<p>OH god..oboe..that ****es me off but osmetimes u just have to be the better person..who the fuq are these people to tell us what "unamerican" is..pSH!...plus btw pixie..theres no comparing lincoln and bush..i guess u get that and im sitlling witing to see how much he donates..hi obie:)!</p>
<p>Pixie actually brings up a good point in comparing Lincoln to Bush...all you liberals hate Bush because he drew us into a war you don't agree with....</p>
<p>I wonder how you would feel if you lived in 1861 and were drafted to fight against the Confederates...you'd probably be out on the streets, complaining against THAT war too because "uniting the nation" is also not justification for a war. </p>
<p>What's wrong with liberals is that they're out of touch with the majority of Americans. You state these things that you take as "given" aka "Bush is bad, everyone knows it," "bush cheated in the election," "the war in Iraq is unjustified" etc...the majority of Americans myself included DON'T agree with you on these things. When you're stuck in the elite liberal suburbs of California and the Northeast and all you do is discuss the same exact opinions without caring about opposite views, you're damn right going to alienate half the country. I'm from New York and i know that my parents' votes for Bush didn't do anything, but I'm glad that the South and Midwest (haha i still love looking at that red map) came through for the right leader.</p>
<p>All of you liberals like to bash America - "we're not the land of opportunity, the government has to help everyone." You'd rather associate with Europe and a United Nations that does nothing rather than with your own country which is the driving force behind ALL international efforts. Europe likes to talk but when it comes time to act, they call on the US. And then they don't even want to support us when we need help. THIS is the kind of place you like? I'm ****ed of at Clinton for taking a "vacation" - somebody expressed this perfectly - for 8 years, not doing anything to address the growing threat of terrorism and just being Europe's puppet. It's good that we finally have a leader who is willing to act. Bush went to the UN, presented his case. They chose not to help us. Well, we're "building the canal" while they debate - but you guys probably hate Teddy Roosevelt too.</p>
<p>Warning this is kinda long hehe</p>
<p>Believe it or not, it wasn't just rednecks who voted for Bush
By Mark Steyn
(Filed: 07/11/2004)</p>
<p>The big question after Tuesday was: will it just be more of the same in
George W Bush's second term, or will there be a change of tone? And
apparently it's the latter. The great European thinkers have decided
that
instead of doing another four years of lame Bush-is-a-moron cracks
they're
going to do four years of lame Americans-are-morons cracks.
Inaugurating
the new second-term outreach was Brian Reade in the Daily Mirror, who
attributed the President's victory to: "The self-righteous, gun-totin',
military-lovin', sister-marryin', abortion-hatin', gay-loathin',
foreigner-despisin', non-passport-ownin' rednecks, who believe God gave
America the biggest dick in the world so it could urinate on the rest
of us
and make their land 'free and strong'."</p>
<p>Well, that's certainly why I supported Bush, but I'm not sure it
entirely
accounts for the other 59,459,765. Forty five per cent of Hispanics
voted
for the President, as did 25 per cent of Jews, and 23 per cent of gays.
And
this coalition of common-or-garden rednecks, Hispanic rednecks,
sinister
Zionist rednecks, and lesbian rednecks who enjoy hitting on their
gay-loathin' sisters expanded its share of the vote across the entire
country - not just in the Bush states but in the Kerry states, too.</p>
<p>In all but six states, the Republican vote went up: the urinating
rednecks
have increased their number not just in Texas and Mississippi but in
Massachusetts and California, both of which have Republican governors.
