<p>IBclass, the state legislators know full well that Michigan is an elite university and it must stay competitive with other elite (mostly private) universities by admitting more OOS students than the other 15 or so public universities. University of Michigan demonstrated that they don’t need their money.</p>
<p>Dstark,</p>
<p>When I see a comparison like the following</p>
<p>SAT 25/75 range</p>
<p>1800-2080 College A
1810-2130 College B</p>
<p>I am inclined to say that the two are virtually identical in strength. </p>
<p>If I add a third or fourth college, I’d probably draw sharper contrasts with them. What do you think about A and B? What do you think about A, B, C, D?</p>
<p>1800-2080 College A
1810-2130 College B</p>
<p>1910-2200 College C
1710-2040 College D</p>
<p>rjko,
Come on. I have said plenty of good things about your school. In academic terms and student quality and what an undergrad degree can do you for post-graduation, I would place it on the same level with U North Carolina. In my book, that’s pretty darn good.</p>
<p>It’s yes or no Hawkette. It’s not that hard. </p>
<p>So your answer is no.</p>
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Michigan’s OOS enrollment has remained unchanged since that article was written. I have difficulty understanding why it is no longer relevant, unless the taxpayers in question joined hands with the OOS students and sang “Kumbaya” in the intervening years.</p>
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*As schools like Michigan struggle to make up falling state contributions, however, fewer students like Stadt are getting slots in entering classes. Out-of-state students pay $33,000 in tuition at Michigan nearly three times the amount that residents bring in and those extra dollars are needed more than ever. Non-residents now make up 37% of undergraduates at the university; add graduate students and nearly half the universitys students comes from out-of-state. A leading public university like University of California at Berkeley, by contrast, only pulls 8% of its undergraduates from outside California.</p>
<p>The temptation for Michigan to substantially increase its revenue by accepting more non-residents who are eager to attend has to be hard to resist. While speculating what would happen if the university moved to a private, market-based system, current president Mary Sue Coleman wrote in 2005 that historically two-thirds of our applications have been from national or international students, and yet about two-thirds of our enrolled students have been from Michigan.*</p>
<p>[Cash-Strapped</a> State Schools Being Forced to Privatize - TIME](<a href=“http://www.time.com/time/business/article/0,8599,1893286,00.html?iid=perma_share]Cash-Strapped”>http://www.time.com/time/business/article/0,8599,1893286,00.html?iid=perma_share)</p>
<p>Hawkette, which school has a stronger student body …</p>
<p>A, B, neither, or can’t tell.</p>
<p>Average SAT scores 25%-75%</p>
<p>A) 1830-2130
B) 1780- 2070</p>
<p>Which school has the stronger student body using ACT scores?</p>
<p>A) average scores 27-31
B) average ACT scores 25-30</p>
<p>It is not relevant IB because even though some legislators didn’t like the fact 11 years ago that a high percentage of UG students at Michigan were OOS, they still are today. Therefore, nothing has changed in 11 years and any debate limiting OOS state enrollment at Michigan never amounted to anything other than a bunch of chatter.</p>
<p>hawkette only likes factual information that prove her biased agendas. I’ll answer your question dstark. School A has a stronger student body than School B. Now you tell me, which school is School A and which is School B?</p>
<p>Frankly, neither is statistically impressive or reflective of an elite student body. </p>
<p>In both cases, I’d like to know the detail of each test and the depth of the student body’s performance, so I’d be looking at the % at 700+ and 600+ on CR and Math and for those at 30+ on the SAT. </p>
<p>Assuming it is a representative percentage of the student body and that the schools are roughly similar in type (eg, non-specialty national university), I would interpret the SAT comparison as a stretch slightly favoring A. I would interpret the ACT as a win for A.</p>
<p>Ok. So is a person with a SAT score of 1980 smarter than a person with a SAT score of 1930?</p>
<p>Is a person with an ACT score of 29 smarter than a person with a score of 27?</p>
<p>Wow. I just checked how much it cost to attend U of M in-state. $11,111/year is a ton, especially considering OSU is about $8,500 and UNC is about $6,000. Miami University, where I’ll likely be attending, is $12,000/ year in-state, but then again, all of Ohio’s public schools are way overpriced compared to other states.</p>
<p>Anyways, so I’m taking back a lot of the bad things that I said about UNC on the previous page, since I didn’t realize U of M was so ridiculous for in-staters. Again, I can understand because it is Michigan’s only elite school (although Kalamazoo is nice…), but the price is still high for the school when compared to a comprable institution like UNC. I guess you get what you pay for…</p>
<p>Critical Reading
590-690 U North Carolina
580-690 U Michigan
620-730 Berkeley</p>
<p>Math
620-700 U North Carolina
640-740 U Michigan
650-770 Berkeley</p>
<p>Writing
590-690 U North Carolina
590-700 U Michigan
620-730 Berkeley </p>
<p>Total
1800-2080 U North Carolina
1810-2130 U Michigan
1890-2230 Berkeley - Looks significant to me.</p>
<p>Plus 99% of Berkeley students were in the top 10% in their high school.</p>
<p>Again, UNC is a fine school, but it does not have the academic excellence and academic tradition that Michigan has, let alone Berkeley. It does not have a top 10 law school, med school and business school. Berkeley’s professional programs are all in the top 8. It’s engineering program is top 2, or equal to Stanford’s. Michigan has also a top law school, top med school and top business school. Ross is a core school of McKinsey and other big bracket firms. Both are also very prestigious schools internationally. We can’t say the same thing for UNC. UNC’s nearest UC rival is UCSD.</p>
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<p>If this is true, why haven’t UCB and and UM produced the amount of Rhodes Scholars that UNC has?</p>
<p>^if you’re using that logic, then why did Antioch college, a small, radical (I don’t use that term lightly, either), LAC that produced 7 MacArthur fellows, more than any other university in the nation besides Yale and Stanford, just recently go bankrupt and close? Under your logic, it should be the best LAC in the nation.</p>
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<p>I’m not sure. What I do know is that we are talking about 3 universities here, and none of them are in danger of going bankrupt and closing. And I think it is a bit naive to say that a university that has been around longer and produced more of the world’s top scholars than the other two has any less of an academic tradition.</p>
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<p>LoL . . . </p>
<p>How’s Rhodes an indication of being a superior school? </p>
<p>There are more Michgan grads winning Fulbright. Is Michigan superior to HYPSM overall?</p>
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<p>This statement in borne out of paranoia. Do you really think Michigan and Cal will close down or go bankrupt anytime in the future? </p>
<p>Another LoL…</p>
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<p>Rhodes Scholarships are pretty much the most prestigious scholarships that one can get. Frankly, UNC has a tradition of creating more of the world’s most prestigious scholars than either UM or UCB. It doesn’t make either UM or UCB inferior, but it does poke holes in your statement that UNC’s academic tradition somehow doesn’t stack up when compared to UM and UCB. UNC was the nation’s first public university to open its doors to students, and has been one our most prestigious public universities for centuries. It certainly lacks little when it comes to academic tradition.</p>
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<p>Really? Is your reading comprehension that bad? What part of “NONE are in danger of closing” did you not understand?</p>
<p>^RML, no matter how you put it, cal is going to suffer a blow due to arnold’s ridiculous way of dealing with the state’s economy.</p>
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<p>It will, most certainly. But will Cal go down with it that it wouldn’t be able to recover? That’s not likely the case going to be. Cal will weather the crises. Maybe Cal will accept fewer students when the crises will hit it to the max, but it will not close down. Only paranoid people think that it will.</p>