelaide; currently adjunct professor, Departments of Civil Engineering and Earth Sciences, University of Ottawa
-Dr. R. Timothy Patterson, professor, Dept. of Earth Sciences (paleoclimatology), Carleton University, Ottawa
-Dr. Fred Michel, director, Institute of Environmental Science and associate professor, Dept. of Earth Sciences, Carleton University, Ottawa
-Dr. Madhav Khandekar, former research scientist, Environment Canada. Member of editorial board of Climate Research and Natural Hazards
-Dr. Paul Copper, FRSC, professor emeritus, Dept. of Earth Sciences, Laurentian University, Sudbury, Ont.
-Dr. Ross McKitrick, associate professor, Dept. of Economics, University of Guelph, Ont.
-Dr. Tim Ball, former professor of climatology, University of Winnipeg; environmental consultant
-Dr. Andreas Prokoph, adjunct professor of earth sciences, University of Ottawa; consultant in statistics and geology
Mr. David Nowell, M.Sc. (Meteorology), fellow of the Royal Meteorological Society, Canadian member and past chairman of the NATO Meteorological Group, Ottawa
-Dr. Christopher Essex, professor of applied mathematics and associate director of the Program in Theoretical Physics, University of Western Ontario, London, Ont.
-Dr. Gordon E. Swaters, professor of applied mathematics, Dept. of Mathematical Sciences, and member, Geophysical Fluid Dynamics Research Group, University of Alberta
-Dr. L. Graham Smith, associate professor, Dept. of Geography, University of Western Ontario, London, Ont.
-Dr. G. Cornelis van Kooten, professor and Canada Research Chair in environmental studies and climate change, Dept. of Economics, University of Victoria
-Dr. Petr Chylek, adjunct professor, Dept. of Physics and Atmospheric Science, Dalhousie University, Halifax
-Dr./Cdr. M. R. Morgan, FRMS, climate consultant, former meteorology advisor to the World Meteorological Organization. Previously research scientist in climatology at University of Exeter, U.K.
-Dr. Keith D. Hage, climate consultant and professor emeritus of Meteorology, University of Alberta
-Dr. David E. Wojick, P.Eng., energy consultant, Star Tannery, Va., and Sioux Lookout, Ont.
Rob Scagel, M.Sc., forest microclimate specialist, principal consultant, Pacific Phytometric Consultants, Surrey, B.C.
-Dr. Douglas Leahey, meteorologist and air-quality consultant, Calgary
Paavo Siitam, M.Sc., agronomist, chemist, Cobourg, Ont.
-Dr. Chris de Freitas, climate scientist, associate professor, The University of Auckland, N.Z.
-Dr. Richard S. Lindzen, Alfred P. Sloan professor of meteorology, Dept. of Earth, Atmospheric and Planetary Sciences, Massachusetts Institute of Technology
Dr. Freeman J. Dyson, emeritus professor of physics, Institute for Advanced Studies, Princeton, N.J.
-Mr. George Taylor, Dept. of Meteorology, Oregon State University; Oregon State climatologist; past president, American Association of State Climatologists
-Dr. Ian Plimer, professor of geology, School of Earth and Environmental Sciences, University of Adelaide; emeritus professor of earth sciences, University of Melbourne, Australia
-Dr. R.M. Carter, professor, Marine Geophysical Laboratory, James Cook University, Townsville, Australia
-Mr. William Kininmonth, Australasian Climate Research, former Head National Climate Centre, Australian Bureau of Meteorology; former Australian delegate to World Meteorological Organization Commission for Climatology, Scientific and Technical Review
-Dr. Hendrik Tennekes, former director of research, Royal Netherlands Meteorological Institute
-Dr. Gerrit J. van der Lingen, geologist/paleoclimatologist, Climate Change Consultant, Geoscience Research and Investigations, New Zealand
-Dr. Patrick J. Michaels, professor of environmental sciences, University of Virginia
-Dr. Nils-Axel Morner, emeritus professor of paleogeophysics & geodynamics, Stockholm University, Stockholm, Sweden
-Dr. Gary D. Sharp, Center for Climate/Ocean Resources Study, Salinas, Calif.
-Dr. Roy W. Spencer, principal research scientist, Earth System Science Center, The University of Alabama, Huntsville
-Dr. Al Pekarek, associate professor of geology, Earth and Atmospheric Sciences Dept., St. Cloud State University, St. Cloud, Minn.
-Dr. Marcel Leroux, professor emeritus of climatology, University of Lyon, France; former director of Laboratory of Climatology, Risks and Environment, CNRS
-Dr. Paul Reiter, professor, Institut Pasteur, Unit of Insects and Infectious Diseases, Paris, France. Expert reviewer, IPCC Working group II, chapter 8 (human health)
-Dr. Zbigniew Jaworowski, physicist and chairman, Scientific Council of Central Laboratory for Radiological Protection, Warsaw, Poland
-Dr. Sonja Boehmer-Christiansen, reader, Dept. of Geography, University of Hull, U.K.; editor, Energy & Environment
-Dr. Hans H.J. Labohm, former advisor to the executive board, Clingendael Institute (The Netherlands Institute of International Relations) and an economist who has focused on climate change
-Dr. Lee C. Gerhard, senior scientist emeritus, University of Kansas, past director and state geologist, Kansas Geological Survey
-Dr. Asmunn Moene, past head of the Forecasting Centre, Meteorological Institute, Norway
-Dr. August H. Auer, past professor of atmospheric science, University of Wyoming; previously chief meteorologist, Meteorological Service (MetService) of New Zealand
-Dr. Vincent Gray, expert reviewer for the IPCC and author of The Greenhouse Delusion: A Critique of 'Climate Change 2001,' Wellington, N.Z.
-Dr. Howard Hayden, emeritus professor of physics, University of Connecticut
-Dr Benny Peiser, professor of social anthropology, Faculty of Science, Liverpool John Moores University, U.K.
-Dr. Jack Barrett, chemist and spectroscopist, formerly with Imperial College London, U.K.
-Dr. William J.R. Alexander, professor emeritus, Dept. of Civil and Biosystems Engineering, University of Pretoria, South Africa. Member, United Nations Scientific and Technical Committee on Natural Disasters, 1994-2000
-Dr. S. Fred Singer, professor emeritus of environmental sciences, University of Virginia; former director, U.S. Weather Satellite Service
-Dr. Harry N.A. Priem, emeritus professor of planetary geology and isotope geophysics, Utrecht University; former director of the Netherlands Institute for Isotope Geosciences; past president of the Royal Netherlands Geological & Mining Societ
-Dr. Robert H. Essenhigh, E.G. Bailey professor of energy conversion, Dept. of Mechanical Engineering, The Ohio State University
-Dr. Sallie Baliunas, astrophysicist and climate researcher, Boston, Mass.
-Douglas Hoyt, senior scientist at Raytheon (retired) and co-author of the book The Role of the Sun in Climate Change; previously with NCAR, NOAA, and the World Radiation Center, Davos, Switzerland
-Dipl.-Ing. Peter Dietze, independent energy advisor and scientific climate and carbon modeller, official IPCC reviewer, Bavaria, Germany
-Dr. Boris Winterhalter, senior marine researcher (retired), Geological Survey of Finland, former professor in marine geology, University of Helsinki, Finland
-Dr. Wibjorn Karlen, emeritus professor, Dept. of Physical Geography and Quaternary Geology, Stockholm University, Sweden
-Dr. Hugh W. Ellsaesser, physicist/meteorologist, previously with the Lawrence Livermore National Laboratory, Calif.; atmospheric consultant.
-Dr. Art Robinson, founder, Oregon Institute of Science and Medicine, Cave Junction, Ore.
-Dr. Arthur Rorsch, emeritus professor of molecular genetics, Leiden University, The Netherlands; past board member, Netherlands organization for applied research (TNO) in environmental, food and public health
-Dr. Alister McFarquhar, Downing College, Cambridge, U.K.; international economist
-Dr. Richard S. Courtney, climate and atmospheric science consultant, IPCC expert reviewer, U.K.
-Dr. Boris Winterhalter, former marine researcher at the Geological Survey of Finland
-Dr. Wibj–rn KarlÈn, emeritus professor, Dept. of Physical Geography and Quaternary Geology, Stockholm University
-Dr. Dick Morgan, former advisor to the World Meteorological Organization and climatology researcher at University of Exeter, U.K.</p>