You
can drive from coast to coast across the middle of the country and
never
pass through a single county that voted for John Kerry: it's one
continuous
cascade of self-righteous urine from sea to shining sea. States that
were
swing states in 2000 - West Virginia, Arkansas - are now solidly
Republican, and once solidly Democrat states - Iowa, Wisconsin - are
now
swingers. The redneck states push hard up against the Canadian border,
where if your neck's red it's frostbite. Bush's incontinent rednecks
are
everywhere: they're so numerous they're running out of sisters to bunk
up with.</p>
<p>Who exactly is being self-righteous here? In Britain and Europe, there
seem
to be two principal strains of Bush-loathing. First, the guys who say,
if
you disagree with me, you must be an idiot - as in the Mirror headline
"How
can 59,054,087 people be so DUMB?" Second, the guys who say, if you
disagree with me, you must be a Nazi - as in Oliver James, who told The
Guardian: "I was too depressed to even speak this morning. I thought of
my
late mother, who read Mein Kampf when it came out in the 1930s [sic]
and
thought, 'Why doesn't anyone see where this is leading?' "</p>
<p>Mr James is a clinical psychologist.</p>
<p>If smug Europeans are going to coast on moron-Fascist sneers
indefinitely,
they'll be dooming themselves to ever more depressing mornings-after in
the
2006 midterms, the 2008 presidential election, 2010, and beyond:
America's
resistance to the conventional wisdom of the rest of the developed
world is
likely to intensify in the years ahead. This widening gap is already a
point of pride to the likes of B J Kelly of Killiney, who made the
following observation on Friday's letters page in The Irish Times:
"Here in
the EU we objected recently to high office for a man who professed the
belief that abortion and gay marriages are essentially evil. Over in
the US
such an outlook could have won him the presidency."</p>
<p>I'm not sure who he means by "we". As with most decisions taken in the
corridors of Europower, the views of Killiney and Knokke and Krakow
didn't
come into it one way or the other. B J Kelly is referring to Rocco
Buttiglione, the mooted European commissioner whose views on
homosexuality,
single parenthood, etc would have been utterly unremarkable for an
Italian
Catholic 30 years ago. Now Europe's secular elite has decided they're
beyond the pale and such a man should have no place in public life. And
B J
Kelly sees this as evidence of how much more enlightened Europe is than
America.</p>
<p>That's fine. But what happens if the European elite should decide a
whole
lot of other stuff is beyond the pale, too, some of it that B J Kelly
is
quite partial to? In affirming the traditional definition of marriage
in 11
state referenda, from darkest Mississippi to progressive enlightened
Kerry-supporting Oregon, the American people were not expressing their
"gay-loathin' ", so much as declining to go the Kelly route and have
their
betters tell them what they can think. They're not going to have
marriage
redefined by four Massachusetts judges and a couple of activist mayors.
That doesn't make them Bush theo-zombies marching in lockstep to the
gay
lynching, just freeborn citizens asserting their right to dissent from
today's established church - the stifling coercive theology of
political
correctness enforced by a secular episcopate.</p>
<p>As Americans were voting on marriage and marijuana and other matters,
the
Rotterdam police were destroying a mural by Chris Ripke that he'd
created
to express his disgust at the murder of Theo van Gogh by Islamist
crazies.
Ripke's painting showed an angel and the words "Thou Shalt Not Kill".
Unfortunately, his workshop is next to a mosque, and the imam
complained
that the mural was "racist", so the cops arrived, destroyed it,
arrested
the television journalists filming it and wiped their tape. Maybe that
would ring a bell with Oliver James's mum.</p>
<p>The restrictions on expression that B J Kelly sees as evidence of
European
enlightenment are regarded as profoundly unhealthy by most Americans.
When
one examines Brian Reade's anatomy of redneck disfigurements -
"gun-totin',
military-lovin', abortion-hatin' " - most of them are about the will to
survive, as individuals and as a society. Americans tote guns because
they're assertive citizens, not docile subjects of a permanent
governing
class. They love their military because they think there's something
contemptible about Europeans preening and posing as a great power when
they
can't even stop some nickel'n'dime Balkan genital-severers piling up
hundreds of thousands of corpses on their borders.</p>
<p>And, if Americans do "hate abortion", is Mr Reade saying he loves it?
It's
at least partially responsible for the collapsed birthrates of
post-Christian Europe. However superior the EU is to the US, it will
only
last as long as Mr Reade's generation: the design flaw of the radical
secular welfare state is that it depends on a traditionally religious
society birthrate to sustain it. True, you can't be a redneck in Spain
or
Italy: when the birthrates are 1.1 and 1.2 children per couple, there
are
no sisters to shag.</p>
<p>What was revealing about this election campaign was how little the
condescending Europeans understand even about the side in American
politics
they purport to agree with - witness The Guardian's disastrous
intervention
in Clark County. Simon Schama last week week defined the Bush/Kerry
divide
as "Godly America" and "Worldly America", hailing the latter as
"pragmatic,
practical, rational and sceptical". That's exactly the wrong way round:
it's Godly America that is rational and sceptical - especially of
Euro-delusions. Uncowed by Islamists, undeferential to government,
unshrivelled in its birthrates, Bush's redneck America is a more
reliable
long-term bet. Europe's media would do their readers a service if they
stopped condescending to it.</p>
<p>liberal all the way here... right down to my 'i don't sleep with republicans' pin. i love that pin... also, whats with the republicans ruining the karma on this thread? and the statement about bush going to the UN for help is just completely wrong. completely.</p>
