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<p>Again, interesting aside. Completely immaterial to the statement in my intial post. There is no way you can tell what the single girl (Cassels) score was from the information in the article, only that it was above 600 on each part. If you can, I’d like to hear your rationale.</p>
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<p>Not really. It’s just the simple definition of mean.</p>
<p>If you read my earlier post, you’d know what I was talking about. We’re talking about the best and brightest. That clearly doesn’t refer to the individual near the beginning of the article and more likely refers to a group.</p>
<p>From the original article:</p>
<p>Honors enrollment at Howard Community College, a 9,000-student campus in Columbia, has risen from 123 to 185 in the past two years. Cassels enrolled in the signature program, Rouse Scholars, which takes 45 high school graduates each year and offers a proven pipeline to four-year schools. The average Rouse scholar has a 3.7 grade-point average and a combined SAT score of 1596 out of a possible 2400 points.</p>
<p>I never understood a hype about elite colleges. D.(college junior) is very satisfied with academics at state school in Honors, while her tuition is covered by Merit Scholarships. She did not want apply to Ivy’s and still does not want to apply to thier Graduate schools. I am not sure I understand why kids would go to CC and then apply to Elite schools. Isn’t it much longer and much more expensive? Why don’t they just go to state 4 year colleges Honors?</p>
<p>MiamiDAP, because other kids aren’t your daughter; they have different aspirations, majors, desires, state colleges, honors programs, financial considerations, than your data point of one, and other colleges may fit them better.</p>
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<p>Nice of you to define mean for me.</p>
<p>I read your original post. Im not commenting on that. </p>
<p>I hate to quote my own post, but since you refuse to actually reply to what I wrote I will -</p>
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<p>Completely irrelevant to what I posted.</p>
<p>This is a forum. This is what we do in a forum.</p>
<p>“we”?? Speak for yourself, buster, no one else!</p>
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<p>Telling others what to do in a forum is like spitting into the wind.</p>
<p>We only requires one person. But two would do. That more than one person forks discussions would be sufficient. I suspect that I could find a post where you did the same thing.</p>
<p>The editorial “we” is great in the right places, but here? Looks weak to me, and that’s not usually something I get from your posts.</p>
<p>In our neck of the woods we have exceptional CCs (northern CA). There are certain tracks where you are guaranteed admission to the UC system after completing coursework with a certain GPA. Many kids attend the CC. I suspect the biggest problem is that there are many who attend the CC who are only there because of parental insistence. It can seem to be a continuation of HS. For the driven student, not a problem. The quality of instruction is excellent.</p>
<p>Certain programs, dental assisting / hygiene, nursing, are very competitive to get into. I believe many applicants already have undergraduate degrees in the liberal arts and are looking for a way to get a good paying job. In my opinion this is no different than graduate school.</p>
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When poster has a different opinion from yours, why it makes you so angry. This is mostly for entertainment, not for having heart attacks. Nobody will make life changing decisions based on these threads. We just share our experiences, sorry we do not always have exactly what you have. Have fun!</p>
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<p>I do not understand your reasoning. I said that we work. This is true. I didn’t apply the we to the topic of “best and brightest”.</p>
<p>“We are not amused…”</p>
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<p>I know perfectly well where the thread title came from: I read the article. My comment was directed at the article, not at Owlice.</p>
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<p>And I neither said nor meant any such thing. I specifically said “based on the info they give here” NOT “based on her SATs.”</p>
<p>Any other false assumptions to clear up? :)</p>
<p>Generally, I just detest the “journalistic” habit of over-blowing things. I’ve read so many articles that state that “everyone” at school X is a genius or “everyone” at school Y is a wealthy preppy with a “popped collar” and a Volvo in the parking lot and yadda, yadda, yadda.</p>
<p>Would it have killed them to say “some good students who have solid choices among 4-year public and private schools are choosing CCs for financial reasons nowadays, and some CCs such as X have responded by creating honors programs where the stats of entering students compare to selective colleges” rather than appending the annoyingly exaggerated “best and the brightest”? </p>
<p>I admit that I’ve become such a dyed-in-the-wool CC parent that my first thought on hearing about her 11 acceptances was “What, no financial safety?” closely followed by “Her reach school should have been a need-blind school with deep pockets, not U VA OOS” followed by “What about U MD College Park?”</p>
<p>“spitting into the wind”</p>
<p>Reminds me of a little song:</p>
<p>Bad Bad Leroy Brown (I think this is the right song)</p>
<p>a line about “you don’t tug on Superman’s cape, you don’t spit into the wind, you don’t pull the mask off the old Lone Ranger and you don’t mess around with Jim”</p>
<p>One shouldn’t pee into the wind, either, something small boys sometimes learn the hard way on camping trips! :eek:</p>
<p>MiamiDAP, I wasn’t angry, at all! It’s true, however, that your D is a data point of one. No one is putting down your D’s choice of state U; why do you put down other people’s choices of a different path?</p>
<p>My kid is a data point of 1, and his experience can’t be, shouldn’t be, globalized; I can’t apply it to everyone, nor would I want to try, because he is ONE unique person. </p>
<p>So, too, is your daughter. She is doing well and is academically challenged by your state U. Yay!! for that! That’s great that it works for her! But it wouldn’t work for everyone. </p>
<p>Dad’o’2, “we” may not be amused, but “I” am, and usually greatly!! :D</p>
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<p>I don’t think my assumption was much of a leap given what you wrote (posted below), which sounded to me like like you were saying these students weren’t so bright given their average SAT score… </p>
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<p>owlice,
When I mentioned that you get angly, I did not mean just your reply to me, I meant your replies in general when poepl disagree with you. Of course, it is my personal perception, and others might not feel the same way. In terms of my D. she represent whole group of kid who do not care much about Elite colleges, she is not alone in this. However, leaving this fact behind, I still do not understand the solution of going ot CC first, then get transferred to Elite school. It looks longer and more expensive route then to go to 4 years college and then try to transfer to Elite place if this is the goal. I myself started out at CC, graduated from CC, find professional job in my field (in economic condition that was worse than now) and had various employers pay for my Bachelour and MBA. Looking back, this make sense. But if this is not a plan, then I do not know any reason to start out with CC.</p>
<p>MiamiDAP, any “anger” you are picking up is not felt here; sorry. I’m usually amused by posts here. </p>
<p>Yes, you’ve made it very clear that you don’t understand solutions different from your own/your D’s, as you’ve said so often.</p>