The Last 2 Years of Med School

<p>Hey there guys,</p>

<p>I had a question about how long we'd actually be "studying" hard if we enter a combined 7-8 year program this fall.</p>

<p>I heard that the last two years of medical school are doing "rotations." So my question is this: do we really only study in med school for the first two years? So in reality, are we only in a classroom for our postsecondary careers for about 5-6 years? Then we do 2 years of rotations, and about 4 years residency.</p>

<p>Are the 2 years of rotations, then residency easier than the first 5-6 years of hitting the books? It seems like it would be. I know we'll still have to work hard with long hours. But since I'm not the greatest at absorbing information from a textbook, I think it would be less stressful/consuming for me to "work" hard than "study" hard. </p>

<p>Please give me your thoughts. Thanks!</p>

<p>I think we still get graded on our rotations because they want to see how well we can work in the field. We're still going to be a lot of pressure but not as much as the first two years. And residency is about 80 hours a week with loads of coffee.</p>

<p>No, no, no... It's all uphill from here. Each year is harder than the one before. In rotations you'll still have tests, etc.
Also, if you have doubts about your own study habits/abilities, then please don't do a BA/MD program. Stick with the regular 4 years of undergrad to make sure you know what you're getting into. Medical school is basically 4 years of hell.</p>

<p>hehe....that why I'm taking 8 yrs BA-MD route. I dont want to rush into medical school. If I finish my undergraduate early, I find something to do. We should say med school and residency are not easy life.</p>

<p>ya i would say the hard part comes when you are actually in the field practicing medicine because "YOU ARE A DOCTOR" and an individual places his trust in you and hoping that the med student is competent and can potentially save a life.</p>

<p>guju geek just curious wut combined med programs did u get into</p>

<p>Well since you asked...</p>

<p>I've gotten into BU's and Villanova's program.</p>

<p>I'm still waiting on Rice (Well I still need to interview), Brown, Northwestern, and USC.</p>

<p>I got rejected from interviews for the Baylor/Baylor program, Rochester, Case, and University of Miami.</p>

<p>hydrogen3k is correct. It's all uphill from here. Each year of medical school builds onto the previous one, and unlike your previous years of schooling, you will be expected to actively apply a lot of your knowledge - meaning you will have to remember everything. (Everything is an exaggeration, probably more like 99%) The board exams are taken in three sections throughout a multi-year period, and true, the later exams test your clinical skills instead of your book knowledge, but that does NOT make it easier! And as TorCan said, practicing on your own will be even greater pressure because if you screw up, the consequences will be quite different from screwing up one test in a classroom...</p>

<p>What's is Villanova's program?</p>

<p>1.) While medical school is reputed to get harder and harder as time goes on, it also gets more and more fun. Generally the students I talked to say that the second year of medical school is the one that they mind the most, while third year is brutal but much more interesting. Some schools have quite relaxed fourth years.</p>

<p>Residency, of course, is another animal.</p>

<p>2.) You do receive grades during your third and fourth years and your third year grades are by far the most important ones for residency matching purposes.</p>

<p>These grades are based partly on subjective factors -- how well you take orders, get along with nurses, interact with patients. They're based partly on attendings asking you questions as you go along. They're based partly on "shelf" exams that you take at the end of each rotation.</p>

<p>3.) You read up on patients as you go, learning about their diseases and such. But when people tell you they "study" during their third year, they usually mean that they are studying for shelf exams.</p>

<p>I'm about to say something and want to clarify that I'm not very sure it's true. It's based on what I've heard in my anecdotal interactions with third-year medical students at a variety of schools. From what I've seen, it tends to be the case that medical students at highly selective medical schools tend not to study during their third year, while students at less-selective medical schools tend to do so a great deal.</p>

<p>This does actually make sense: shelf exams are largely based on old board exams, and selective medical schools tend to have students who scored very well on those already. So to them, this is all stuff they've already learned.</p>

<p>4.) While I'm pretty sure residencies do not give grades, there is certainly an evaluation mechanism in place. This is probably reflected in letters of recommendation.</p>

<p>5.) Steps II and III include, I believe, book learning as well as clinical skills. For reasons other than this, however, they are much easier. For one thing, Steps II and III are basically pass/fail. As long as you pass them (a ridiculously low score for US Allopathic schools), nobody cares*, since you've already matched into a residency for Step II. Step I, however, is the equivalent of your SAT score: the higher the better, and this is a very important way by which residencies evaluate you.</p>

<p>*There are exceptions. Some students can opt to take Step II early in an effort to let residencies see their scores.</p>

<p>6.) I'd say 99% is still a significant exaggeration. Knowing what to do and knowing why you do it are very different things, and it's unlikely that anybody really retains all the whys for everything they've learned. I hesitate to give you a percentage, but it's certainly lower than 99%. I suppose, though, this depends on how well you learn/are taught during your first two years.</p>

<p>I know, 99% was a joke, but that's a well-written post, bluedevilmike</p>

<p>You guys scared me fore a while. But the more recent posts make me feel better :).</p>