<p>Smart people who think global warming is real:
Al Gore
James Hansen</p>

<p>Oh I know, all the above mentioned scientists must be under the payroll of Exxon, right?</p>

<p>Aliens landing on earth is actually more credible than global warming.</p>

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<p>actually, it's spelled individuals.</p>

<p>I think you did some selective omission there. There are far more intelligent people that believe global warming is real. But good list nonetheless.</p>

<p>Not just the payroll of Exxon...they couldn't do it all alone. I'm sure they've got help.</p>

<p>I'm not really sure about aliens...I don't think there's as much evidence for aliens as for global warming. I guess if you do, then that may make some question how valid your argument really is.</p>

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<p>A 2004 essay in Science surveyed abstracts of peer-reviewed research articles related to climate change. It concluded that a scientific consensus in favor of the global warming theory exists.</p>

<p>American climate scientists have accused the Bush adminstration of systematically changing scientific reports on global warming . NASA climate scientist Dr. James E. Hansen has complained that he is being censored. Several scientists working at the National Oceanic and Atmospheric Administration have made similar complaints.</p>

<p>Supporters of Global warming argument:
The UN's Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change (IPCC).
The national academies of science of the G8 countries and Brazil, China and India [17].
The US National Academy of Sciences, both in its 2002 report to President George W. Bush, and in its latest publications, has strongly endorsed evidence of an average global temperature increase in the 20th century and stated that human activity is heavily implicated in causing this increase.
The American Meteorological Society (AMS statement).
The American Geophysical Union (AGU statement). John Christy, who is usually placed in the skeptics camp, has signed the AGU statement on climate change.
The American Association for the Advancement of Science (AAAS). [18]
The Union of Concerned Scientists </p>

<p>I can throw around many more names from the most prestigious universities in the world, but I don't really think that proves much. This should be a debate based on ideas, not who supports those ideas.</p>

<p>Citations: Encyclopedia.</p>

<p>Just copying and pasting like yourself, good sir.</p>