<p>Honestly, patriotism does not mean you have to agree with the government on every issue, but if you think that the EU is superior to your own country, you really should leave because you're going to be unhappy here for the next several years...especially after John McCain wins in 2008...its a Republican takeover now people...god i love it.</p>
<p>Ah the Conservative thread lost steam, so we're shifting the spirit of debate over to your side.</p>
<p>"Bush? Yeah i think he is an extremely good leader. He has lots of common sense."</p>
<p>hahaha, funny... is common sense defined as reading 'my friend the goat' to an elementary class for more than 10 minutes after being alerted that a plane had crashed into the world trade center? cuz our friend bush did it. i don't think thats very much sense at all.</p>
<p>you sound like you've been brainwashed by Michael Moore ---so you're saying you would have rather freaked out the kids that were there? </p>
<p>or in Kerry's terms..."make sure we take the global test"</p>
<p>haha</p>
<p>john mcain isnt so bad. i dont think ppl should be opposed to republicans just bc theyre republicans or vice versa, if someone is a good leader, thats all that should matter.</p>
<p>I agree...what he should have done was ordered any plane within Manhattan and Washington D.C. air space to be shot down after that first tower was hit...haha, i would love to see what you liberals would have to say about that...</p>
<p>One way or another, you got it all planned out...there is always an issue for you go to ur local rally and scream your lungs out</p>
<p>no, pixie, im not brainwashed by michael moore. bush doesnt always do the right thing,and you dont always have to agree with him. all i know is that when we were flipping out in new york with people jumping out of the windows of the world trade center, i would have felt better knowing that the president got up and excused himself immediately rather than sitting there like a complete idiot waiting for someone to tell him what to do.</p>
<p>Btw...don't be an idiot...liberals know that McCain will win so they're prepping themselves by saying "Oh he's not that bad...he's moderate."</p>
<p>John McCain is as conservative as any other Republican...and he will continue what Bush started.</p>
<p>why can't i like john mccain? this is absurd. im a democrat and i like mccain. i think he would make a good leader. he IS more moderate than many other republicans. dont be ridiculous.</p>
<p>Ok film...what should Bush have done...besides shooting down those planes, what possible thing could he have done...he would have gotten up, he would have left the room...he would have panicked...that would have made you feel better? Suddenly, everything would have been different?</p>
<p>anyway..the election was close when it came to popular votes i believ so please dont say majority likes its a huge number and many of the people who voted..voted based on social issues anyone..bush is evil he got all the religious people who were in fact negatively affected by his economic policies to vote for him because he was in favor of banning gay/lesbian marriage and abortion..so w/e..stupid tricks..BIG JAKE..btw im not surrounded by only liberals..god dam it..most or all of my teachers..the ones im really close with are soo conservative..they are the biggest republicans..anyway..i do hear their views..i dont agree with..i think their logic is stupid..so far..i havent..Bush was always better?..why?..because kerry is a flip flopper..because of this or that..never have i heard a legitimate reason why Bush is good or why this crap in riaq is good and or how we are fightin terrorism..yeah yeah u guys constantly say..liberals are always out to attack Bush but yet u guys havent defended him well at all..I want to hear it..I'm open to your thoughts and i will totally take into consideration ..</p>
<p>Yeah like film and i discussed in another thread..i love how the midwest and south try to claim bush is doing an awesome job with fightin terrorism but their ass will never be affected..NJ..the state that feared terrorism the most didnt even vote red..hmm..so what does that say?..</p>
<p>he should have taken action. thats the difference between a good and a bad leader. even if he couldnt have done anything, id rather watch him figure out what was going on in new york rather than reading a book to some toddlers. this is so stupid, it doesnt matter if youre a demorat or a repiblican, that matter should be as clear as day to ANYONE.</p>
<p>You and I live in the city where we saw firsthand foreign terrorists attack our country and kill innocent civilians....when i watch September 11, it makes me angry..and i feel glad that we have a leader who is showing the rest of the world that this is no longer the Clinton Administration and we are no longer sitting by and getting screwed...those terrorists really didn't count on Bush being our President...</p>
<p>Bigjake, i don't agree with: John McCain is as conservative as any other Republican...and he will continue what Bush started.</p>
<p>AHH no he isn't..he's too moderate, and he doesn't hold strong convictions...at least not vocally. He's too worried about "being friends with everyone" and he'll be nice just so he can win. He also puts me to sleep.</p>
<p>Bush isn't the greatest speaker in the world, but he has tons more charisma than McCain and he inspires me. </p>
<p>I want Condi Rice to run for President...but she'd rather be head of the National Football League (LoL yup, she's a football fanatic, and i dunno if she wants to be Preso f the U.S.) I also like Senate Maj. leader Bill Frist.</p>
<p>whatever, i'm not letting fear influence my politics like you are. and your point about the united nations before, that was wrong.</p>
<p>yeah see..why do we have to stick to one political party..i hate the two political party system..why can film like mc cain?..hmm..lets not talk about the "global test"..we have the biggest liar for a vice president....claiming hes never seen edwards in his life..yikes..and the whole "exxxaaagerration" deal..yikes..</p>