<p>Did you know that even though a minority may have an opinion, it still counts? Just because it is minority in no way makes in illegitimate. </p>
<p>Actually, there is no opinion that is “illegitimate” and if there <em>were</em>, you would hardly be the one to decide if it is legitimate or not.</p>
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<p>Eh, you quote everything I say and come up with some opinionated speech on it that doesn’t have really any logical basis. </p>
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<p>It’s not insulting people that irritates me, its ignorance.</p>
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<p>No one cares about you though.</p>
<p>I’ll leave you two to be ignorant together.</p>
<p>Just because you predict that something will happen doesn’t mean that your entire argument is right. You wave the word “predict” around as though it actually means something.</p>
<p>I predict that it will rain tomorrow in my area, and I haven’t even seen the weather forecast. If tomorrow comes and it rains I won’t yell to the sky, “Aha! I KNEW you would do that! I’m so right!”</p>
<p>If your prediction means anything, it merely means that I’m consistent in my style of posting.</p>
<p>If you brought those examples that you say prove your point merely to bait me into knocking your examples down, then all you did was throw me a softball.</p>
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<p>Why yes, that IS the same post that you already linked. And exactly how you took my response to mean that I felt like starting a forum war for no apparent reason is beyond me. You told me to think about why I made that post, and I did, and I posted what I thought. Since my response didn’t serve your whims as much as you thought it would you resorted to drawing a completely separate conclusion in the hopes that it would fool someone.</p>
<p>Or maybe that’s not what you did and you honestly see evil in everything I write.</p>
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<p>I’m pretty sure that now you’re just linking my posts, saying they prove your point (even though the post you link has nothing to do with your point), and hoping that people won’t bother to read the link and that they’ll just take your statements on faith.</p>
<p>The part of my post you quoted says that I’m not trying to disprove the OP’s opinion. My post that you just linked says that the OP can’t expect the entire forum to not reply to his post merely because there are “lots of opinions on the issue.” The ENTIRE second part of the post (which makes up the bulk of its length) is responding to YOU saying that the posts on the first page don’t have “reasons”. I posted every single reason on the first page to show that what you said was inaccurate.</p>
<p>So no, the post that you linked does not “beg to differ” with my statement that I’m not trying to disprove the OP.</p>
<p>Did you know that just because the minority has an opinion doesn’t make it legitimate? Did you know that just because the majority has an opinion doesn’t make it legitimate?</p>
<p>And yes, there are illegitimate opinions…I described them. Examples of illegitimate opinions are ones based on inaccurate information or just made up out of nowhere. And I didn’t say I’m the end-all-be-all decider of whether or not an opinion is legitimate…I said that there’s nothing wrong with me challenging an opinion if I think it is. Society, including myself, should be constantly giving a critical eye to what we ourselves believe. I just kind of help people do that by challenging their beliefs.</p>
<p>By the way, I’ll challenge beliefs that I even agree with if I think the person came to that belief on faulty information.</p>
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<p>Eh, you quote everything I say and come up with some opinionated speech on how opinions are never wrong that doesn’t really have any logical basis.</p>
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<p>Assuming that everyone’s opinion is legitimate and is not to be challenged is much more ignorant than the act of challenging those opinions.</p>
<p>Of course we’ll argue to death over that point because I think that opinions should have reasoning behind them and you think that how someone “feels” is beyond reproach.</p>
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<p>Oh, you speak for everyone now? Sorry, I missed the memo.</p>
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<p>How kind of you. I guess you prefer to be ignorant alone.</p>
<p>I cannot say for sure why I’m still talking to you, considering it is like talking to a 2 year old where no one wins the argument.</p>
<p>If I were Hannibal Lecter, I would deem you as rude because you are not attempting to understand any kind of conclusion or point that I am trying to make. I would then proceed to hunt down and eat you.</p>
<p>If I predict that it will rain on every Tuesday and that happens, then for each successive even my prediction becomes more accurate to truth.</p>
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<p>I’m all for challenging beliefs. Feel free.</p>
<p>This is not challenging a belief</p>
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<p>This is not challenging a belief (just drama?)</p>
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<p>This is not challenging a belief (not sure what the intent was)</p>
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<p>I must add here that a reason for an opinion does not equal reason.</p>
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<p>Having a large amount of people believe in something does not imply that it is correct.</p>
<p>Link everyone’s thoughts on the matter, comparing it to the original poster’s, then tell the original poster that he is wrong. Not very nice.</p>
