<p>With all these talks of outsourcing, is it still worth getting a bachelor's in computer science?</p>
<p>Did u know in the past 8 years, people majoring in CS has dropped by 60% due to the same concerns you are having. The number of jobs that get outsourced is quite minimal, does it exist yes it does. But since there is not to many people majoring in CS anymore you need to know that there are just to many jobs and not enough students to fill them. Ive talked to alot of employers are career fairs and all of them would rather hire an American born programmer compared to a international one due to usually visa issues, it just costs them less to hire American. As for sending the jobs over sees, yeah it happens, but you need to remember that some of the biggest organizations that hire CS majors are American and need to only hire American born students due to security concerns. Some organizations are Lockheed Martin, Boeing and the NSA. CS majors are so scares there are programs by the NSA that they will pay for you graduate school and guarantee you a job.</p>
<p>Im a CS/EE student and think its a great time.</p>
<p>ditto ^^^^^</p>
<p>you're right. a CS engineer is even better.</p>
<p>i was talking with someone from the CIA and they said they could guarentee me an internship sophomore year since CS is HIGHLY sought after</p>
<p>Thanks UB-Vinny77 for the lengthy reply..truly appreciate it. Are you double majoring? Should I double major in Business Admin/Economics or minor in that? I hear having some economics background helps put computer engineers in better standing, no?</p>
<p>Im actually a freshman in CS and I'm waiting for the NSA to call me for my phone interview :P. CS should be ok, especially if your not just going to try to get through school with a 2.0...</p>
<p>In a survey among CIOs conducted by Robert Half Technology, skills becoming most sought after for their future IT hiring are business skills... thus, the best major may be BIS/MIS. Just a thought.</p>
<p>What is a BIS..MIS? not comp. sci?</p>
<p>It's related more to the business side of systems. You do learn some of the programming languages like Java, C#, etc., but you aren't as in depth with algorithms and creating programming from scratch. You would learn more the essential knowledge to understand system structure, security, and capability limitations, and then combine that with management and business understanding to gain a better understanding of how to integrate IT systems with business using limited resources (deadlines, budgets, etc.). It's probably a more valuable degree in the long run.</p>
<p>Or you could get a CS degree and then get a MBA in MIS and you will dominate the job market. Like I plan to.</p>
<p>Undergrad business degree's are worth nothing, all of that can be done during an MBA, in 2 years instead of 4.</p>
<p>the technical services manager at my employer did just that, but he's a social reject (I know it's anecdotal). I think an undergraduate degree in BIS will give a student the healthful balance of social skills along with technical knowledge that is essential to be successful in business. I'm doing an accounting undergrad, work in the IT field, and plan on doing a BIS/MAcc degree to qualify for the CPA exam, and give myself options in IT. I think it may be dominating when I'm done. The most dominating business professional starts and ends with seven letters: CPA-CITP.</p>
<p>sorry, I only know 3 of those 7....CITP?</p>
<p>Certified Information Technology Professional--It requires passing the CPA exam, then having enough experience in IT, with certifications like MCSE, CITA, etc., or passing a rigorous exam in lieu of experience/certs to attain.</p>
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the technical services manager at my employer did just that, but he's a social reject (I know it's anecdotal). I think an undergraduate degree in BIS will give a student the healthful balance of social skills along with technical knowledge that is essential to be successful in business. I'm doing an accounting undergrad, work in the IT field, and plan on doing a BIS/MAcc degree to qualify for the CPA exam, and give myself options in IT. I think it may be dominating when I'm done. The most dominating business professional starts and ends with seven letters: CPA-CITP.
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Yes. Because accountants are known to have great social skills? Please, can we keep the stereotyping to a minimum?</p>
<p>I guess you don't know what anecdotal means? Oh well! :)</p>
<p>thanks for clearing that up, 311</p>
<p>If you guys haven't noticed guys who truly do IT, don't go to school and sure as hell don't get CERTS, I have about 8 years of actual IT experience with various companies in NY. Its 100% about experience these days.</p>
<p>I really don't see how CPA-CITP would be Good for IT, having such things doesn't allow you to do IT work, IT just says "hey Look at Me I can Read a BOOK"</p>
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<p>Depends on the undergrad school in question. Last time I checked, Wharton, Sloan, and Haas undergrads were doing quite well for themselves.</p>
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If you guys haven't noticed guys who truly do IT, don't go to school and sure as hell don't get CERTS, I have about 8 years of actual IT experience with various companies in NY. Its 100% about experience these days.
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<p>Well, I think that's too strong. Experience is important, obviously, but it isn't everything. Certs and education all play a role. </p>
<p>Consider this Fortune article regarding the hiring practices at Google.</p>
<p>"For the most part, it takes a degree from an Ivy League school, or MIT, Stanford, CalTech, or Carnegie Mellon--America's top engineering schools--even to get invited to interview. Brin and Page still keep a hand in all the hiring, from executives to administrative assistants. And to them, work experience counts far less than where you went to school, how you did on your SATs, and your grade-point average. "If you've been at Cisco for 20 years, they don't want you," says an employee. "</p>
<p>This is true even with the Google IT department. Franky, it's difficult to even get an interview for an IT position at Google if you don't hold a degree from a premier school. Many of the IT people at Google are Stanford and MIT graduates.</p>
<p>As Google gets bigger it becomes progressively harder to stay elite. Hell, they hire from my school.....and it's certainly not at a similar stature of the previous schools.</p>