<p>What Ivy do you think is the most conservative? I have been hearing that Dartmouth/Yale is the most conservative and that Brown is the most liberal?</p>
<p>Maybe Princeton’s eating clubs</p>
<p>I would think Yale would one of the top 2 or 3 liberal ivies</p>
<p>as for conservative ivies, i’m not sure… i always thought they’re all at least moderate, if not more liberal than conservative</p>
<p>^ Definitely.</p>
<p>And as for the professors…Let’s just say a lot of present academia was gettin’ Hiiiggghhhh in the 60s and 70s.</p>
<p>Honestly no such thing as a conservative Ivy. 20 years ago there were real differences. Now the difference between the most liberal and conservative is almost moot.</p>
<p>I’d vote for Dartmouth being more “conservative” than the other Ivies. Yale conservative? Surely you jest!</p>
<p>IMO, I think there is a positive correlation between campus activism and liberalism. You may want to seek out some poll data on the number of Ivy students who voted last year and who they voted for, although the latter is pretty much a no-brainer. Again, IMO, the schools with the highest voter activism would likely be the most liberal. Just my two cents.</p>
<p>I just don’t get the Dartmouth conservative thing. Its a myth lingering from the 80s. 92% of campus voted for Obama according to an unofficial poll. In 2000 77% voted for Gore or Nadar. We are talking about liberal vs. super liberal.</p>
<p>I would say that Yale has both the most pervasive and vocal liberal group of students, but is also tied for the strongest (albeit small) conservative group with Princeton. </p>
<p>Some of the absolute preppiest, most conservative kids I know go to Yale. It’s something about that whole Skull and Bones, Bush Sr. and Jr., NE Yacht club mystique…</p>
<p>lol, collegehopefull’s response made me laugh. </p>
<p>"We are talking about liberal vs. super liberal. " agreed.</p>
<p>I mean, seriously Yale is a school that justifies a member of the Taliban being allowed to study in a non degree program to ‘educate’ him…But doesn’t allow the best and brightest of Yale to participate in ROTC…</p>
<p>Trying to educate a member of the Taliban vs. Supporting changes being made in ROTC/The Military by the introduction of a cross section of American society instead of just one social strata…</p>
<p>HMMMMMMMmmmmmmmmmmm? This one’s a chin scratcher. </p>
<p>But Seriously…For God, Country, and Yale. GO BULLDOGS!</p>
<p>I mean, seriously Yale is a school that justifies a member of the Taliban being allowed to study in a non degree program to ‘educate’ him…But doesn’t allow the best and brightest of Yale to participate in ROTC…</p>
<p>Trying to educate a member of the Taliban vs. Supporting changes being made in ROTC/The Military by the introduction of a cross section of American society instead of just one social strata…</p>
<p>HMMMMMMMmmmmmmmmmmm? This one’s a chin scratcher. </p>
<p>But Seriously…For God, Country, and Yale. GO BULLDOGS!</p>
<p>^Ooof! Willfully ignorant posts like the one above really get my goat.</p>
<p>The “member of the Taliban” who was studying at Yale had worked for the Taliban when he was 17 and 18. He was an assistant to the person who was effectively their Foreign Minister at the time, and who was a “liberal” cleric increasingly on the outs with Mullah Omar. The kid was working for him not because of his extraordinary fundamentalist zeal, but because he was basically the smartest kid in the country, and had taught himself good English. He later taught himself calculus from a book while living in a refugee camp. He did not fight in 2001, but left instead. His tuition and costs at Yale were underwritten personally by some alumni who had gotten to know him when they were working as journalists and filmmakers in pre-2001 Afghanistan.</p>
<p>I was very proud that Yale had found a place for him, and furious when it bowed to the pressure of the howler monkeys on right-wing talk radio to sever its connection. That’s the kind of moronic thinking that gave us all the foreign policy triumphs of the Bush Administration: Pick a label (from a choice of two), and pronounce a snap judgment. That’s the opposite of what Yale should stand for.</p>
<p>Re ROTC: I am confident that Yale students are allowed to (and do) participate in ROTC. ROTC is not permitted to use Yale facilities because ROTC excludes a significant portion of the student body from eligibility for participation.</p>
<p>Gahhh, Double posts.</p>
<p>Yeah, I’m actually pretty familiar with his life story. My family is related to one that lived in Afghanistan. Mr. Hashemi was in high demand because he’s a Pashtun that is fluent in Urdu (Dari and Pashto is the norm, Urdu/Uzbek are rarer) - the only other notable person like him was Sheik Ahmad Massoud (Who fought bravely AGAINST the Taliban AND the USSR)</p>
<p>The Taliban used people like Rahmatullah Hashemi to persecute the non Muslim Afghanis/non Taliban Supporting Muslims in the 90s. It’s not like the country of Afghanistan was completely united when the Soviets were thrown out; I would ask you to understand how infuriating it is for someone who will never know his cousins because they displeased a murderous regime.
There used to be plenty non Muslims/Non Taliban Supporting Pashtun/Balochi/Uzbek peoples in Afghanistan; they were either all murdered, or fled to Europe and the US</p>
<p>I’m sure Rahmatullah was COMPLETELY innocent in all of this, he was just a kid that worked with the Taliban. Right?</p>
<p>I support 100% the rights of LBGT Americans. I do not agree with the military’s discrimination against non-heterosexuals.</p>
<p>The ONLY way that the military in this country will represent the ideals of the American people is if a cross section of the American people can serve. There is no student better than a Yalie - there would be no finer officers/policy makers either.</p>
<p>An addition: </p>
<p>[Advocates</a> for Yale ROTC](<a href=“Account Suspended”>http://www.yalerotc.org/) <- Highly recommended reading.</p>
<p>[The</a> Harvard Crimson :: News :: Yale ROTC](<a href=“http://www.thecrimson.com/article.aspx?ref=166057]The”>http://www.thecrimson.com/article.aspx?ref=166057)</p>
<p>I’d like you to compare the number of Yale students that have participated in ROTC since ROTC was ejected from the campus during Vietnam to the number of students that participate in ROTC at Cornell or Princeton. </p>
<p>Also, the Clinton Era (So long as we’re tying personal opinions of presidents to things…) “Don’t ask Don’t tell” policy is Federal Law.
- The military doesn’t enact it, it only follows it. The only way for policy makers that come from the military, and our military itself, to embrace the values of our society is for our society, ALL OF OUR society, to be present in the military.
- The Solomon Amendment is also a federal law that allows the Sec.Defense to arrest any and all Federal grant flow to institutions that bar ROTC/recruiting on campus; Yale hasn’t had to deal with that yet, although they are denying students the opportunity to participate in ROTC.( On Campus )</p>
<p>Israel allows LGBT service, so does the UK and so does Germany.
Israel and Germany also happen to have a conscription policy enacted (Germany allows objectors to serve in a “peace corp” equivalent, Israel does not require the Druse or self identified Arab to serve), and the UK has a definite parallel of student military service to what the US once had.</p>
<p>I want civil rights for all Americans for the same reason that I want to serve, and for the same reason that I want to attend Yale - I want to give back to the country that has given me everything.
It just seems to me that Yale would be doing much, much more by allowing Yalies to make America stronger, than by ‘educating’ a man that endorsed the slaughter of minorities and the oppression of women.</p>