<p>Except, if the original poster has a unique set of experiences and perspectives on the world, then there is no way that his opinion can be wrong. You have your own unique set of experiences and you form your opinions based on those.</p>
<p>So in effect what you were trying to do is to spread your narrow little view of the world to him like a plague. there’s no logical basis to it at all. He has his experiences and you have yours.</p>
<p>Because you enjoy it. You’re intrigued by the thought that someone can disagree with you so adamantly yet have a rational basis for his disagreement. Because you’ve led your entire life believing one thing and everyone who disagreed with you was just being an idiot, but now you’ve gotten into a discussion with someone who doesn’t just talk out of their ass and you can’t help but keep coming back because you think that if only you can come out on top of this argument against me then that will be the utmost proof that what you’ve been believing all this time is correct.</p>
<p>Actually, that’s just giving you the benefit of the doubt. The real reason is probably closer to the fact that you want to get the last word. Which there’s nothing wrong with. Personally, I keep posting on this thread because when I read your posts I feel compelled to respond, and so I do.</p>
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<p>If I were Hannibal Lecter, I would deem you as rude because you don’t leave room for the idea that what you say could, in fact, be wrong. I would then proceed to hunt you down and eat you.</p>
<p>Oh, but cool tidbit. Neither of us is Hannibal Lecter.</p>
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<p>Hmm, you’d make an interesting judge. “No matter what you say your intention was in giving the child candy, and how many ‘reasons’ you had to do so, underneath you’re just a pedophile.”</p>
<p>Maybe in YOUR way of thinking you can’t criticize someone without personally attacking them. If so, I completely understand why you wouldn’t be able to get past the idea that I have yet to personally attack anyone in this thread. It’s all that you know. If you’d posted those same words that I did you would be intending a personal attack, and so when I post those words that’s the only intention you can see. It’s impossible for you to see good in anything I do, because if you’d done the same thing you would have evil intentions.</p>
<p>Or at least that’s the only reason I can think of for your insistence that I have this secret “personal attack” agenda in my posts. If I wanted to attack the OP I would just do it. I wouldn’t dance around it.</p>
<p>You must be projecting.</p>
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<p>No. If I correctly predict the outcome of a coin flip 10 times in a row, that doesn’t mean that I have special insight into how the coin flip will come out.</p>
<p>But beyond the fact that you were wrong about that, that wasn’t even my point. You were waving around the word “predicted” as though it actually helped prove your argument, even though even if you knew how I was going to respond all it meant is that I’m consistent in my responses, not that you’re right about the rest of the things you said.</p>
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<p>You puzzle me with this statement. Are you saying that the OP doesn’t actually believe his opinion? I’m challenging his belief in his opinion. So yes, I am challenging a belief. It’s not so much his end conclusion that bothers me but rather the information he uses to get there. I’m challenging that information.</p>
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<p>You’re right, the specific statement you quoted was not challenging a belief. Well, it could be if you looked at it one way, but we won’t go there. Instead I was challenging the OP’s position that we weren’t allowed to criticize what he said merely because we can “run a Google search” and find “lots of opinions on the issue”. That was the entire point of my example.</p>
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<p>Umm, yeah, you’re right, another statement that I never even said was intended to challenge a belief. I’d assume you understood the concept that an entire post doesn’t all need to be about exactly the same thing. This particular statement that you quoted me on was pointing out the OP’s foolishness is insulting BMW. So that was the intent, in case you were confused.</p>
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<p>What do you consider a reason again? You basically just said that “A reason (for an opinion) is not a reason.” I realize that some words in the English language have multiple meanings but I wasn’t aware that this was one of those cases.</p>
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<p>At this point in the conversation I’m suspecting that you have memory problems, or that you don’t actually read my posts. Since, you know, lines like…</p>
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<p>…that I post should nip comments like yours in the bud.</p>
<p>If you’d bothered to actually try to understand what I meant instead of scanning for things that you could frame as objectionable, you’d have figured out that I was merely using the “majority opinion” aspect to show that other people have come to the same position as I had therefore showing that my opinion is likely not altogether irrational. Plus, I was only using this “majority opinion” point to support my opinion, not to prove it was correct. I also gave other reasons of the “justifications” for my “opinion”.</p>
<p>You also conveniently cut out that that the comment you quoted was me commenting on my belief in gravity.</p>
<p>You probably couldn’t have picked a worse example of me committing a logical fallacy.</p>
