The blue square campaign against antisemitism: do you think it will do any good?

A reminder that political discussion belongs in the political forum only

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Interesting. The Atlantic used to allow five free articles/month. I just researched whether this is still the case. apparently, they now use a “dynamic pricing model,” where, depending on who you are, you may or may not hit a paywall. Here’s what they say:

So I guess you @jym626 are a likely subscriber.

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I hit the paywall, too. I tried reading it through alternate sites, but I eventually hit the paywall. I need to figure out how to read articles through my library’s electronic services.

I was able to read the article using the link you posted! It’s an excellent article and there’s a lot to think about.

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Well they are incorrect :slight_smile:

The MSN link worked for me.

“The study’s most disturbing finding was that even among those who studied the Holocaust, there was “a very common struggle among many students to credibly explain why Jews were targeted” in the Holocaust—that is, to cite anti-Semitism.”

I don’t understand how this is such a shock, and why it took an academic study to realize it. I expressed this same sentiment in a similar thread a long time ago, that Holocaust education never answers “why”, drawing on my own education from the 1980’s.

I also mentioned that Holocaust education isn’t necessary for preventing another occurrence, and the author seems to have reached the same conclusion.

I’m pretty sure they don’t like Soros because of his politics and whom he backs, not because he is Jewish. If your argument is against behavior or character, that isn’t bigotry. It’s when you question or doubt someone (or presume a trait) due to a demographic factor – that’s bigotry.

Most Republicans are pro-military, pro-US, and pro-Israel as a result. Also, Jesus was a jew, and most Repubs are Christians. I hear a lot more actual anti-Israel sentiment coming from the other side of the aisle.

But Repub and Dem are such big tents – almost nothing surprises me. But in the main, most Repubs support Israel. (a notable exception may be the Libertarian wing, but they are generally isolationists who don’t want us getting involved anywhere overseas
 not necessarily anti-Israel or against Jewish people
)

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Does there need to be a “why” when talking about something that makes no sense to those who consider all people deserving of being treated with dignity and respect? I don’t care about the why, but I absolutely care about the “how.” How on earth could such a thing be planned and carried out? When good people do nothing, bad things are allowed to happen.

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Wrong thread. Sorry.

ETA: I finally saw one ad while watching local news at 10 pm. Well done. I would have made the smaller square grow into the larger square for a more dramatic effect. Also, I feel like it was a waste of $$ using the channel predominantly watched by folks like us (older, well aware of the issue, have Jewish friends and relatives, etc.) to promote the message.

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Why It Matters That Support for Israel Among Young Evangelicals Is Falling - The Bulwark describes some of the theological and political reasons for evangelical support for Israel (at least for those whom “evangelical” has a religious meaning beyond the political one that the term is most commonly used for these days).

But note that pro-Israel, or pro-right-wing-politicians-and-parties-in-Israel, is not necessarily the same as being friendly to Jewish people. Someone who does not like Jewish people as their neighbors in the US may not mind Jewish people in Israel, especially if they see Israel (particularly under right-wing governments like the current one) as fighting against people they like even less and feel threatened by even when they are outside of the US (Muslim and Arab people).

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But there are many Soros tropes that trade on his Judaism in an obviously anti-Semitic way.

Frankly, the Soros hysteria and scapegoating is as nutty as the obsession with HRC.

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Sorry for the late response. On holiday in Asia. But no, I haven’t walked into a synagogue with armed security or gone to a foreign county where they tell you not to identify your religion. I probably wouldn’t volunteer that I was Jewish if I was in Iran or Pakistan, but I might. My guess is people in those countries have problems with Israel, not Judaism. I know first-generation immigrants from both those countries, and they’re probably nicer than most Americans.

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My synagogue-- in a perfectly lovely town in the good old USA has armed security. Years ago I remember being in Rome and Amsterdam and being shocked to see weapons outside a synagogue-- and yet, here we are. A security guard was shot dead at a bat mitzvah in Copenhagen at the main synagogue in the city in 2015 and two police officers were wounded.

The break in my community seems to be by age. Older congregants think the security is over the top. Younger congregants think that after Poway and Pittsburgh we’d be idiots not to have security. Local law enforcement- and the regional FBI team-- agree with the younger congregants and are the reason why we’ve conducted drills and installed panic buttons and have evacuation or “shelter in place” plans.

I have no doubt that immigrants from Pakistan and Iran are “nice”. But the last incident in my community was a “nice” guy- born and bred American-- with an arsenal of weapons in the trunk of his car parked outside a Jewish nursery school. With a few years of Neo-Nazi posts on various deep website.

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Immigrants are not necessarily representative of the attitudes (or other aspects) of the government or people living in their country of origin. Indeed, many left their country of origin because they did not like how things like the government or prevailing attitudes are or were when they left.

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Just curious. How do you know that “nice” guy was really nice and that he wasn’t openly displaying his anti-Semitism beforehand? My guess is there were plenty of clues seen by the people around him.

I really would love to know what percentage of synagogues have armed guards. I have no clue, but I certainly haven’t been seeing it.

Of course he wasn’t “nice”. I’m just pointing out that he was a regular guy, no police record, not on anyone’s radar as part of an organized Aryan Nation type of deal.

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At my child’s college, Students for Justice in Palestine waved an image of a burning Israeli flag yesterday to mark Yom HaShoah.

During large events we have an armed guard.

That’s horrific. Which college is this if I may ask?

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