<p>Dontno I do not quote what you say bc I don’t know how to embed quotes so I will do the best I can.</p>
<p>You: “You don’t actually believe intelligence is not genetic??!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?! African immigrants are the smartest in their country and their kids inherit that intelligence so their success is representative of a biased sample.”</p>
<p>Me: Again you are conflating immigrants and thier children. African immigrants may be smart, but there children are the ones who take the SAT and attend college and these are ppl who are either born here or were raised in the US thier entire lives. They do not represent the cream of the crop for Africa they are regular Americans. You have provided no evidence that intelligence is genetic, but i will show the contrapositive to be true.</p>
<p>[The</a> Science Creative Quarterly THE GENETIC BASIS OF INTELLIGENCE](<a href=“http://www.scq.ubc.ca/the-genetic-basis-of-intelligence/]The”>THE GENETIC BASIS OF INTELLIGENCE | SCQ)</p>
<p>The link speaks to the fact that intelligence is consisent of genetic and environmental impact. From that standpoint that would mean white ppl’s genes are not the sole determiner of there intelligence but also there environment, this therefore is where the dichotomy can be attributed.</p>
<p>This presents the closing of the gap v genetic intelligence:</p>
<p>[Closing</a> the Black/White IQ Gap?: James Flynn and Charles Murray search for a solution. - Reason Magazine](<a href=“http://www.reason.com/news/show/116991.html]Closing”>Closing the Black/White IQ Gap?)</p>
<p>"In Jewish households there is a lot of screaming, but eventually the kids sit down and do their homework. In black families, a kid sits down to do his homework and Dad comes home and says, “Hey, why don’t we go out back and shoot a couple of baskets.”
Personally I cannot recount the numerous times such instances have occurred to myself. I would be working on homework, or sicence research, or praticing trumpet, to have it interupted to clean up. There are environmental factors that are impacting IQ results to deny that is ingnorance. </p>
<p>You: Yes that’s it, just culture. That’s why Jews have won about 30% of NObel prizes in science (while being 2% of the world’s population) despite not being let into top European universities and being the poorest groups in every European country (this is early 19th century).</p>
<p>Me: If you know anything about Jewish culture or Chinese culture or even Indian culture you would know that these groups consider education as of prime importance. Examples: Jews used education as a means to be succesful bc they had to work hard in order to overcome the discrimination in every country they encountered. From Spain to Georgia to America Jewish ppl rose to the top. Chinese ppl work on a very meritocratic society that causes them to preform well or fail, there is no hand holding. The Chinese of today are the products of parents who made it through that system and thier children undoubtly will also work hard. Indians preform well bc in Hinduism (according to my bio teacher who is Hindu) there are two levels of veneration: parents and then teachers. Education is ingrained within each of these cultures. All this points to the fact that environment is contributing to the high preformance of these groups.</p>
<p>You: “Look at the most of the bottom IQ averages. Mos tof them are African countries. Blacks in Ameircan have an IQ average of around 85 while whites are around 100. And not all black (or white) ethnicities have the same average intelligence. Even amongst Jews, the Ashkenazi (like Einstein and Feynman) have way higher IQ’s then Sephardic Jews (in fact, almost every famous Jewish scientist or intellectual is .)”</p>
<p>Me: I have two responses:
- From right above this you quote a link that correlates the wealth of a nation to Intelligence, yet then ignore the fact that many African countries are impoverished. This amounts to a contradiction if wealth (which is a non-genetic factor) can be correlated to intelligence then it shows that there are obvious other factors that impact IQ.
- The dichotomy presented between Jewish ppl is erroneous bc Jews were often isolated from other populations and did not reproduce with non jews:
“the Ashkenazim were a reproductively isolated population in Europe, despite living in many countries, with little inflow or outflow from migration, conversion, or intermarriage with other groups, including other Jews.”
Since Jews orginated from the same place, thier genetics would be similar, what this represents is evidence for what i have been saying that environment is influences intelligence follow this:</p>
<p>The two groups of Jews migrated from a similar location bearing the same genetic makeup. One group the Sephardic entered into a socitey that in the 700s became dominated by Islam, which allowed them opportunites to excel in Islamic court bc they did not have the inherit bias against jews to believe they killed THE LORD. Contrast this to the Ashkenazim who were in German countries who held Christian bias, this bias hindered them from rising to such levels of prominence and inhibited their IQ. From this a gap emerged that still persists today. You yourself say:
“Even amongst Jews, the Ashkenazi (like Einstein and Feynman) have way higher IQ’s then Sephardic Jews (in fact, almost every famous Jewish scientist or intellectual is .)”</p>
<p>What this means is that if Jews placed in two seperate environments with the same genetic makeup experience a dichotomy of intelligence still present to this day based on environmental factors of discrimination that occured hundreds of years ago, it is not unreasonable to see a dichotomy between the intelligence of blacks and whites with discrimination that occured about 40 years ago.</p>