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<p>Again, the memory problems. Me linking every everyone’s thoughts on the matter had everything to do with YOUR claim that no one had a reason for their opinion and NOTHING to do with trying to “prove” the OP wrong. Also, I have yet to say “you’re wrong” to the OP. I’ve only challenged the foundations of his opinion. Like I said before, even if I agree with the opinion of someone else, I’ll still challenge them if I think they came to the opinion on a faulty foundation.</p>
<p>So no, maybe it wasn’t “nice”, but it wasn’t “mean” either.</p>
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<p>Again, if his opinion is based on his “unique set of experiences” that provide him faulty information on which to base his opinion, yes, it can be wrong. Heck, my opinion can be wrong too, and it would be someone else’s duty to point that out to me if they had reasoning that conflicted with mine.</p>
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<p>Actually, I prefer to think of my view of the world as a wonderful rainbow of joy rather than a plague. But hey, we all have our opinions, right?</p>
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<p>In the immortal words of the guy you’re praising:</p>
<p>I think it’s because I have nothing better to do. I should have left long ago because I tend to become addicted to things.</p>
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<p>No, but maybe I want to eat your insides.</p>
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<p>That’s interesting. I think I would make a good judge too.</p>
<p>I find it funny that you say you did not intend a personal attack. You’re only criticizing him for him posting on the forum, something that is far and away from the issue that he was hoping to discuss.</p>
<p>No, it is not a fact that you were attacking him. Actually there is no way I can prove it. </p>
<p>But from my own personal experiences that is where I draw my opinion.</p>
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<p>No, but you see it did prove my argument. </p>
<p>Not only did I predict that you would scrutinize my opinion but I predicted what I would do…dismiss that scrutinizing.</p>
<p>My action, while not measurable, is ultimately what I wanted to spotlight. And the funny part is you cannot measure it. You can ask me “hey, why did you dismiss those scrutinizing comments?”</p>
<p>And I will reply “Ohhh well basically I believe what I believe in. There are many people who will go against you, pointing out the flaws in your opinions. But those people are ■■■■■■■■ and I don’t worry about them. Because I already know about those flaws and I still hold true to my opinion.”</p>
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<p>What?? I puzzle you? I’ll make it clearer then.</p>
<p>You are not challenging his belief.</p>
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<p>I don’t know, what were we talking about again?</p>
<p>Basically, you gave a reason for which you believe in your opinion. That reason has no bearing on the “correctness” of the issue at hand. It does not justify your opinion, it supports your opinion.</p>
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<p>I think I do have short term memory problems, no joke.</p>
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<p>Oh, Ok, yea sorry about that then man.</p>
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<p>Out of this entire the thread, the only time you have challenged his opinion is on the very first page. Challenge this belief please.</p>
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<p>How can you have “faulty” life experiences?</p>
<p>How can an opinion on someone’s own experience, in their own reality, be wrong?</p>
<p>That baffles me.</p>
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<p>Please keep your rainbow of joy to yourself.</p>
<p>You know what: I haven’t really enjoyed some of the experiences that I have had in the 4.5 years I have been in College either.</p>
<p>I’m 22 now and I as a Freshman I was a Pre-Med Student with a Freshman Year GPA of over 3.9.</p>
<p>Who exactly made up the unwritten rule that College is SUPPOSE to be the place in which you are young restless so you should pursue counter intellectual pursuits in favor of exploring the joyfulness of youth? And why exactly do almost all of these pursuits correlate with alcohol and drug consumption in the youth of today’s society?</p>
<p>Maybe it is in the limitation of my own personality(I’m INTJ according to the Meyer Briggs) to completely understand why so many young people feel that it is absolutely necessary to do this. Maybe it is the fact that most people would say that I have high personal morals: I don’t drink alcohol, I regularly exercise, I tell people exactly what I think of their social activities, among a much longer list.</p>
<p>But heck: If I am going to have “fun” and go crazy it is going to be after I am successful; surely not on the road to it. And I am not going to use drugs or alcohol to put my mind in a state of perpetual bliss.</p>
<p>What I don’t understand is that why so many young people have been given a golden opportunity to learn and instead they waste their time on pursuits that are counter-productive to achieving mental stimulation or satisfaction. I bet that many of these people just don’t understand how lucky they are to be able to go to College. </p>
<p>If this article on Wikipedia is even close to correct:
Class</p>
<p>Capitalist class (1%)
Top-level executives, high-rung politicians, heirs. Ivy League education common.</p>
<p>Upper middle class(15%)
Highly educated (often with graduate degrees), most commonly salaried, professionals and middle management with large work autonomy.</p>
<p>Lower middle class (30%)
Semi-professionals and craftsmen with a roughly average standard of living. Most have some college education and are white collar.</p>
<p>Working class (30%)
Clerical and most blue collar workers whose work is highly routinized. Standard of living varies depending on number of income earners, but is commonly just adequate. High school education.
