The Fury of the Muslim World-Mohammed Cariacatures

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<p>nbachris2788: I could not agree more with your statement: "Why should they have to take responsibility for the actions of a few extremists?" And that is why the 1.1 billion Catholics do not have to answer for less than one hundred priests (remember there are millions of Catholic priests in the world). Unlike in Islam, no Catholic has ever come out in support of the abusive priests' actions. Every Catholic priest, bishop, cardinal and the pope have all condemned these injustices against young boys, girls and abortion clinics. All priests that have been involved in sexual misconduct cases and in bombing attacks have been or will be defrocked.</p>

<p>On the other hand, Muslim clerics that are supporting terrorist attacks have never been removed and prevented from preaching in their mosques. </p>

<p>In addition, it's interesting that nbachris2788 and mahras2 always refer back to the inquisition, Holocaust or other blackspots in Christian history considering that the previous and the present popes have all condemned these attrocities against humanity and have even apologized for them. Now that takes a real person to apologize for actions that he was not involved in. I only wish that the Muslim community would grow some balls and follow suit.</p>

<p>What's this with always saying that MUSLIM terrorists are not Muslim. If it takes a sinless person to be a Muslim then there really are no Muslims in the present nor in the past (Muhammed was a murderer).
And that's part of the problem because liberal (even the moderates are terrorists) Muslims keep trying to disassociate themselves from the terrorists instead of trying to solve the actual problem.</p>

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<p>The cartoons were offensive to the muslims, and they have the right to be. it was wrong of them to burn buildings and many muslims at the scene tried to stop it but in vain. in a few weeks life will go back to normal and the boycott will end, but worldwide violence will always remain and there is no such thing as everyone gwtting along... so get used to it.</p>

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<p>So long as Muslims perpetrate violence, good-natured humans , like myself, will condemn their acts of violence.</p>

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<p>I visited college confidential to meet very intelligent people and engage in discussion with them, but after visiting this thread, I feel CC has its share of illiterate hobos.</p>

<p>First lemme clear some misconceptions:</p>

<p>As a student who took courses on Islamic history at Oxford for two summer, I know my share of Islamic history. It is apparent that everkingly and neverborn failed their world history class if they believe what they posted is true. Here are some facts.</p>

<p>1.) If you ask ANY scholar of history, they will tell you that Muhammad was not a muderer/terrorist etc. What he did was in defense. He was continuosly being attacked because he was hampering the economic situation of the pagan priests during his time. key word: DEFENSE, and all scholars of history agree. I dare you to prove me wrong. </p>

<p>2.) Islam grew rapidly after Muhammad's death. The Arabs started and empire and there were numerous conversions. If you think the conversions were FORCED, then you are horribly mistaken. Under the Ummayid Caliphate, the Arabs DID NOT want non Arabs to become Muslim. And under the Abbasid Caliphate, all conversions were VOLUNTARY. This was the case in Africa, Jews, and especially India thanks to the Suffist movement.</p>

<p>3.) Did you know that there was religious tolerance under these empires? Unlike the Jews being slaughted for the Bubonic Plage and so on in Europe, the Jews in the ME were quite safe, and they were very influential and powerful entrepreneurs. CHRISTIANS killed more JEWS in the CRUSADES than the MUSLIMS.</p>

<p>I hope that all confusion is cleared. Now lets come to the present:</p>

<p>1.) I agree that the Muslim World overreacted to the cartoons. But you must feel how they felt to, since the Western world has no clue the importance of Muhammad in the life of a Muslim. But I DO AGREE that the violence was uncalled for. An apology could have ended all this real fast. Did you ever wonder WHY they printed those pictures?</p>

<p>2.) Only ILLITERATE people fail to distinguish between a Muslim and a terrorist. Most terrorists are Muslim, but most Muslims are NOT terrorists. And they are not savages either :)</p>

<p>3.) If you ever want peace, try to show respect for other people's culture. America has a huge problem with a superiority complex. I do applaud attempts to establish democracy there, but there is no need to religion bashing. Every nation has problems, no need to ***** about a religion just because it might take over Christianity.</p>

<p>4.) I agree that Hamas must be replaced. I also agree that Sharion must be replaced. The situation is at a stalemate and nothing is going to happen unless a bold leader steps up to the plate to make a reasonable compromise.</p>

<p>Note: I am not Muslim, but I am Christian. However, I tend to support FACTS and go with the truth. Biggotry is a sign of foolishness. Try to do your share of research, guys. I think I lost IQ points reading some of these posts. Please, debate with facts, it makes you people smarter :)</p>

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So long as Muslims perpetrate violence, good-natured humans , like myself, will condemn their acts of violence.

