The extraordinary silliness of college GPAs

Although both law schools and med schools tend to weight the test score a little more heavily than GPA. (Berkeley Law in an outlier in prioritizing GPA over LSAT for the obvious reason.)

No doubt, as GPA is only ~half the battle (at least for law schools). MIT kids are really smart and since the LSAT is ‘learnable’, most any of MIT’ers can clear 17x on that test with proper prep. That opens the door to most of the T14, even with a below media GPA. One does not need to be above both law school’s medians for a good chance of admissions. But if an applicant is above both medians, s/he can plan on some serious merit money at those not named HYS (which are need-based only).

It may be too bad but in the last reported cycle 830,016 applications were submitted from 53,042 applicants (an average of 16 applications per applicant) with 21,030 starting at 140+ US med schools. (60%+ failed to start). Med schools have to start somewhere thinning out the crowd as they are simply not staffed to read/weigh out every other aspect (eg ECs) of each med school application. GPAs/MCATs provide an arguably objective way to conclude that an applicant can handle med school academics. It’s not perfect as many others probably could handle the academics and would otherwise be great MDs but get rejected because there are simply not enough seats available.

As to college itself med schools only require a college degree and completion of a school’s premed reqs. (As I understand it should be an academic not vocational degree). Med schools don’t require one to take the hardest courses one’s school offers, pretty much any BA/BS will do from most any college gives you a chance which, in part, means to be competitive, you need a high GPA (and MCAT). After that hurdle is met adcoms can dig further into an application. I don’t think med schools punt on rigor and I’m not saying rigor is of zero importance, but I think rigor consideration comes later in process and may carry more weight in deciding if an applicant should be waitlisted/rejected, or pulled from waitlist.

just to add a little more from a long-time cc poster with LS admissions experience:

http://talk.collegeconfidential.com/discussion/comment/19681114#Comment_19681114

It is the rare Elle Woods who has a fashion merchandising degree AND a 173 on the LSAT.

In fact, other than in fiction- do these cases actually exist in the T14?

Elle Woods went to UCLA(CULA I think in the movie) . There are a lot of non traditional kids in LA

^^ :smiley:

btw: blossom, a couple of years ago, there was 17x from a small town in Techsus, who was a criminal justice major; 4.0 obtained at his local, tiny Christian college that had a 100% acceptance rate. Accepted (easily) to HLS, (but I doubt that he had the fashion sense/style of Elle W).

My recollection is that Elle Woods had a 178 on the LSAT.

In real life, neither UCLA nor CSULA offers a fashion merchandising major.

http://mentalfloss.com/article/66044/15-snappy-facts-about-legally-blonde says that the book used USC undergraduate (which also does not offer a fashion merchandising major) and Stanford law, but neither school wanted to be associated with the movie.

^^ imo Havard Law is a better fit for the movie… sounds preppier lol.

For you trivia buffs, although set at Harvard, a lot of LB was filmed at USC and UCLA, with some at Cal Tech (using the pond thing there), and around Pasadena. Cal Tech still loves to reference this on their tours, I think it makes them feel a little hip.