You’re treating this as a ranking created by someone who knows both schools, and their relative academic reputations. That is not what this thread is about. Consider three people: two of them aren’t familiar with the Ivies, and provide a ranking that doesn’t include UPenn, but does include the more familiar Penn St at #20. The third person, from CC, excludes Penn St and ranks UPenn at #15. The consensus ranking (depending on how rankings are consolidated) might well have Penn St appear above UPenn.