Working poor (13%)
Service, low-rung clerical and some blue collar workers. High economic insecurity and risk of poverty. Some high school education.</p>
<p>Underclass (12%)</p>
<p>Those with limited or no participation in the labor force. Reliant on government transfers. Some high school education.</p>
<p>Assuming that this list is correct: I am estimating that only around 30%(?) of the general population can even afford to go to College.(I don’t know the exact numbers. I am just making an estimate).</p>
<p>It seems a shame to me that a member of the other 70% who cannot afford to go to College and is working 50-60 hours a week at near minimum wage just to survive is getting replaced by a lazy/unmotivated student in College who is just going to fool around on their parents dime for the next five years.</p>
<p>what if everyone stopped caring about what other people did and just did their own thing?there’s bound to be someone else out there saying “you’re doing it wrong; this is how i do it and it is right.” just ignore them and do what you think you should do, whether it’s keeping a healthy balance between school and partying or doing strictly one of the two. you fail out? not my problem. no friends? not my problem. go do something about it.</p>
<p>Lol @ Axion. Judging by your posts, I’d say it’s very likely you can’t have fun. You gotta let go of those inhibitions, man. You know the saying, “You’re only young once.” It’s true, and I bet you’ll regret wasting your youth away so conservatively. Your kids might thank you, though you’ll probably do well for them no matter what.</p>
<p>For most people, only a fraction (if that) of what you learn in the classroom is actually applied in the real world. The most beneficial lessons that I use on a day to day basis in the post-graduate world are those learned outside the class room that I acquired mostly from extra-curricular activities and hanging out with such a wide variety of friends. Yes my GPA was mostly responsible for landing me my first job, but it is the latter lessons that have enabled me to keep and excel in the work place.</p>
<p>If you want to go and enjoy the freedom of youth: Go right ahead, I don’t see anything wrong with it and you should do whatever you want to do.</p>
<p>My biggest regret would be dieing and knowing that I contributed nothing to help or assist anything on Planet Earth. To me, this would be the biggest failure that I could ever commit in life.</p>
<p>If I want to go to College and study, work, and maybe not have as much “fun” as everyone else this is perfectly satisfying to me. In fact, going to school and doing my homework is what I consider fun(Maybe I am just weird? I don’t know).</p>
<p>If you are doing something just because someone else told you to do something then you have it all wrong.</p>
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<p>The Follower will always listen to what other people have to say. Most of the leaders are just too damn arrogant :).</p>
Yeah, well, I’m sure you’re bound to do that, whether you give up your youth or not. So now that you have that regret out of the way, maybe next on the list is missing out on being socially healthy and happy and having fun when you had the chance?</p>
<p>Maybe the solution is to get a girlfriend that is sociable? This would be a 100% fail-proof method…but first I have to work out the whole hitting on girls ><.</p>
<p>I’m not so sure I am “bound to do” anything. I constantly self-doubt my own abilities.</p>
<p>Arguing on this forum really isn’t going to change me. I am just too stubborn.</p>