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<p>Lemme rephrase this:
So long as CHRISTIANS perpetrate violence, good-natured humans , like myself, will condemn their acts of violence.</p>

<p>It goes both ways.</p>

<p>everkingly, I can bet my money that you are a high school dropout posting on CC 24/7 with a mission to defame Islam. Try to do something more productive, like RESEARCH. Maybe you will learn FACTS so you longer have to sound stupid with your wild accusations.</p>

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<p>First of all, I am not an illiterate hobbo as you have called me. I'll use facts once you learn to spell! Who is Sharion? It's Ariel SHARON. In addition, I happen to be valedictorian at my high school and currently plan to attend Princeton (I'm still debating between Harvard, Princeton and Northwestern). I never failed a history course so learn your facts you ILLITERATE HOBBO when you make such ridiculous claims.</p>

<p>It's funny that you only refer to neverborn and myself when you complain about the comments on this thread. Have you read the enitre thread by the way? Why don't you look at nbachris2788's comments about the Catholic Church?</p>

<p>Now to answer your comments. I agree that most Muslims are not terrorists but I am not so sure that most Muslims do condemn the terrorist attacks on 9/11 and the violent protests in the Muslim world (It's kind of difficult when you see hundreds of thousands of Muslims parading on the streets of Palestine and elsewhere in the Arab world following the darkest day in America's history).</p>

<p>Everyone points to brief moments (even a century is brief when you refer to religions) in the history of Islam during the Golden Age in Spain and the Ummayid and Abbasid caliphates. Let us remember that even these caliphates rarely controlled even a quarter of the Arab world. You always write about the glorious moments of Islam and the barbaric times of Christianity. Why don't you ever allude to the Muslim massacres of Armenians and Serbians, in which Millions perished, during the time of the Ottoman Empire and following its demise? Why don't you ever talk about the great late Renaissance governments that (for the most part) granted religious tolerance to the masses? Religious tolerance has been generally accepted for the past four-hundred years in Europe. </p>

<p>P.S. Illiterate means that I can not read which would be extremely difficult considering that I am writing all of these brilliant posts. Maybe I am just that good! Maybe you meant ignorant. Why don't you look at a dictionary every once in a while you idiot.</p>

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<p>Also, I consider even violence in defense to be murder. Murder is the intentional killing of a person and Muhammed is guilty of murder. Jesus Christ also faced persecution but did our Lord ever turn to violence. NO! He perished on the cross rather than lift one finger against his murderers.</p>

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<p>I guess you lost your bet. Now pay up!</p>

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First of all, I am not an illiterate hobbo as you have called me. I'll use facts once you learn to spell! Who is Sharion? It's Ariel SHARON. In addition, I happen to be valedictorian at my high school and currently plan to attend Princeton (I'm still debating between Harvard, Princeton and Northwestern). I never failed a history course so learn your facts you ILLITERATE HOBBO when you make such ridiculous claims.

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<p>I am not here to brag, but I am also a val applying to Princeton. No big deal. And yes, I spelled Sharon wrong: its Sharon not Sharion. Go cry me a river lol.</p>

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It's funny that you only refer to neverborn and myself when you complain about the comments on this thread. Have you read the enitre thread by the way? Why don't you look at nbachris2788's comments about the Catholic Church?

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<p>Neverborn claimed Muslims are savages. You claimed Muhammad was a terrorist. That proves that you are indeed uneducated. What nbachris posted was actually true, its not utter bs spewed out of your mouth.</p>

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Why don't you ever allude to the Muslim massacres of Armenians and Serbians, in which Millions perished, during the time of the Ottoman Empire and following its demise?

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<p>Why dont you allude to the massacres of Jews during Bubonic palgue, Holocaust and those numerous events by Christians? Christians killed more Jews in history than Muslims. Remember that.</p>

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Illiterate means that I can not read which would be extremely difficult considering that I am writing all of these brilliant posts. Maybe I am just that good! Maybe you meant ignorant. Why don't you look at a dictionary every once in a while you idiot.

