<p>I am starting my own club, haha!</p>
<p>Look, people always cry about how people who dont do well on tests get unfairly respresented on the SAT. I say they dont get unfairly represented, but the SAT actually reveals their weaknesses.</p>
<p>If your a BAD TEST TAKER, YOU WILL NOT SUCEED IN COLLEGE.</p>
<p>Since college is 50% papers and 50% tests, failing all the tests because "OH NOES I HATE STRESSS!!!!!" is going to screw you over. Just deal with it. The SAT correctly meausres this test-taking ability and thus is an accurate and useful college-admissions tool.</p>
<p>That's BS RootBeer. I have said this story a couple times alread on CC but here it is again. My older brother is a pretty smart guy, got like a 1540 on his SAt (out of 1600 in like 1998) and went to Oregon State on a full ride, graduated with honors got his masters and is making 6 figures as a computer engineer now. He has one friend who got an 1050 and also got into Oregon State (because he had a very high gpa) he graduated summa cum laude ( or whatever that highest honors thingy is) in the top 1% of his class and also got a great job, got into Berkeley for his graduate school and is also duing very well for himself (he did decent on the GRE). And the final one of my brothers friends dropped out of high school senior (don't remember his SAts), got employed by Intel and in 3 years, owned his own department in Intel and was a millionaire without his high school diploma. I still remember when my brother told me about the time he came to visit my brother and his friend at OSU in his new mercedes benz, and everyone was jealous. </p>
<p>But anyways, that's just a story to tell you that high school doesn't mean anything and neither does the SATs. My brother had the highest SAT score but is making the least amount of money (even though it is 6 figures, and did worse in college)</p>
<p>^romangypsy</p>
<p>welll thats just a great solution. All of you people trapped in poor school districts are dumb! Why don't you just move into a richer school district? Poverty would cease to exist if you weren't so darn lazy, blaming everything on the system and taking our welfare!</p>
<p>/sarcasm</p>
<p>Sheed, success and test-taking ability are almost completely unrelated. The SAT test your abstract reasoning skills in general, your mathematic abilities, your reading comprehension, your vocabulary, and your grasp of good writing principles. I think it does a pretty good job of that (though the ACT is better). It's not intended to measure your business sense, your creativity, your artistic talent, your athletic ability, your morality, or anything that's not reading, writing, and math. </p>
<p>The SAT is a pretty valid measure of exactly what it's supposed to measure. And the skills it tests are important skills to have in college, so it's reasonable for schools to look at the SAT to see if the applicant has those skills. A student will also need good study habits and some creativity to succeed in college, and the SAT admittedly doesn't measure that, but that's what GPAs, class ranks, essays, and extracurriculars are for. It's a limited test to be sure, but saying it's not useful at all is simply dishonest.</p>
<p>Sheed, RootBeerCaesar wasn't saying that you won't succeed in life if you can't take the SAT, he's saying that you won't succeed in an Ivy League university surrounded by people who CAN take tests. That is completely, almost undeniably true, and besides, if you think that what school you go to doesn't affect your success later on, why do you care what school you go to in the first place?</p>
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SAT = Scholastic Aptitude Test
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That is no longer what it stands for. </p>
<p>The SAT tests your ability to take a standardized test. I'm in colleges, and I've taken a grand total of zero standardized tests.</p>
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Some people don't sleep well. Therefore, we should eliminate sleep.</p>
<p>Some people don't have cars/rides. Therefore, we should eliminate extracurriculars.</p>
<p>Some people don't have supportive families. Therefore, we should eliminate family.
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<p>False analogy. We aren't trying to measure the accuracy of our sleeping.</p>
<p>I'll second RBC, but I'm all for extra time for people that have true learning disabilities such as dyslexia. Colleges all over the country give extra time one tests- why shouldn't the SAT?</p>
<p>However, the commonality of extra time on the SAT is ridiculous... I know several people get it (without a ld) just because they fail under stress...</p>
<p>(For the record, I do not get extra time on the SAT and I'm also anti-SAT (because I'm in favor of the ACT)).</p>
<p>Whoever mentioned that the problem lies in SAT preparation has a point. There are so many people who simply cannot afford a pile of prep books, prep classes, private tutors, multiple retakes, etc. I know a girl who was unable to take the SATs until now because her parents were unsupportive of her endeavors. Unfortunately, she also has not had a lot of prep or outside help due to said circumstance. Does that mean she's less intelligent than I am? Of course not. She just didn't have the opportunities I did. And even with me, I was unable to pay for prep classes and tutors, just some books.</p>
<p>However, that's just life. Everyone who's complaining about how unfair life is, why are you caring? You've acknowledged the fact, now why don't you -do- something about it instead of blaming the SATs or other accepted admisions factors? Life isn't going to be fair - the ones who will succeed are those who can overcome that unfairness. It's even mentioned on suggestions for college essays - overcoming hardships despite your disadvantages.</p>
<p>And -that- is why someone who goes to a poorly-performing local public school with slightly lower scores can still get into an Ivy or equivalent while someone who has triple-800's and a bunch of ECs is reject.</p>
<p>UGH! i think that getting into IVYs are wayy too overrated in the first place. it's not hard to get straight A's and 2400's, if you work hard (evenj if you're stupid). and if you get straight A's and 2400's, or any score remotely close, there's a good chance you'll get into an ivy or an equally-good school. this is all too tiring to think about, so don't think about it and go study =)</p>