<p>But they do take classes. Read the whole page.</p>
<p>Remember, they have the power to hire who they need to teach them what they want.</p>
<p>And here's a sample course offering:</p>
<p>Brilliant Professors: Have not met any of them to say if their brilliant. Have You?
* I honestly dont think they can acquire that many professors with high credentials as their operating budget gives them little room to offer the compensation that many other 4 years schools can provide. *</p>
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<li><p>Going there does require a lot of work. I agree.</p></li>
<li><p>Why they fall begind when arriving at a 4 year school: well think about it this way. Lets just say I want to major in Biomedical enginneering. how many science courses will be able to be provided in a ranch in the middle of nowhere with a rediculously small operating budget which wont be able to offer many of the facilities to actively teach science and engineering related courses. Many of the courses that lead to my major will not be available for completion of my major and this goes for pretty much any mainstream major.
Therefore when u arrive at that 4 year school. sure u have learned a lot of responsability and values of hardwork but again many of ur courses have not completed and you are now a rising junior.</p></li>
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<p>ramses, I realize that, I'm just saying that the amount of classes are so limited due to how small the institution is.</p>
<p>Honestly, ive seen more classes offered at my small high school I attend with a graduating class of 50.</p>
<p>Ok so i will stop bashing this school for a while and say something nice:</p>
<p>Studentsreview. Believe it or not there are 6 reviews and all identical to eachother and talk wonders of the school.</p>
<p>at the end it got me thinking: Heres what I imagined. One day 6 students of the graduating class of around 15 said " hey, the rest of u guys go mow the lawn and plant some crops, while me and a few buddies will go onto studentsreview and write a few kick A$$ reviews of the school. Mayby we can get more ppl to wanna apply and lower the acc rate even more :D:D"</p>
<p>Great reviews.. should read them cuz I actually wanted to go there after reading them... but again, their identical so it got me thinking.</p>
<p>That was merely a sampling of possible courses. The point is the students decide what they will study. They fashion the program and hire the profs. They aren't missing or lacking anything because they can have any course of study they want. </p>
<p>I realize you had never heard of Deep Springs before but the school is quite old and it's always been spoken of in glowing, almost revered tones. And small and unusual doesn't mean lacking, look at Olin.(Arguably the best engineering school, changing the way engineering principles are taught)</p>
<p>"unregistered - Not knowing that Williams is a top LAC is NOT a big deal. Outside of CC you'd be surprised by how people don't know about the strong academics of schools with 600 people from rural Massachusetts. I wanted to go there for a while, no one in my area had ever heard of it (hence me not wanting to go there after a while). Acarta checked the name of 30 students and hadn't heard about many of the schools."</p>
<p>If she's using the fact that a few of the alumni went on to Williams to support her argument that Deep Springs must not be a very good school, she's not doing her or her case many favors.</p>
<p>thethoughtprocess,</p>
<p>i think brokeback experience has more life-changing effect than your classes at duke. ;)</p>
<p>haha, yeah, maybe...probably not the sorts of life-changes I'm trying to go through though. </p>
<p>ramses, the only thing I've really heard about Deep Springs in "glowing terms" is that it manages to send its kids to top Privates after completing two years.</p>
<p>The only thing better than being at a top private for 2 years is being at it for four years (and graduating on time, its pretty clear for most majors they can't finish all the relevant coursework, the choices just aren't there). I'd compare it more to an extremely prestigious program in between HS and college than a college in itself.</p>
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<p>What is this nonsense?</p>
<p>Are you two fools openly making fun of homosexuals and their life styles? I thought you two already have college education or on the verge of getting one hasnt your school taught anything about being humble and open-minded toward people that have different lifestyles than you?</p>
<p>Sam, TTP, you ought to feel deeply ashamed of yourself!!! I want full apologies from both of you NOW!!!</p>
<p>Yeah, check out another thread entitled schools with snobby students, you two might do better on that one!</p>
<p>Rabban, chill out. I'm pointing out that though Deep Springs might be more intense of an experience (living on a ranch with guys - the plot of Brokeback mountain - hence the obvious reference) than my own college experience, its definitely not an experience I would want.</p>
<p>And Rabban, LGBT's don't have lifestyles that are that distinct from straight people, let alone predominantly attending colleges such as Deep Springs. I was making fun of the fact that its not a co-ed program, and only has guys. The only thing that makes Deep Springs different from other non-co-ed programs is that its located on a ranch, isolated from the surrounding community. Brokeback mountain's plot is almost the same exact thing, I'd be surprised if the students at Deep Springs didn't joke about it. </p>