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<p>1.) Your posts are the opposite of "brilliant." They are O'Reilley material.
2.) Just claiming I am an idiot wont do. You PROVED that you are an idiot and there is no need for me to humiliate you by referring back to your retarded posts.</p>

<p>I dont mean to offend you, but for the sake knowing the facts, go read a history book and then come back to debate.</p>

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<p>Have you actually read the entire thread including all of my comments? I concede that some are offensive but the grand majority do point to valid facts and true moments in history. I only resorted to offensive language in my most recent post after you called me a hobbo and illiterate. I take insults against my intelligence very seriously.</p>

<p>Nbachris2788 even called his local priest (who I bet he does not even know) the devil himself. Do you actually believe that?</p>

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Also, I consider even violence in defense to be murder. Murder is the intentional killing of a person and Muhammed is guilty of murder. Jesus Christ also faced persecution but did our Lord ever turn to violence. NO! He perished on the cross rather than lift one finger against his murderers.

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<p>LMAO. Thanks for the laughs. Jesus didnt have CHANCE IN HELL to fight the Romans. You desperately need to learn some history. People like you unaware of reality and mocking other cultures wont survive in the real world.</p>

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<p>Also, I am not a bragger either and I only resorted to bragging after you said that I am a high school drop out when you have no clue as to my intellectual abilities. We are all far more intelligent than the typical high school dropout. So let's not resort to name-calling. Truce?</p>

<p>P.S. Don't compare me to Bill O'Reilley.</p>

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I only resorted to offensive language in my most recent post after you called me a hobbo and illiterate. I take insults against my intelligence very seriously.

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<p>I doubt you have any form of intelligence. IF you are val of your school, I have to believe that the overwhelming majority of students in your high school are academically weak.</p>

<p>nbachis can say whatever he wants, its Freedom of Speech. Its something that makes America great and is desperately needed in the Middle East.</p>

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I consider even violence in defense to be murder. Murder is the intentional killing of a person and Muhammed is guilty of murder.

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<p>So, in that case, the IDF are murderers. American troops in Iraq and Afghanistan are murderers as well, based on that reasoning, right? HAHAHA.</p>

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<p>Again with the intellectual insults. Give it a rest! Yes, Jesus Christ would never have survived in a revolt against the Romans. Also, remember that at that time the grand majority of Jews were starting to question Roman rule and some Jewish factions were already starting to rebel. It is highly possible even probable that Jesus Christ might have been able to organize these efforts in a unified stance against the Romans. Israel was already a thorn in the Caesar's side and a revolt might have led him to call back his troops from Israel. Israel was an economic wasteland compared with other provinces in the great Roman Empire.</p>

<p>How am I mocking other cultures? By making a true statement. Muhammed did indeed commit murders. No one can counter that claim</p>

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<p>Answer my question, dont dodge. </p>

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<p>Yes, the American troops in Iraq are committing murder and no one can counter that claim. Now, people can reasonably argue that certain types of murders are justified. I won't because I don't believe any murderous action is justified.</p>

<p>It's FUNNY how you first justify nbachris2788's comments about the Catholic Church and then when your reasoning doesn't hold you back track and call upon the much used freedom of speech approach. If nbachris2788 can make ludicrous comments and not get criticized then why can't I? Is it because he's Muslim representing a minority and I am Christian representing the majority? The Danish newspapers published the Muhammed cartoons in order to test the bounds of freedom of speech. Up until that point the European media had refrained from making objective comments about Muslim extremism out of fear of angering a relatively small minority. For example, most European newspapers ridicule the Catholic Church's stance on contraception, abortion, women's rights, family rights, and gay rights but hardly criticize Islam for its similar stances on such issues (I'm not too sure on the position of Muslims on contraception, Can anyone elaborate?).</p>

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<p>Finally, no more name-calling. Thanks, I was really getting tired of the academic insults.</p>

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<p>By the way, I wasn't trying to dodge your question. I was busy typing a response to your previous comments.</p>

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<p>I have never watched O'Reilley's show or read any of his articles. Why do so many hate his work? Is it really biased? I know he is a staunch conservative but other than that I am oblivious to him.</p>

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<p>Actually, I attend one of the best high schools in the Midwest. Most of the student body excels at standardized tests. </p>

<p>Do you really believe that my advanced use of intricate language is an indication of stupidity? If so, I wonder exactly what is intelligent in your eyes? Is it the support of the "respect of all cultures" sentiment you expressed earlier. If you have read all of my comments then you would have noticed that I am overwhelming respectful of Muslims. I do not call Muslims savages or backwards people. I simply questioned the claim that Muhammed is all that peace-loving and countered the claim that most Muslims in the Arab world are against terrorism and for freedom of religion. Because if they were, they would not have elected or supported Hamas or Ahmadinejad or any of the other violent and despotic regimes currently in power in the Middle East.</p>