<p>And I don't think its snobby to not want to live on a ranch instead of attending a mainstream college, simply because of the lifestyle and not even because of the more limited course offerings.</p>
<p>Deep Springs is just another option, for other people, perhaps different from yourselves, that's really okay. I don't even mean that they are gay, I have no idea about that, just that they are interested in, or looking for, a different kind of college experience. There is really room for all of us.</p>
<p>allthosethings...yeah, its fairly obvious Deep Springs isn't for everyone. I don't think the average Harvard/Brown/Oxford student would want to mend fences and lasso cattle (I'm not actually sure if they do this, seems like ranch-life activities).</p>
<p>However, form a purely academic standpoint, going to Deep Springs seems to really limited what you can accomplish in terms of pursuing a 4-year degree program. Unless there is something I didn't notice after reading over the site. At the end of the day, talking all day about a neat topic with a group of your friends won't transfer into a macro Econ credit at a private.</p>
<p>You have it a bit wrong, kids turn down Harvard and other elites to attend Deep Springs. If you're applying, it's considered a notch above.(Not a booster program to help get you into the ivies)</p>
<p>I googled and found this Q&A from a Swattie who attended DS:</p>
<p>Please note he addresses the 'limitations', quality of profs and talks of a seamless fit when he transfered. If you Wikipedia Deep Springs you'll find economists, business owners, and scientists listed...doesn't really back up your claim that DS is useless for these majors.</p>
<p>Ramses, I'm saying its possible to major in Econ and Bio after transferring from Deep Springs, just not in 4 years. I don't think top privates would wave degree requirements. </p>
<p>"I transferred fairly seamlessly from DS to Swat with the help of highly coordinated recommendations from an academic, peer, and working community that knew me as well my own family"</p>
<p>Sounds like a standard thing to say, not exactly stressing how easy it is.</p>
<p>But that is my point, the people who choose to go there are not the average Harvard/Brown/Oxford student (most people are not) they are someone else with different values, strengths, etc. Maybe their goal is not even to go on to a 4 year program. Some of them seem to have that goal and pursue it though.<br>
I think the problem is that this whole thread has become about making the school something of a joke. Why? There are people who want to go there, there are people who do go there and clearly really like and value it. Is it because it is called "selective" and that just can't be right if it is not somewhere that you might want to be?
Frankly, as selective as Harvard is, I can assure you that if I were given admission with 100% tuition I would still really not want to go there. That is not the place or the kind of education I want (though my father would have a little problem with me passing up that whole tuition thing :-) Many of live like that all the time---selective does not equal the best for us.</p>
<p>allthosethings, I think you just agreed with me?</p>
<p>Also, my comments about the lifestyle there are purely opinion, and yeah I'm poking fun at Deep Springs, just like poking fun at Chicago for being too nerdy/intellectual and Dartmouth for being too beer=-fun oriented. This is just my point of view as someone who attends a more mainstream college. </p>
<p>However, from my reading on the website and available information, it really does seem that Deep Springs doesn't provide coursework needed to complete a standard BA program in 4 years.</p>
<p>When I hear things like "Deep Springs is awesome!" I have to question how awesome it really is, sort of an automatic response, as it seems too politically correct to assume that because something is different its better.</p>
<p>Thethoughtprocess being proud of being ignorant doesn't look good on anyone. You can keep insisting mainstream is the best stream but sooner or later you have to realize that all streams meander.(And that the world isn't flat:) )</p>
<p>I think you confuse 'coursework' with lecture hall/500 students/TA. Believe this or not, some people actually believe a 1:4 ratio where the prof is available 24/7 to be an ideal academic dream. Honors programs at top schools dangle far paler opportunities for students. Hey, Brown allows it's students to develop courses if they can find a willing prof and they brag about it. The kids at DS are doing everything mainstream kids do and more importantly, more. There's no hiding from the prof. The kids aren't taking all 100/200 level courses but instead spend two years learning at levels that would make a grad student weep.</p>
<p>I'm still puzzled why you would think these courses wouldn't transfer. Even if DS offered nothing in your major(which by it's nature couldn't happen as you being responsible for program and profs, wouldn't let that happen), you still would have all your humanities, beginning sciences, social sciences, language, beginning mathematics under your belt leaving you your last two years to focus on your major.</p>
<p>As for "Deep Springs is awesome!" Don't consider those statements, consider how for 90 some years DS students have been plucked for the most elite schools. Consider the number of big academic awards this school's students have won. Consider that not every school needs to fit your definition in order for it to be considered elite.</p>